It was so wholesome, almost like her having taught him how to properly write his name cheered him up after what…
I tried watching the kdrama and wow they made it literally boring by taking the dark but best parts out from it. Even the color palette was all pastel lol. Also the k-actors didn't match their characters, they were made to be goody-two-shoes, as if to make the affair digestible. But the Japanese drama did not. It is muddy as hell. Korea is more conservative than Japan, so things were changed to match that vibe and to justify the affair. While Hirugao, I feel it only justified their love and not their actions. It was complex. Do watch it, you'll see parallels with Aino, Gakkou as well, and how the writer story tells.
Same, I love messy or gray characters as leads, I loved Manami the second her inner monologue complained about her job, I even loved how she threw herself into the sea lol, no well-adjusted person would do that. I also love when TWO messy character's who shouldn't fall in love, who do end up helplessly falling in love and they try to untangle their mess, it's just perfection!đ
YES YES YES! Itâs a main point in the drama. â ïžThis is gonna be long:When they are together, it feels like…
âBoth of them just look so free.â YESSS! And it makes my heart so full. Itâs like what age gap? Itâs like they are both back in elementary school and look like they donât know anything about the outside world when they are with each other. When they both talked about how theyâve both been to Miura beach when they were young, and him saying we couldâve met thenđ it was so pure, naive, wishful thinking and it was like, he almost asked.. âWhere were you all of my life? and why havenât we met earlier?â It was so damn beautiful.đ„č
Serious props to Fumino and Raulâs acting for making us believe in Takamori Taiga/Kaworu & Ogawa Manami/Ai.
ârooftop has colors that is similar to that of what is used in playpensâ Oooh I love this! I never thought about the color palette!đ„° Also the half-blinking heart of that neon sign is like.. love is half-palpable as he talks about how he is gonna teach her love.
âunlike little Taiga and little Manami, they no longer had to pretend. â
Also Taiga saying he is happy that Manami said that he is not a âstupid idiot,â and how he was called that 100000 times, is just, ugh let me just cry.đYes! They need all the healing.â€ïž Canât wait to see their book-store date today! I hope my heart can take it lmao
性é Taigaâs name also have 性(Great). Maybe itâs foreboding, because people have seen them shooting near…
âïžWarning though leave morality behind. I personally donât bring my morality to drama world since itâs fiction. Since I absolutely LOVED Hirugao, when I got to know, that Hirugaoâs writer and director coming together again to do this drama and Raul is here, as a Snow Man stan I was like fr? now I donât see Raul at all and only Kaworuđ€Ż
性é Taigaâs name also have 性(Great). Maybe itâs foreboding, because people have seen them shooting near…
You can go up and click on Inoue Yumiko, she doesnât really repeat themes, all her dramas feels like it was written by different people. I have only seen, Hirugao and Samurai High School and Kinkyu. You can go up and click on Inoue Yumiko. Her most known work is "The Great White Tower", but itâs really old and I donât like medical dramas but I am definitely going to watch it one day.
Hirugaoâs on Netflix, but itâs not polished like this because itâs old, but I am slowly exploring older Japanese dramas. This also reminds me of âNagareboshiâ https://kisskh.at/275-nagareboshi itâs waay darker and the background is a bit similar, I really liked that drama too.
Hirugao is one of my favorite jdoramas. Both âHiruagaoâ and Ainogakkou have complex and morally ambiguous female leads who canât help themselves but fall deeply in love. And the characters inner-dialogue and turmoil is exquisite. There are really few dramas where they explore women in love and I find only Japan explores the theme of çŽæ/pure-love found by lonely souls the best imho. All other countrie's dramaâs look too overproduced and insincere and they rarely explore dark themes or average lives of overlooked people.
Same, it's like finally, what Kawol says in the preview is too much thoughđRaul is not the main role because…
Oh I completely get what youâre saying and I wholeheartedly agree too, I think both feelings exists within him right now, but a part of me is still giving him side eye because I feel Kaworu is still fully present in Taiga and he desperately wants to be number 1 and was extremely disappointed when he couldn't get it even after using her money. And he finally came back to himself and felt the meaninglessness of it all and felt stung and sorry for her after she said literally "aren't you a host to your bone marrow" after she realized it's 500k and not 50k. In my head I was like "gurrl run".
