I need to understand - why are FL's mom and ML's Stepmom still keeping the 'hate the other family" vibe? Stepmom is kissing as# of her husband - but he had a reconciliation - and she still didnt catch on.... FL's mom has no real reason, since she doesnt really support her husband... so what is her reason then... ?
One of the several factors that makes the writing of this story good is that, similar to Once Again, the main…
A very long drama is necessary to have so many characters in so many intertwined complex intergenrational stories... this drama has enough characters and plots to keep us busy for 25 more episodes...
While I wouldn't word it so strongly, I, too, was very annoyed that the grandmother tried to split the couple,…
Yes that's the point. Perhaps my description of randma and FL's mom sounded too harsh to you, but ... Grandma's husband leaving her with kids and FL's mom cancer are severe events that happen only bc of Grandma's and L mom's severe "karmic misconduct" - immaturity, negativity, etc.
FL's mom is ... all bottled up negative... and yeah PETTY SLIMEY MEAN!!! you are right, that word describes her... her splitting the beds..... NEVER expressing anything positive in her own family except kissing as% of Grandma, who is always too nice to her and in act an enabler... I dislike Grandma's character bc she hands onto staying in the past, laying down low, never moving forward. Well except some comments about dating anyone were progressive, but she did not apply it to her own family!!!
FL's mom is a major COWARD and HYPICRITE, she is totally fake, SHE IS NOT ACCOUNTABLE. Imo that is her major fault. And now it is all exposed...
So what will they do to heal... ? Covering up for FL-ML dating... hating the other family... having split beds... not talking with, lying to, and treating your husband like he is an imbecille... are all cancerous behavior so it all gotta go
FL dad will have to change. So far he was ... too often too much a man-child. He was supposed to to be able to properly stand up and challenge his slimey slipout wife and pin her down to transform - but he failed so far. Grandma is the keeper of toxicity. FL's mom and dad should have already divorced OR got together, not lived like two strangers / enemies. Since FL's mom moved back home, they SHOULD have gotten together already.
So now - she either lives or dies, and they either reconcile or continue to live in a maritall jail.
That' why we have remaining 25 episodes :) to clean up all this :)
Btw there is an AMAZING stand up to / challenge his love scene in daily First Man, I think ep .. 95? but it is not applicable here. But it provides good ideas. A very low IQ dumb and rather ... mean woman is loved by a very decent guy and they kinda go out and she loves him but not enough.... . She does some REALLY stupid stuff, backstabs him and dumps him - for his brother... !!!!!. Instead of goin to therapy to talk about it, instead of yelling at her, or even talking with her. he found her all beat up in one very sticky situation where she on her own became very clear she had to give up her games... and with literally 7 sentences and 2 short scenes. like 4 mins total, that immature woman transformed and they got together for good. The scene of her running away with him from her wedding, her veil still on her head, running away to marry him, ...
That parcitular 7 sentences adn 2 scenes will not work here but FL's dad has to stand up to his wife - and she needs to allow her self to be accountable - and before he does that, he has to be a better person hmself. He has to bring those 2 beds back together and initiate honest conversations and she has to allow it, and vice versa.
FL's dad has to stop being a flamable redneck who never listens nor pays attention - except to his patients, bc they only kiss his as@ and he is in a power role over them... they never talk back or ask for anything... .
FL's mom is too insecure and weak and cowardly.... and also coddled and spoiled and enabled by Grandma, so ... her husband will somehow have to not crush her eggshell ego and her false pride, yet really nail her down to surrender to loving each other
FL's dad has a plus to his character that he is not a snowflake, he is actually a very giving and strong man, and ... after a good talk and some thinking, he can logically conclude on his own to change. We have seen him do that. FL's mom also has ability to logically think about a problem and calmly offer a solution - but since she is a snowflake, SHE DOES NOT CHANGE her inner feeling, only her outside behavior stays icy polite. Like when she told Se Ri to go back to school bc educaton is the only thing that FL's mom has that SR does not have, so if she gets that, she wont be jealous anymore... BUT although she gave such deep generous transformational advice to SR. FL's mom still dislikes and despises SR and her family. FL's dad is different - when he is generous it is for real.
