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Couldn't agree more with you on humanities and sciences being integral, not above or below either. Will be patiently waiting for your in-depth replies.
I have the novel in my To Read list, but I'm afraid I cannot read it as soon as I would like to as I'm currently preparing for entrance exams. But I hopefully will have read it before rewatching the series. Thankyou again for the links♡

I have been dutifully reading everything slowly, but I still require much more thinking and tinkering to come to terms with the mountains of information available with my own limited knowledge proving to be a hurdle on every turn T_T

Nevertheless, Shui Long Yin has been life-changing for me. It tore open a lot of questions I have been scared and hesitant to confront and thus, I once again realize how literature and media can prove to be monumental in every person's cultivation for knowledge and enlightenment. Very few characters and stories live within my heart long after they leave, never to part. Now, Tang Lici and Shui Long Yin has definitely snagged a spot. Also, thanking you for all the detailed commentary and links you provide time and time again. Without you guys in here and reddit, I'm afraid the beauty and depth of this series would have been lost on me.

I wonder if Tang Lici's becoming of no-self can be attributed to compassion and responsibilty not only towards the people he so loved, but also towards himself? I am not well versed with The Three Schools of Thought, but have been reading as much analysis and information I can find regarding the series.

So forgive me if it seems self-explanatory, but I feel that Tang Lici letting go of all his obsessions and yearning for living among his loved ones to resolutely and compassionately turn back time with Calamity-free Cosmos is in itself the biggest step he could take towards realizing his deeper, more genuine need. If self and consciousness is a mere boundary between a greater boundless form of existence, would that not mean Tang Lici who saw through this could finally ascend knowing that wherever he might be, he still belonged to the boundless form that still held everything he loved. He might not exist within memories, but the marks he left behind and the years he toiled remain unchanged, and so does the fact that he now exists among the breath of wind, the rays of sun and the laughter of people.

I would love to know how and if this would correspond to the spirit of the series. I have tried my best to put it out there in words, I'm not sure if it's making any sense though😅

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It is a open, kind of a bitter-sweet ending. If you let me know what are your absolute no-go for endings, I can tell you if this will be good for you to watch

I definitely will. I am kind of overwhelmed with the whole story and turning it over in my head repeatedly, so I will be slowly easing into it with time.

I just read some of your comments related to A-Shui as well as the concepts of three schools of thought, chinese culture and literary history being closely knit within the script and the whole of the world building and story. Even the name Shui Long Yin attributes so much meaning that Whispers of Fate definitely cannot compare to. The entirety of what I'm missing due to translations and cultural unfamiliarity pains me so much because, even the subtitles and my personal understanding so far has easily made Shui Long Yin life-changing and monumentally impactful. I cannot remember the last time a series left me staring into space and ruminating every small detail and thought obsessively. I cannot remember the last time I had to rewind a sequence multiple times because I did not want to miss anything I potentially could glean from the acting, dialogues and scenes. Some of the questions and dialogues left me feeling utterly and devastaingly shattered and aware of how tiny and insignificant my knowledge, time and pursuits are.

I will be reading all of your compilations and threads posted in the discussion slowly and definitely will be back to re-watch and enjoy it even more.

I thought in the earlier episodes that I would unwaveringly hate the characters assosciated with Fengliudian and support the heros from the Jianghu. But somewhere along the way, I realized that I truly cannot in good faith judge most of the characters in the series without feeling hypocritical. And I cannot seem to choose a favorite character either.

While Tang Lici absolutely comes first owing to how intimately I felt his birth, growth, innocence, confusion, fear, curiousness, fondness, devotion, happiness, confidence, sorrow, anguish, helplessness, pain and death, I cannot rank other characters because most come close enough to each other that it really cannot be differentiated with how well the actors portrayed each.

My favorite scenes include all of Zhoudi Lou's scenes and dream sequences- especially the scene where Tang Lici wakes up after being taken there and tries to run away with fear and confusion, Shen Langhun's conversations with Tang Lici, the Star-Averting dance, all of Xue Xianzi's scenes and the comic relief snippets in between heavy plays.