Itâs what makes this drama so great, his almost split personalities' inner turmoil is already heartbreaking. The writer has made us sitting-ducks too along with Manami lmao.
I also hope you are right about the struggle, I also feel that he wants to continue seeing Manami, and was indeed mad when his step-dad said how âidiotic women pay to be happyâ. It was also pointed out that he stops picking up calls to make women desperate. So heâs good at push-pull games too. So for now I am gonna side eye for my own sanity.. idk lmao
My god, same! character struggles never felt this real to me. I barely care to write a line about dramaâs I actually like and go âmehâ, but here I am writing books about them lol I have lost my mindđ”âđ«but I love them and their hippođ
It was so wholesome, almost like her having taught him how to properly write his name cheered him up after what…
Np! I love this drama and it's writing and want to fangirl about it! Sameđ„°I love when she calls his full name in this high toned cute voice, probably the only person in this world to call him that.đ
Same, it's like finally, what Kawol says in the preview is too much thoughđRaul is not the main role because…
I wanna be biased too!! and hope it was Taiga too, because he looked like he struggled emotionally before giving the money. But was it guilt at how sincere she was to pay 500k just to give him homework? or guilt of starting a new long term plan with her after listening to his bosses advice of not asking for that much money in the beginning after the sudden room invasion?
Also him alone in his room looking at the colored kanji sheets she made and the sticky note saying "let's start from your name". Really moved him, but he also got so frustrated, was it because he hates writing complex kanji(me too lol) or he has to play the long game with her and her sincerity is unbearable on his conscience?đ
Can't wait till today's episode, I think we can then see more of his real thoughts.
Rewatching the released eps and I realized something...It seems like the show is subtly trying to show the concept…
性é Taigaâs name also have 性(Great). Maybe itâs foreboding, because people have seen them shooting near Miura beach, maybe they went on a tripđ„° I donât know.. thereâs so many other foreboding things so this is nothing, others I donât even wanna think about.đŹ
This drama feels like it's going to be one of my favorites jdoramas ever too. Have I mentioned how I love this screenwriter? she is amazing! Each scene is a treat, full of so much meanings and repeat value is crazy, my heart is just so full with this drama. Hirugaoâs themes song here is haunting me though.
Rewatching the released eps and I realized something...It seems like the show is subtly trying to show the concept…
YES YES YES! Itâs a main point in the drama. â ïžThis is gonna be long:
When they are together, it feels like two children meeting in their secret playhouse. I love the hippo chair Kaworu dusted enthusiastically for his chihuahua-sensei lmao and the Calpis like drink he makes for her. They both have wounded inner children that need healing and saving. He never had any protection or attention a child deserved and sheâs an overprotected child, who was never asked what she really wants or how she really feels. She also never shows her true feelings or what happens in outside world to her family (takes bandaid off before entering house). Even when she says sincerely âI went to a hostclubâ his dad dismissively says âthat joke is very unlike you thoughâ and closes door without listening to her. Sheâs never heard in her home, sheâs dimmer when sheâs there, almost like her powerless mother. They both cope, one eats herbs to calm down and other protects plushies and the dad carefully puts things into âimpossible bottlesâ. Indicating he controls everything carefully and mom and daughter can only react or defend. Taiga was also dismissed early in his life labeled dumb and told he is impossible to be taught, abandoned by school, his mother and classmates. Both of them have suffocative family environments.
So when they meet, itâs the wounded children meeting. She can teach him in ways she find interesting and she is finally heard(unlike in her school) and he getâs the attention, sincerity and genuineness from her that he never got as Taiga. These two are like two children who found each other trying to uplift each other and they are beaming to see each other like play-mates.đ„č This is probably shown by the writer to negate their age-gap, truly it doesnât matter because they are pretty much the same age as one had to grow fast and the other had to grow smaller due to what their family demands.