I think now is the only time to nail FL's mom down bc she is finally off her high horse and into the phase of WILLINGNESS to cooperate with the Universe ...
I have no idea how he/she will do it in sync with his/her character... I am curious what the script will make him/her do :)
I am sure she will first try to keep up the games, she already is doing that, not telling anyone ,,,, just giving a tv-news report to her own husband in their own bedroom on their 2 split beds... She despises her husband, she despises the neighbors, she is using Grandma as an indentured slave as@ kisser.... FL's mom is still pretending to be ah so allmighty ... and her husband too!!!! how he treated after was worse then he would treat his patient!!!!
BUT THE CANCER HELL IS GONNA START SOON SO SHE SHOULD BE SOFTENING ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY BE WILLING AND ABLE TO HAVE REAL CONVERSATIONS :) and her husband should have an easier time breaking her walls and helping her set herself free - and vice versa. That guy is gonna have to become super caring in all daily details
That' why we have remaining 25 episodes :) to clean up all this :)
Our Universe had the potential to become one of the best but got ruined by many flaws, major one I feel is the…
Overall rating is artificially too high to protect ML and Baby actors from their resume being too damaged bc the FL actress and script are terrible.
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY. ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
Oh pls, I know why only good at beginning bcs they change the screenwriter? Bcs we can feel less engange and entertained…
Overall rating is artificially too high to protect ML and Baby actors from their resume being too damaged bc the FL actress and script are terrible.
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY. ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
No way this show can have 7.6 stars... everyone who has watched it has hated it! Took me a couple of weeks to…
Overall rating is artificially too high to protect ML and Baby actors from their resume being too damaged bc the FL actress and script are terrible.
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY. ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
omg I really wanted to watch this, but what's with the reviews and the bad comments. Is it really that bad? What…
Overall rating is artificially too high to protect ML and Baby actors from their resume being too damaged bc the FL actress and script are terrible.
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY. ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
Came back from trashing this on my Watchlist, to realise that this has a whopping rating of 7.5- how??? Even Bae…
Overall rating is artificially too high to protect ML and Baby actors from their resume being too damaged bc the FL actress and script are terrible.
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY. ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
7.5 is too high. at this point anything Roh Jeong Eui touches becomes a flop
Overall rating is artificially too high to protect ML and Baby actors from their resume being too damaged bc the FL actress and script are terrible.
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY. ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
Overall rating is artificially too high to protect ML and Baby actors from their resume being too damaged bc the FL actress and script are terrible.
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY. ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
EVERYONE!!! i think I can put into formal language why this drama flopped. Another user and I were discussing 'emergent love' (intentionally working in partnership to deepen the love) versus rom-coms and "submergent love" (falling in love without any effort) so now I can explain why Our Universe was such a tragic flop - and how to fix it.
Our Universe had a baby .... so that attracted audience which is not totally airheads. But the drama makers didnt get it... the drama was done like a classic brainless rom-com
A typical rom com is made for the audience that uses dramas instead of alcohol or drugs to turn off their brain and go into delulu fantasy mode... - and such audience loves to fantasize about how great they could be and how much they can own/have... and wants to see only delulu fluff... NO work, committment, etc - only RECEIVING good things and RULING THE WORLD .... this kind of audience watches Perfect Crown, Dynamite Kiss. Pursuit of Jade, etc.
So that's why the drama had that FL character - bc that was a TYPICAL trash rom-com character - trash rom-com audience wants to see other ppl kissing their as@ - just like Sunbae and ML were bending backward for FL ... so that triangle plot was put into Our Universe to serve that purpose
so Our Unverse was done as a classic trash rom-com - started with falling in love bc they just happened to be living together (submergent love) but then failed to enter the stage of emergent love, (working in partnership to deepen the love)... and even worse, continued as a classic cheesy rom com with the love triangle as the focus - the drama totally forgot about the baby....