One thing I cannot stop marveling about is Luo Yunxi's absolute devastating and accurate portrayal of Tang Lici, so mind numbingly alluring that every emotional adjective I can think of brings an immediate image of his relative expression. Not to mentions the direction, screenplay, sets and costumes that must have taken so much time, dedication and effort.

I finished the drama today and just realized that it started airing exactly one year back. Even though I was not a part of the excitement last year, somehow finishing it one the 1 year anniversary feels like a whisper of fate itself

Currently in 16th episode and all I can think is of blasting A Shui out of the screen somehow. She annoys me more than even the fools in Fengliudian, I even like XiFang Tao more than her. They way she uses her "clueless" image to get inbetween and be a total chore and burden is honestly rage inducing. She clearly knows that the pearl Tang Lici takes with him when he falls into the lake near Bilou palace can keep him warm, but she had to play the damsel in worry and jump behind him to foil his plans for her hidden motives and then blink doe eyes when questioned😒😒😒

I just realised today that the song 不休 from the series lies within the backdrop set by Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata Movement 1 aka Sonata Like a Fantasy. It is said to embody the emotions of death, unrequited feelings and grief, giving off a feeling of quiet doom and suffocation. I think we hear it first in the scene in Ep 8 where You Shulang catches Fan Xiao lying red handed with Shi Lihua's replies in his phone as the evidence, where he says– What wrong did I ever do to you to earn this hatred?, Fan Xiao, look at how stupid I am. I thought you loved me.

That scene symbolizes the death of their relationship built on lies, like a funeral filled with grief. And this music just elevates the scene and makes it more haunting and heartbreaking.

The only part I hated was the grandpa and mother getting to resolve their guilt. The grandpa had no business in pressurizing Jeongyo to forgive his daughter. I almost threw hands until Jeongyo refused to answer and stood his ground. Also, we need not see Kang Jihye reunite with her situationship, like what the hell. Otherwise I immensely enjoyed every drop of JeongPio holy water that saved my parched soul for 6 weeks. The series, the musical pieces that struck straight to the soul, the pain and happiness, the love that needed no words, the phenomenal acting– everything will push this to one of the best dramas I've watched.

Can you hear someone scream??? Yes, it's me. I'm loosing my mind right now😭😭😭

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The fact that the solo rendition of Nemesis felt like lovers meeting again in the midst of copper sunlight just had me kicking my legs and giggling. The ending of Jeongyo and Pio was the most justified and beautiful part of this series. Their love for each other went beyond their need for music, the very fact that Jeongyo would play once more if only to bring Pio back from the ruins even with the risk of ruining himself, the fact that Pio would destroy himself if only to make Jeongyo step away from being consumed by rage, that Jeongyo would lie to the police about his amnesia to save Pio whom he doubted beyond suspicion because he could not bring himself to not have Pio at the end of his revenge, that Pio would persistently stay away from the music he vowed to play till the last day of his life because there was no Jeongyo next to him who could play with him— these actions spoke louder than any kisses or confessions would have.

Them portrayed in their school uniforms at the end just drives home that they've returned to the moments they thought were completely lost— their teenage years where they enjoyed music with each other beyond what the world demanded or expected of them, where meeting each others eyes and humming along to tunes were enough to bloom happiness within them. I really hope to see the hug Pio ang Jeongyo never got to fulfill, but then realized that they needn't ask again as they were not pressed for time or seeking something they wondered they'll ever have. They have all their life and time to jump into each others arms, they have the promise of forever that they made in their youth.

AO3. Omg, let me drop the link for you through dm

The contradiction and dilemma projected is so damn delicious, I can never get a fill

Thankyou for the link❤️🥹

I saw an edit which pointed out that after Pio saved Jeongyo from the loansharks, they both exchange their shirts- we see Jeongyo with Pio's grey hoodie. Then when Pio comes to stay over in his dorm Jeongyo frantically hides that hoodie in the depth of his cupboard so that Pio cannot see and take it back. If that isn’t script sneaking in love, I don't know what is🥹

Omg, where are y'all getting these information from?? I'm not on twitter, I feel so lost😭