She is shown to use Rilakkuma as wallpaper on her phone, she also has a Rilakkuma on her bed, that teddybear was famous like 10-15 years ago, indicating she has stopped growing in late teens or early 20âs. Also fans are commenting her room is so not what an average 35 year old womenâs room look and it is intentional, to show how ungrown she is. Her independent divorced friend and her house is shown in contrast to her how sheâs still stuck in her childhood room that hasnât change since she was a teen with countless cute plushies, who sheâs still extremely protective and says sorry to, but dad doesnât care as he sits and she says nothing to her dad too. Sheâs the only child and her dad is completely domineering. Her monologue says âshe canât help but become a âgood girlâ and canât explain things further to her fatherâ. Also wonders how she hasnât become an âotonaâ, a fully mature adult yet.
He lives alone, messily, but a roommate is there, but heâs not a true friend, more like a co-worker. He lives shabbily because his money is taken by his parasitic mother, and he agrees to this to probably let her and little-bro live with step-dad, so they can be a family, which he never had. Taiga even though younger, compared to Manami is worldly beyond her. He has made peace with his loneliness, because itâs all he knows since he was a boy. While she yearns to love someone, heâs weary of people. He makes a joke out of everything to deal with the world and she takes anything and everything seriously.
Sheâs also someone who attempted suicide after she lost her dream job of making books and had a man who fell-out of love with her. The poem Ichiaku no suna, âA handful of sandâ is the poem she teaches the students. It is a famous poem by Ishikawa Takuboku. It says: 性ăšăăćăçŸăăŸăç ă«æžăăæ»ăŹăăšăăăăŠćž°ăæ„ăăăă âI wrote the letter 性(Great) more than 100 times in the sand, and I gave up wanting to die and returned homeâ. Manami says how âpiercingâ this poem is to her listless students, but truly she says it to herself and how she has made peace with not dying and with her current existence. As if to say, even dying has become meaningless to her now, she is stuck and extremely alone in a rut no one but only she knows. She had became a shut-in previously too, she is weak and lonely to no end and not even her family sees that. Sheâs speaks her mind when outside but when she comes home she does not, she doesnât show her real-self to no one. Her loneliness, just like the forehead wound he kissed, was only noticed by Kaworu.â€ïž
He was alone after facing abuse, in a bath robe having just washed away Kaworu. He asks the waiter if he has to sign with his real name, shows that heâs not familiar with being in hotels and shows hesitation that he has to write his name, but then scribbles. Then he thinks back to her when she said: âlearning to write his own name will help him from now onâ most importantly he remembered how she said his name is âreally kakkoii/coolâ.. aww such a guy thing to focus onđ„°đ
His name é·čæŁźć€§é can literally be translated as âForest Falconâs Greatest Odesâ Taiga originates from Book of Odes; oldest existing collection of Chinese poetry. In a more modern sense, Taiga can mean âGreatest Grace/Eleganceâ and Takamori âFalcon forestâ. Maybe Taiga means more but I donât know classic Chinese poetry lmao.
Each scene is so layered and meaningful, as expected from Hirugaoâs writer and director combo.đ
Uhm, I hate Netflix subs, did it say he served a minor? She's 18, so not a minor.She says that she lied to Kawol…
Fiction does influence humanity in all the ways you said, but just because it does, doesnât mean it should confirm to a higher moral-framework. Fiction doesnât need to be purified with ethics and moral policing precisely because it is fiction. Fiction COULD and should reflect reality as it is, in all the horror of human condition and all injustices thatâs happening at every corner of this earth. Not all perpetrators meet a fitting end and thatâs reality. Fiction doesnât have to correct that. Things can be romanticized if the character/writer thinks so, itâs their story to tell, they might or not come to a âcorrectâ realization, both portrayals are valid because humans can be wrong or grey. People should talk about fiction productively and not get reactionary with "shame-shame, put it out of my sight, close it down, think of the children rhetoric or of the easily influenced smooth-brained individualsâ.