Emergent love plot is the plot that typical rom com audience HATES bc typical rom com audience likes only utmost delulu fluff - but Our Universe audience was a lot more mature audience and totally protested the drama when it became obvious that emergent love was not happening - and the sacrificed was the baby.
Our Universe Audience first protested bc baby was left hanging, neglected and essentially abused, in this trashy rom-com. Then the audience protested bc the ML was left hanging too.
So Our Universe could have been a rare true good rom com where submergent love evolves into an emergent love - the plot was there, THE AUDIENCE WAS THERE - but the drama choose to stay in trash rom-com mode and make drama called "FL and Sunbae Universe".
And one of the main red flags was the FL actress - where she shows up is most likely ONLY trash mode. If you see her in a drama, run.
So I think they need to redo Our Universe under a different name :) Wait a tiny bit until ppl forget Our Universe flop and then make a very similar drama but do it right To be honest, that ML actor is perfect for that role and should be the male lead. ANd Woo Ju should be the child lead but he will be too big very soon - but why not, have a drama about Woo Ju later...
How about this - have Our Universe Season 2 where ML and FL split and she goes back to Sunbae and they go to the USA and leave Woo Ju with ML... so we watch him develop his photography, raise Woo Ju and then... he runs into a good woman and we see that relationship develop and Woo Ju get a great mom and ML get a great wife. it would be 16 ep at least
I think Our Universe makers really owe it to the audience to do that drama right
I need some recommendations from you. I feel like I might be missing out on some gems due to following whatever…
Our Universe? Yes I watched it. I was totally in love with some parts of it and in total hate with other parts. You can read my review on it :) Intersting you mention it bc I just wrote about it to another user on this page. We were discussing 'emergent love' (intentionally working in partnership to deepen the love) versus rom-coms and "submergent love" (falling in love without any effort) so now I can explain why Our Universe was such a tragic flop
Our Universe had a baby .... so that attracted audience which is not totally airheads. But the drama makers didnt get it... the drama was done like a classic brainless rom-com "watch this drama to turn your brain off and go into fantasy mode - instead of taking drugs or drinking alcohol" - and such audience loves to fantasize about how great they could be and how much they can own/have...
so the drama started with falling in love bc they just happened to be living together (submergent love) but then failed to enter the stage of emergent love, (working in partnership to deepen the love)...
Emergent love plot is the plot that typical rom com audience HATES bc typical rom com audience likes only utmost delulu fluff - but Our Universe audience was a lot more mature audience and totally protested the drama when it became obvious that emergent love was not happening.
So Our Universe could have been a rare true good rom com where submergent love evolves into an emergent love - the plot was there, THE AUDIENCE WAS THERE - but the drama choose to stay in trash rom-com mode and make drama called "FL and Sunbae Universe".
And one of the main red flags was the FL actress - where she shows up is most likely ONLY trash mode. If you see her in a drama, run.
So I think they need to redo Our Universe under a different name :) Wait a tiny bit until ppl forget Our Universe flop and then make a very similar drama but do it right To be honest, that ML actor is perfect for that role and should be the male lead. ANd Woo Ju should be the child lead but he will be too big very soon - but why not, have a drama about Woo Ju later...
How about this - have Our Universe Season 2 where ML and FL split and she goes back to Sunbae and they go to the USA and leave Woo Ju with ML... so we watch him develop his photography, raise Woo Ju and then... he runs into a good woman and we see that relationship develop and Woo Ju get a great mom and ML get a great wife. it would be 16 ep at least
I think Our Universe makers really owe it to the audience to do that drama right
Cmon Yumi cells is an excellent drama and us fans waited 4 years for the last season.
Hm I have to start working now but I cannot keep my mouth shut here lmao Imo The Glory is not an emergent love story... It is a submergent love, according to the definition, and it is emergent toxicity and enabling .... and it TOTALLY TOTALLY lacks any elements of real love, it is a toxic enabling obsession relationship. I cringe about that relationship bc he is just her Lapdog, he never stands up to her or challenges her, he just blindly goes down the most convenient and sleazy route of totally kissing her as@. There is absolutely no healing in that relationship. He encourages her lowest impulses and bloody revenge. Then she helps him do the same. That is NOT love :) That is a toxic relationship of two addicts. THe two of them did not TRANSFORM, they did not change at all!!! Their relationship just pushed them further into the wrong stuff.
