Kassey29

I think this is on my list, how are the leads personality?

ive seen episode 5 and have no clue what you're talking about xd what did i miss, who is obsessed with him? how? the one who called his wife to the tea party?

I have both parts xdd

can anyone recommend me chinese drama with similar vibe. I love the smart, tough, dark vibe ML and smart FL (wish a little bit of street smarts too). I'm enjoying the mystery solving but I love the hoplessly in love MLs and I'm impatient. I've seen TTEOTM, The Double, Goodbye my Princess. I really like MLs that have healthy obsessions with FL, you get what I mean (GMP doesn't fit the healthy obsession, complete opposite actually lol but the vibe)

Yeah so I was thinking as a viewer. That's why it felt odd with the immediate behaviour. It is totally normal respectful behaviour and the drama edited it to make it seem normal in the guests eyes.

Just replying to everyone here haha. I get the idea of why he said it, I know the issue was with their relationship being misunderstood if she introduced it that way. I see that she made it feel more personal than professional. I think my issue is that I judged the dinner scene too hard. He just seemed overly considerate of her that I believed anyone would misunderstood him pouring her tea, giving her tissue, making them scan her wechat. I know that it is simply just respectful behaviour and lets people know she should be part of the conversation as a CEO herself. He just doesn't do this respectful behaviour with anyone else. If the drama showed this level of consideration with other people maybe it would've been easier for me to see that. I'm just a lil slow haha.

I get the idea of why he said it, I know the issue was with their relationship being misunderstood if she introduced it that way. I think my issue is that I judged the dinner scene too hard. He just seemed overly considerate of her that I believed anyone would misunderstood him pouring her tea, giving her tissue, making them scan her wechat. The drama shows how many people can tell he likes her, and how many times he goes out of his way to see/help her. I believed this scene would be the same. I should've noticed that the guests at the dinner were perfectly normal with his behavior.

That makes sense, the ambiguity. I should consider that part. I guess my issue is with how overly considerate he was. If I was at that party and saw the way he treated her I would wonder whats up.

That all makes sense. I was just thinking in drama world sense he was overly considerate of her. Tissues, pouring tea, wechat. In any other drama, this would make people start talking. However, he is truly being considerate and the other people there were decent folks so they didn't take it the wrong way. I get what you mean

I like what he did, he wanted her to be respected, not kept in the background, part of the conversation as CEO herself (I don't think he did it well though, a better example is Master of My Own). However, it is weird right after his disciplining of her. He moved on, but he did what he had an issue with, I dont know if that counts as moving on.

He wanted to help her get connections, which is not a problem at all, that's what investors are for. However, she needed something from that doctor, more than connection, and he helped her get it by using his own influence. Maybe I am missing what the "shortcut" was, isn't it just her using her connection with him?

She said he and her were schoolmates in the meeting before with the Mr. Lin (im not sure if i got it right). He didn't want her to use his name, use shortcuts to get things, and be taken advantage for her relationship to him. However, he shows all those people what type of relationship they have, someone who is very considerate to her. I have no problem with it, because they are connections but it feels odd after he got upset at her for that.

Currently episode 12, I just wanna say, that scene where he is making people scan her wechat and he is being considerate of her... why? Not even 2 episodes ago did she make a fuss about her taking advantage of his name, for her sake of course (people will tie her to him and annoy her about their relationship). However, he is doing it himself, in a much outward way then briefly mentioning they are schoolmates. Showing her attention, pouring her tea, making them follow her, anyone will take it the wrong way there. That is bothering me. It makes his speech to her, which I respected very much, null.

Oh its definitely internalized misogyny. I've always been hesitant to watch a show after seeing comments about immature female leads, then I give it a shot and the woman is literally just a woman?!? You're right, zero empathy for their characters. She's having a rough patch in her life and yet people are like why she acting out lol.

Men are the male characters but its usually women watching and its centered around the FLs life and maybe the MLs, but only parts that influence/affect the FL. Despite him being a main, It comes back to him being mainly the love interest, so they don't really care about his life, as long as he loves her like crazy.

About the horrible male leads, very truee! That's exactly why I LOVEEE a good grovel scene. I really really dislike it when a FLs suffering is thrown aside for "love." I hate when she doesn't get a real heartfelt apology from the male lead, same with side characters. If he doesn't get his comeuppance, it drastically changes my opinion of the characters and the show. Like ML, you don't think you need to apologize, FL, you let him back in your life after that, show, you don't think you're missing anything?!

For example in Boys over flowers, I couldn't watch it. I can't remember if he even apologized to her properly, but I know he didn't apologize to other people he bullied. That's why I liked the F4 version, I clearly remember him going to his victims and apologizing.

Wayy too many girls/woman romanticize the bad guy from kdramas. I'm good though, never found it attractive, STAY SAFE FRIEND!

I totally get your point. There are many people who are like that. For me at least, it's because the female lead is the main character and I want to follow a character with a good moral compass. If she is flawed, its okay as long as there is character development. I know for MLs there is usually character development so I don't obsess over their perfection too much. For others, I believe it is because green flags can often be boring. People like the "I can change him" types. It can also be because women want to live through the FL, they wanna by y/n. (NOT ME AT ALL I PROMISE, I literally thought y/n was said as yin).

To admit my own bias, I do prefer shows where MLs fall first, and dislike where FLs fall first. When a ML falls for a FL they are usually obsessive with it (not a likeable trait irl), and I let it slide, but when a FL does it, not a fan at all. This is because they use all the romantic cliches for when men do it, but whenever FL do it, they make her have literally have no personality except for liking the guy and base their whole life around the ML (they have done this for some ML and I'm not a fan of, like Marry My Husband).
However, I have my standard. I have dropped shows often when the ML is too much. Usually they have a different level of dislike. I even dropped Love is Sweet cause ML pretended to be sick for her attention lol.

how is she going to be a likeable character if she takes money and leaves someone she likes?

Same! They will most likely both have their own flaws, reminds me of The Break-up (Jennifer Aniston movie), but THEY BETTER have good character development. If they are unlikeable its fine as long as they become likeable :D

I hear people saying the show finishes tomorrow, and has to do with some express package. How do I get this? Also without the package I assume it will have a normal release, correct? Can anyone clarify what I can do and what is happening?

Omg what they will do to Wanning is so cruel! I don't even think Jiang Li knows how cruel it truly is, it is far worse than exposing their relationship. It breaks my heart to think about how Wanning will find out the truth, yet I cannot wait to see it!! Li Meng is a great actress and I know that she will do justice to such a scene (If they decide to show it, I never read the novel, this is what I desire lol).

Ye Shi Je, Wen Ji and Jiu Yue are a funny trio. The comedy in their scene was very good! Hope to see another round up of the three of them.

As a musician myself I am slightly annoyed by how they kinda framed Jiang Li as a better player then all the people doing music as their 9 to 5. You're telling me just cause she was number one in the music test outta like 15 kids she is the best? Better than full-time musicians? Maybe Xue Fangfei is decent cause she played guqin all through her married life and before, but Jiang Li isn't her to everyone else.

Like although Shen Yu Rong was saying all sorts of things just so she wouldn't be a part of the show for the delegation, but he was right about them. She hasn't played in a while so she is rusty and she is "sick." I agree she shouldn't be with the musicians because they were playing music that she is unfamiliar with and has a short time to familiarize herself with the sheet music, so honestly best bet is not to let her join. HOWEVER, I know the king wants her to play, so she has to, and so the only route is for her to play herself. I JUST DON'T LIKE THE MARY SUE FEEL!!