âPerfect' fiction or coupled with criticism or censorship, wouldnât reduce the countless âproblematic things like abuse, manipulation, or toxic relationshipsâ. Fiction should not be the medium to remedy societal woes. Fiction doesnât have to take on the jobs of critical thinking and media literacy or ethics 101. Fiction is a safe place to explore what it is to be human, and it could and should portray anything and everything that can be conjured up by a human, it should be unmoral. Human creativity shouldnât be stifled or limited because it could be potentially influential or because of moral conundrums.
Vigilantly checking if all unvirtuous fictional peopleâs deeds are met with a preconceived moral punishment, according to oneâs cultural-socio-economical-dependent-morality is just a means to feel imaginary righteousness at our own comfort of watching a random drama. Especially when it comes to a foreign fiction the moral policing isnât valid because thousands of years of separate linguistic, cultural-practices and relevancies are lost to a random viewer ignorant of cultural sensitivities, they canât be erased because someone suddenly demands they meet western sensibilities circa AD 2020.
Also, that hotel scene where he signs like the usual but then writes his own name when alone. Recalling the way…
He just made up scribbles, didn't really sign. Him choosing the napkin to write his name the way she taught after looking at the Chateaubriand Steak was definitely an indication that he might chose Manami over being number one dayđ„° Sitting down with a napkin vs sitting down to gobble an expensive steak, he's got his priorities right lol
There's so many tiny details like this in this drama, so poetic and foreboding. đ
Do you mean in Japan? they are top 5 on Tver, even though tv ratings are low.
If you mean here, can't help it, international viewers are just biased against Japanese dramas in general more so when it comes to themes like these.đ€·ââïž
Same, I love messy or gray characters as leads, I loved Manami the second her inner monologue complained about her job, I even loved how she threw herself into the sea lol, no well-adjusted person would do that. I also love when TWO messy character's who shouldn't fall in love, who do end up helplessly falling in love and they try to untangle their mess, it's just perfection!đ
YESSS! And it makes my heart so full. Itâs like what age gap? Itâs like they are both back in elementary school and look like they donât know anything about the outside world when they are with each other. When they both talked about how theyâve both been to Miura beach when they were young, and him saying we couldâve met thenđ it was so pure, naive, wishful thinking and it was like, he almost asked..
âWhere were you all of my life? and why havenât we met earlier?â
It was so damn beautiful.đ„č
Serious props to Fumino and Raulâs acting for making us believe in Takamori Taiga/Kaworu & Ogawa Manami/Ai.
ârooftop has colors that is similar to that of what is used in playpensâ
Oooh I love this! I never thought about the color palette!đ„°
Also the half-blinking heart of that neon sign is like.. love is half-palpable as he talks about how he is gonna teach her love.
âunlike little Taiga and little Manami, they no longer had to pretend. â
Another lovely train of thought, thank you for this! SO TRUE!đ©
Itâs what makes them so pure. They have no pretense with each other when heâs Taiga, like kids are, they tell each other things without care.
Also Taiga saying he is happy that Manami said that he is not a âstupid idiot,â and how he was called that 100000 times, is just, ugh let me just cry.đYes! They need all the healing.â€ïž
Canât wait to see their book-store date today! I hope my heart can take it lmao
Movie: âWatashi no Shiawasena Kekkonâđ„°
Hirugaoâs on Netflix, but itâs not polished like this because itâs old, but I am slowly exploring older Japanese dramas. This also reminds me of âNagareboshiâ https://kisskh.at/275-nagareboshi itâs waay darker and the background is a bit similar, I really liked that drama too.
Hirugao is one of my favorite jdoramas. Both âHiruagaoâ and Ainogakkou have complex and morally ambiguous female leads who canât help themselves but fall deeply in love. And the characters inner-dialogue and turmoil is exquisite. There are really few dramas where they explore women in love and I find only Japan explores the theme of çŽæ/pure-love found by lonely souls the best imho. All other countrie's dramaâs look too overproduced and insincere and they rarely explore dark themes or average lives of overlooked people.
Itâs what makes this drama so great, his almost split personalities' inner turmoil is already heartbreaking. The writer has made us sitting-ducks too along with Manami lmao.