By definition, true love means transforming into a better version of yourself and serving the other person to do so too. So for something to be "emergent" and "love" it has to have constant work on oneself and to help each other evolve.
Yeah a good rom com always enters the phase of emergent love, and that is why good rom coms are so rare,bc the audience lacks the sophistication to appreciate the emergent love.
That is why Our Universe is a tragic flop, bc it had submergent going into emergent plot AND the audience was mature enough to appreciate it - and demand it lmao and bc emergent love wasnt there, the audience protested and shot down the drama. The audience for Our Universe was impressively mature and observant. Now I realize the only reason that was so is bc there was a baby in the drama. So there is a hope for this world, ppl interested in babies are not airheads :)
But then most rom com audience is very immature and loves delulu easy plots - 50,000 viewers in Perfect Crown, 50,000 viewers in Pursuit of jade, 60,000 viewers in Dynamite Kiss, ... discussions on Practica Guide to Love are totally illustrative of that - so that's why rom coms avoid real emergent love.... and just stick to some catchy easy trash - essentially serving as "a bottle of alcohol" to dumb the brain :) and go into fantasizing mode... And they want to fantasize about how great they could be and how much they could owe/have
And yeah, you are right, "emergent" can be anything, parent/caretaker love, friends love, romantic love, servant/student love... Perhaps 'emergent" is synonym for dedication, in some ways.
Anyways, there aren't enough stories of friendship anymore. Any time two men or two women are friendly. lgbt+ suspicion comes in. Ok in this day and age, that is a good policy to always have that situation as a possible explanation, but also - we do not have good friends anymore... we are always online so we do not hang out with physical friends anymore ... :(
Cmon Yumi cells is an excellent drama and us fans waited 4 years for the last season.
Ok definitions: EMERGENT VERSUS SUBMERGENT love by AI: "Emergent romance, or more formally the Emergent Love Model, is a relationship paradigm developed by Dr. Sara Nasserzadeh that defines lasting love not as a fleeting feeling or a "found" foundation, but as a dynamic outcome created by intentional actions and shared building blocks.
It shifts the focus from "falling" into a predetermined state of romantic intensity (submergent love) to actively cultivating a partnership"
"Emergent romance" is the plot in most rom coms anyways, we see ML-FL going from enemies/strangers to lovers and overcoming all kinds of obstacles rather than this "I fall in love with you on the spot" idea.
BUT EVEN IF PPL "FALL IN LOVE ON THE SPOT" like YuMi did in Season 3... there are always obstacles .... creating 12 or 16 episodes is possible ... bc after ppl "fall in love' they still have to get together... and then do the "emergent" part :)
In fact, without "emergent romance" there is no good love story :) In fact, every submergent romance has to enter into "emergent romance" permanent state or else love disappears.
You just helped me realize that lack of subsequent emergent romance after the starting submergent romance is the reason why the in Our Universe totally flopped... and why cheesy submergent romance -based dramas became so great - bc they entered in the emergent romance phase...
Some of my fav "emergent" romances are Familiar Wife, many couples in Divorce Insurance, Discovery of Love, Noona couple in I need Romance Season 3, My Wife is Having an Affair This Week, etc and yeah all kinds of cheesy rom coms became stellar bc they had it, like My Nemesis, Positively Yours, or even dramas like My Love from Another Star and Legend of the Blue Sea, and even total cringe ones, like Potato Lab at the very end of ep 11 transforms into emergent romance and leaves the users in a "good memory" and yeah the deeply healing ones, like My Mister, It is Ok It is Love (I plan to watch that) or It is Ok not to be OK (the concept is good, the drama is often cringe), and this one here has a potential.
As for rewatching: I had the most twilight zone experience when I rewatched ep 1 of Filing for Love. It was super late when I watched it first and I think I was falling asleep, and also ep 1 was suuuper funny and I wanted to study WHY it was so, so I rewatched it - and it was not funny anymore... !!!! wow. I then watched ep 2 and it was nothing special.
And then there is stuff which never grows old and just STICKS in your brain, like My Mister, one of my fav dramas ever. So my "rating" of a drama is: DO I REMEMBER IT? if I dont remember anything, it was trash. The more I remember, the higher the quality.
For this drama, I really disliked FL actress' fake acting in ep 2.... and I also watched ep 2 to late and was falling asleep, so I was planning to watch it again and see what I will think then...
I need some recommendations from you. I feel like I might be missing out on some gems due to following whatever…
lmao yes to me Dynamite Kiss is like a gold standard for classifying user preferences. If someone says they liked it, I know there is very little chance we would enjoy talking about dramas :) Also, My Mister is a gold standard :) whoever says they liked it, will be a good person to talk with. One of those Dynamite Kiss / Pursuit of Jade rabid fans wrote My Mister is bad boring drama bc the actor is old and ugly lmao
On another note, there is this current daily called Our Happy Days which surprisingly has quality of miniseries, it is not a crude makjang but a rather sophisticated plot, filming and acting and esp like after ep .. 10? when ML actor "woke up"
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Stepmom is kissing as# of her husband - but he had a reconciliation - and she still didnt catch on....
FL's mom has no real reason, since she doesnt really support her husband... so what is her reason then... ?
this drama has enough characters and plots to keep us busy for 25 more episodes...
I agree that a SHIFT is needed, some kind of transformation that will move on the plot
In general, conflict and suffering and stupidity is used to move the plot but that works just or a little bit.....
the plot is truly moved on and interesting only when there is TRANSFORMATION
FL's mom is ... all bottled up negative... and yeah PETTY SLIMEY MEAN!!! you are right, that word describes her... her splitting the beds..... NEVER expressing anything positive in her own family except kissing as% of Grandma, who is always too nice to her and in act an enabler... I dislike Grandma's character bc she hands onto staying in the past, laying down low, never moving forward. Well except some comments about dating anyone were progressive, but she did not apply it to her own family!!!
FL's mom is a major COWARD and HYPICRITE, she is totally fake, SHE IS NOT ACCOUNTABLE. Imo that is her major fault. And now it is all exposed...
So what will they do to heal... ? Covering up for FL-ML dating... hating the other family... having split beds... not talking with, lying to, and treating your husband like he is an imbecille... are all cancerous behavior so it all gotta go
FL dad will have to change. So far he was ... too often too much a man-child. He was supposed to to be able to properly stand up and challenge his slimey slipout wife and pin her down to transform - but he failed so far. Grandma is the keeper of toxicity. FL's mom and dad should have already divorced OR got together, not lived like two strangers / enemies. Since FL's mom moved back home, they SHOULD have gotten together already.
So now - she either lives or dies, and they either reconcile or continue to live in a maritall jail.
That' why we have remaining 25 episodes :) to clean up all this :)
Btw there is an AMAZING stand up to / challenge his love scene in daily First Man, I think ep .. 95? but it is not applicable here. But it provides good ideas. A very low IQ dumb and rather ... mean woman is loved by a very decent guy and they kinda go out and she loves him but not enough.... . She does some REALLY stupid stuff, backstabs him and dumps him - for his brother... !!!!!. Instead of goin to therapy to talk about it, instead of yelling at her, or even talking with her. he found her all beat up in one very sticky situation where she on her own became very clear she had to give up her games... and with literally 7 sentences and 2 short scenes. like 4 mins total, that immature woman transformed and they got together for good. The scene of her running away with him from her wedding, her veil still on her head, running away to marry him, ...
That parcitular 7 sentences adn 2 scenes will not work here but FL's dad has to stand up to his wife - and she needs to allow her self to be accountable - and before he does that, he has to be a better person hmself. He has to bring those 2 beds back together and initiate honest conversations and she has to allow it, and vice versa.