Before the bill was given to Manami, bossman checked it and was disappointed in the amount. And after invading his room and he did say something along the lines of "you raised her well that she came to the club, but if you get 500k at the first go, sheâd get scared and there will be no continuation". The sodateru/raising part is really important to the bossman as well. The whole world doesnât know how pure these two are going to be, and everyoneâs going to give hell.đ©Also, I hated that invasion, feels like boss will not let go of him when Taiga wants to get away as he's seen his potential.
I also hope you are right about the struggle, I also feel that he wants to continue seeing Manami, and was indeed mad when his step-dad said how âidiotic women pay to be happyâ. It was also pointed out that he stops picking up calls to make women desperate. So heâs good at push-pull games too. So for now I am gonna side eye for my own sanity.. idk lmao
My god, same! character struggles never felt this real to me. I barely care to write a line about dramaâs I actually like and go âmehâ, but here I am writing books about them lol I have lost my mindđ”âđ«but I love them and their hippođ
Sameđ„°I love when she calls his full name in this high toned cute voice, probably the only person in this world to call him that.đ
Also him alone in his room looking at the colored kanji sheets she made and the sticky note saying "let's start from your name". Really moved him, but he also got so frustrated, was it because he hates writing complex kanji(me too lol) or he has to play the long game with her and her sincerity is unbearable on his conscience?đ
Can't wait till today's episode, I think we can then see more of his real thoughts.
This drama feels like it's going to be one of my favorites jdoramas ever too. Have I mentioned how I love this screenwriter? she is amazing! Each scene is a treat, full of so much meanings and repeat value is crazy, my heart is just so full with this drama.
Hirugaoâs themes song here is haunting me though.
When they are together, it feels like two children meeting in their secret playhouse. I love the hippo chair Kaworu dusted enthusiastically for his chihuahua-sensei lmao and the Calpis like drink he makes for her. They both have wounded inner children that need healing and saving. He never had any protection or attention a child deserved and sheâs an overprotected child, who was never asked what she really wants or how she really feels. She also never shows her true feelings or what happens in outside world to her family (takes bandaid off before entering house). Even when she says sincerely âI went to a hostclubâ his dad dismissively says âthat joke is very unlike you thoughâ and closes door without listening to her. Sheâs never heard in her home, sheâs dimmer when sheâs there, almost like her powerless mother. They both cope, one eats herbs to calm down and other protects plushies and the dad carefully puts things into âimpossible bottlesâ. Indicating he controls everything carefully and mom and daughter can only react or defend. Taiga was also dismissed early in his life labeled dumb and told he is impossible to be taught, abandoned by school, his mother and classmates. Both of them have suffocative family environments.
So when they meet, itâs the wounded children meeting. She can teach him in ways she find interesting and she is finally heard(unlike in her school) and he getâs the attention, sincerity and genuineness from her that he never got as Taiga. These two are like two children who found each other trying to uplift each other and they are beaming to see each other like play-mates.đ„č This is probably shown by the writer to negate their age-gap, truly it doesnât matter because they are pretty much the same age as one had to grow fast and the other had to grow smaller due to what their family demands.
She is shown to use Rilakkuma as wallpaper on her phone, she also has a Rilakkuma on her bed, that teddybear was famous like 10-15 years ago, indicating she has stopped growing in late teens or early 20âs. Also fans are commenting her room is so not what an average 35 year old womenâs room look and it is intentional, to show how ungrown she is. Her independent divorced friend and her house is shown in contrast to her how sheâs still stuck in her childhood room that hasnât change since she was a teen with countless cute plushies, who sheâs still extremely protective and says sorry to, but dad doesnât care as he sits and she says nothing to her dad too. Sheâs the only child and her dad is completely domineering. Her monologue says âshe canât help but become a âgood girlâ and canât explain things further to her fatherâ. Also wonders how she hasnât become an âotonaâ, a fully mature adult yet.