FL's dad has to stop being a flamable redneck who never listens nor pays attention -
except to his patients, bc they only kiss his as@ and he is in a power role over them... they never talk back or ask for anything... .
FL's mom is too insecure and weak and cowardly.... and also coddled and spoiled and enabled by Grandma, so ... her husband will somehow have to not crush her eggshell ego and her false pride, yet really nail her down to surrender to loving each other
FL's dad has a plus to his character that he is not a snowflake, he is actually a very giving and strong man, and ... after a good talk and some thinking, he can logically conclude on his own to change. We have seen him do that. FL's mom also has ability to logically think about a problem and calmly offer a solution - but since she is a snowflake, SHE DOES NOT CHANGE her inner feeling, only her outside behavior stays icy polite. Like when she told Se Ri to go back to school bc educaton is the only thing that FL's mom has that SR does not have, so if she gets that, she wont be jealous anymore... BUT although she gave such deep generous transformational advice to SR. FL's mom still dislikes and despises SR and her family. FL's dad is different - when he is generous it is for real.
I think now is the only time to nail FL's mom down bc she is finally off her high horse and into the phase of WILLINGNESS to cooperate with the Universe ...
I have no idea how he/she will do it in sync with his/her character... I am curious what the script will make him/her do :)
I am sure she will first try to keep up the games, she already is doing that, not telling anyone ,,,, just giving a tv-news report to her own husband in their own bedroom on their 2 split beds... She despises her husband, she despises the neighbors, she is using Grandma as an indentured slave as@ kisser.... FL's mom is still pretending to be ah so allmighty ... and her husband too!!!! how he treated after was worse then he would treat his patient!!!!
BUT THE CANCER HELL IS GONNA START SOON SO SHE SHOULD BE SOFTENING ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY BE WILLING AND ABLE TO HAVE REAL CONVERSATIONS :) and her husband should have an easier time breaking her walls and helping her set herself free - and vice versa. That guy is gonna have to become super caring in all daily details
That' why we have remaining 25 episodes :) to clean up all this :)
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY.
ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
SO JUST WATCH ML AND THE BABY AND FF THE REST
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY.
ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
SO JUST WATCH ML AND THE BABY AND FF THE REST
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY.
ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
SO JUST WATCH ML AND THE BABY AND FF THE REST
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY.
ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
SO JUST WATCH ML AND THE BABY AND FF THE REST
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY.
ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
SO JUST WATCH ML AND THE BABY AND FF THE REST
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY.
ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
SO JUST WATCH ML AND THE BABY AND FF THE REST
EVERYONE IMMENSELY ENJOYED ML AND THE BABY.
ML and baby characters and the actors are 10/10.
FL and FL-SML actors and script is 0/10 Ok maybe 7/10 just for SML actor. But FL actress is at most 1/10 but I would give her 0/10. Cannot act. Too tired, too malnourished to act. Another user below Edelweiss09 called FL "SNOOZE FEST OF A CHARACTER" - indeed, is an excellent description of FL actress acting.
SO JUST WATCH ML AND THE BABY AND FF THE REST
Another user and I were discussing 'emergent love' (intentionally working in partnership to deepen the love) versus rom-coms and "submergent love" (falling in love without any effort) so now I can explain why Our Universe was such a tragic flop - and how to fix it.
Our Universe had a baby .... so that attracted audience which is not totally airheads. But the drama makers didnt get it... the drama was done like a classic brainless rom-com
A typical rom com is made for the audience that uses dramas instead of alcohol or drugs to turn off their brain and go into delulu fantasy mode...
- and such audience loves to fantasize about how great they could be and how much they can own/have... and wants to see only delulu fluff... NO work, committment, etc - only RECEIVING good things and RULING THE WORLD .... this kind of audience watches Perfect Crown, Dynamite Kiss. Pursuit of Jade, etc.
So that's why the drama had that FL character - bc that was a TYPICAL trash rom-com character - trash rom-com audience wants to see other ppl kissing their as@ - just like Sunbae and ML were bending backward for FL ... so that triangle plot was put into Our Universe to serve that purpose
so Our Unverse was done as a classic trash rom-com - started with falling in love bc they just happened to be living together (submergent love) but then failed to enter the stage of emergent love, (working in partnership to deepen the love)... and even worse, continued as a classic cheesy rom com with the love triangle as the focus - the drama totally forgot about the baby....
Emergent love plot is the plot that typical rom com audience HATES bc typical rom com audience likes only utmost delulu fluff - but Our Universe audience was a lot more mature audience and totally protested the drama when it became obvious that emergent love was not happening - and the sacrificed was the baby.
Our Universe Audience first protested bc baby was left hanging, neglected and essentially abused, in this trashy rom-com. Then the audience protested bc the ML was left hanging too.
So Our Universe could have been a rare true good rom com where submergent love evolves into an emergent love - the plot was there, THE AUDIENCE WAS THERE - but the drama choose to stay in trash rom-com mode and make drama called "FL and Sunbae Universe".
And one of the main red flags was the FL actress - where she shows up is most likely ONLY trash mode. If you see her in a drama, run.
So I think they need to redo Our Universe under a different name :) Wait a tiny bit until ppl forget Our Universe flop and then make a very similar drama but do it right
To be honest, that ML actor is perfect for that role and should be the male lead. ANd Woo Ju should be the child lead but he will be too big very soon - but why not, have a drama about Woo Ju later...
How about this - have Our Universe Season 2 where ML and FL split and she goes back to Sunbae and they go to the USA and leave Woo Ju with ML... so we watch him develop his photography, raise Woo Ju and then... he runs into a good woman and we see that relationship develop and Woo Ju get a great mom and ML get a great wife. it would be 16 ep at least
I think Our Universe makers really owe it to the audience to do that drama right
Our Universe had a baby .... so that attracted audience which is not totally airheads. But the drama makers didnt get it... the drama was done like a classic brainless rom-com "watch this drama to turn your brain off and go into fantasy mode - instead of taking drugs or drinking alcohol" - and such audience loves to fantasize about how great they could be and how much they can own/have...
so the drama started with falling in love bc they just happened to be living together (submergent love) but then failed to enter the stage of emergent love, (working in partnership to deepen the love)...
Emergent love plot is the plot that typical rom com audience HATES bc typical rom com audience likes only utmost delulu fluff - but Our Universe audience was a lot more mature audience and totally protested the drama when it became obvious that emergent love was not happening.
So Our Universe could have been a rare true good rom com where submergent love evolves into an emergent love - the plot was there, THE AUDIENCE WAS THERE - but the drama choose to stay in trash rom-com mode and make drama called "FL and Sunbae Universe".
And one of the main red flags was the FL actress - where she shows up is most likely ONLY trash mode. If you see her in a drama, run.
So I think they need to redo Our Universe under a different name :) Wait a tiny bit until ppl forget Our Universe flop and then make a very similar drama but do it right
To be honest, that ML actor is perfect for that role and should be the male lead. ANd Woo Ju should be the child lead but he will be too big very soon - but why not, have a drama about Woo Ju later...
How about this - have Our Universe Season 2 where ML and FL split and she goes back to Sunbae and they go to the USA and leave Woo Ju with ML... so we watch him develop his photography, raise Woo Ju and then... he runs into a good woman and we see that relationship develop and Woo Ju get a great mom and ML get a great wife. it would be 16 ep at least
I think Our Universe makers really owe it to the audience to do that drama right
I cringe about that relationship bc he is just her Lapdog, he never stands up to her or challenges her, he just blindly goes down the most convenient and sleazy route of totally kissing her as@. There is absolutely no healing in that relationship. He encourages her lowest impulses and bloody revenge. Then she helps him do the same.
That is NOT love :) That is a toxic relationship of two addicts. THe two of them did not TRANSFORM, they did not change at all!!! Their relationship just pushed them further into the wrong stuff.
By definition, true love means transforming into a better version of yourself and serving the other person to do so too. So for something to be "emergent" and "love" it has to have constant work on oneself and to help each other evolve.