He lives alone, messily, but a roommate is there, but heâs not a true friend, more like a co-worker. He lives shabbily because his money is taken by his parasitic mother, and he agrees to this to probably let her and little-bro live with step-dad, so they can be a family, which he never had. Taiga even though younger, compared to Manami is worldly beyond her. He has made peace with his loneliness, because itâs all he knows since he was a boy. While she yearns to love someone, heâs weary of people. He makes a joke out of everything to deal with the world and she takes anything and everything seriously.
Sheâs also someone who attempted suicide after she lost her dream job of making books and had a man who fell-out of love with her. The poem Ichiaku no suna, âA handful of sandâ is the poem she teaches the students. It is a famous poem by Ishikawa Takuboku. It says: 性ăšăăćăçŸăăŸăç ă«æžăăæ»ăŹăăšăăăăŠćž°ăæ„ăăăă
âI wrote the letter 性(Great) more than 100 times in the sand, and I gave up wanting to die and returned homeâ.
Manami says how âpiercingâ this poem is to her listless students, but truly she says it to herself and how she has made peace with not dying and with her current existence. As if to say, even dying has become meaningless to her now, she is stuck and extremely alone in a rut no one but only she knows. She had became a shut-in previously too, she is weak and lonely to no end and not even her family sees that. Sheâs speaks her mind when outside but when she comes home she does not, she doesnât show her real-self to no one. Her loneliness, just like the forehead wound he kissed, was only noticed by Kaworu.â€ïž
Him calling her after he sees her fiancé, was so flirty and cheeky, as if he is looking to find comfort with her after what happened. He unconsciously feels safe with chihuahua-sensei, because she is extremely forward with what she thinks and has no malicious intentions towards him. Unlike all other people, she doesn't want things from him.
He was alone after facing abuse, in a bath robe having just washed away Kaworu.
He asks the waiter if he has to sign with his real name, shows that heâs not familiar with being in hotels and shows hesitation that he has to write his name, but then scribbles. Then he thinks back to her when she said: âlearning to write his own name will help him from now onâ most importantly he remembered how she said his name is âreally kakkoii/coolâ.. aww such a guy thing to focus onđ„°đ
His name é·čæŁźć€§é can literally be translated as âForest Falconâs Greatest Odesâ
Taiga originates from Book of Odes; oldest existing collection of Chinese poetry.
In a more modern sense, Taiga can mean âGreatest Grace/Eleganceâ and Takamori âFalcon forestâ. Maybe Taiga means more but I donât know classic Chinese poetry lmao.
Each scene is so layered and meaningful, as expected from Hirugaoâs writer and director combo.đ
Raulâs day job:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/B6tUoyoEONc
âPerfect' fiction or coupled with criticism or censorship, wouldnât reduce the countless âproblematic things like abuse, manipulation, or toxic relationshipsâ. Fiction should not be the medium to remedy societal woes. Fiction doesnât have to take on the jobs of critical thinking and media literacy or ethics 101. Fiction is a safe place to explore what it is to be human, and it could and should portray anything and everything that can be conjured up by a human, it should be unmoral. Human creativity shouldnât be stifled or limited because it could be potentially influential or because of moral conundrums.
Vigilantly checking if all unvirtuous fictional peopleâs deeds are met with a preconceived moral punishment, according to oneâs cultural-socio-economical-dependent-morality is just a means to feel imaginary righteousness at our own comfort of watching a random drama. Especially when it comes to a foreign fiction the moral policing isnât valid because thousands of years of separate linguistic, cultural-practices and relevancies are lost to a random viewer ignorant of cultural sensitivities, they canât be erased because someone suddenly demands they meet western sensibilities circa AD 2020.
Him choosing the napkin to write his name the way she taught after looking at the Chateaubriand Steak was definitely an indication that he might chose Manami over being number one dayđ„°
Sitting down with a napkin vs sitting down to gobble an expensive steak, he's got his priorities right lol
But he chose a napkin over an expensive free meal, revealing his motivation and what he might choose later too.
If you mean here, can't help it, international viewers are just biased against Japanese dramas in general more so when it comes to themes like these.đ€·ââïž