Yeah a good rom com always enters the phase of emergent love, and that is why good rom coms are so rare,bc the audience lacks the sophistication to appreciate the emergent love.
That is why Our Universe is a tragic flop, bc it had submergent going into emergent plot AND the audience was mature enough to appreciate it - and demand it lmao and bc emergent love wasnt there, the audience protested and shot down the drama.
The audience for Our Universe was impressively mature and observant. Now I realize the only reason that was so is bc there was a baby in the drama. So there is a hope for this world, ppl interested in babies are not airheads :)
But then most rom com audience is very immature and loves delulu easy plots - 50,000 viewers in Perfect Crown, 50,000 viewers in Pursuit of jade, 60,000 viewers in Dynamite Kiss, ... discussions on Practica Guide to Love are totally illustrative of that - so that's why rom coms avoid real emergent love.... and just stick to some catchy easy trash - essentially serving as "a bottle of alcohol" to dumb the brain :) and go into fantasizing mode... And they want to fantasize about how great they could be and how much they could owe/have
And yeah, you are right, "emergent" can be anything, parent/caretaker love, friends love, romantic love, servant/student love... Perhaps 'emergent" is synonym for dedication, in some ways.
Anyways, there aren't enough stories of friendship anymore. Any time two men or two women are friendly. lgbt+ suspicion comes in. Ok in this day and age, that is a good policy to always have that situation as a possible explanation, but also - we do not have good friends anymore... we are always online so we do not hang out with physical friends anymore ... :(
It shifts the focus from "falling" into a predetermined state of romantic intensity (submergent love) to actively cultivating a partnership"
"Emergent romance" is the plot in most rom coms anyways, we see ML-FL going from enemies/strangers to lovers and overcoming all kinds of obstacles rather than this "I fall in love with you on the spot" idea.
BUT EVEN IF PPL "FALL IN LOVE ON THE SPOT" like YuMi did in Season 3... there are always obstacles .... creating 12 or 16 episodes is possible ... bc after ppl "fall in love' they still have to get together... and then do the "emergent" part :)
In fact, without "emergent romance" there is no good love story :) In fact, every submergent romance has to enter into "emergent romance" permanent state or else love disappears.
You just helped me realize that lack of subsequent emergent romance after the starting submergent romance is the reason why the in Our Universe totally flopped... and why cheesy submergent romance -based dramas became so great - bc they entered in the emergent romance phase...
Some of my fav "emergent" romances are Familiar Wife, many couples in Divorce Insurance, Discovery of Love, Noona couple in I need Romance Season 3, My Wife is Having an Affair This Week, etc and yeah all kinds of cheesy rom coms became stellar bc they had it, like My Nemesis, Positively Yours, or even dramas like My Love from Another Star and Legend of the Blue Sea, and even total cringe ones, like Potato Lab at the very end of ep 11 transforms into emergent romance and leaves the users in a "good memory"
and yeah the deeply healing ones, like My Mister, It is Ok It is Love (I plan to watch that) or It is Ok not to be OK (the concept is good, the drama is often cringe), and this one here has a potential.
As for rewatching: I had the most twilight zone experience when I rewatched ep 1 of Filing for Love. It was super late when I watched it first and I think I was falling asleep, and also ep 1 was suuuper funny and I wanted to study WHY it was so, so I rewatched it - and it was not funny anymore... !!!! wow. I then watched ep 2 and it was nothing special.
And then there is stuff which never grows old and just STICKS in your brain, like My Mister, one of my fav dramas ever. So my "rating" of a drama is: DO I REMEMBER IT? if I dont remember anything, it was trash. The more I remember, the higher the quality.
For this drama, I really disliked FL actress' fake acting in ep 2.... and I also watched ep 2 to late and was falling asleep, so I was planning to watch it again and see what I will think then...
On another note, there is this current daily called Our Happy Days which surprisingly has quality of miniseries, it is not a crude makjang but a rather sophisticated plot, filming and acting and esp like after ep .. 10? when ML actor "woke up"