The plot looks nice but I don't like the actor... Do you guys think the drama is worth it ? Can it make me ignore…
Everyone has his own taste and preferences and I understand you. If we like some actors very much there are also actors that we don't like for some reasons. If what you see of the drama sends you back to your dislike of the actor and it is bugging you, then you should just not watch it. Everytime you will see the character, you will only see the actor. It will disconnect you from the story and you will feel "pissed off".
If you can watch without this reaction, then you should try this drama. It is one of the most entertaining kdrama of this half year.
A boyfriend who doesn't want to kiss or hug, somenone you never have fun with and you go together for a trip for…
Kang Jae never really paid attention to her, to her needs and to her choices. This is why he was never in sync with here regarding skinship, proposing, having fun, going to a trip by themselves (they are not kids anymore) , camping, sleeping...
In fact Kang Jae is self centered and Woori is a trophy girlfriend for him. This is why he never knew that she fell in love with him first but he thinks he is the one who liked her first. After two years of dating, they should have discussed it to reveal the truth that she made things happen, not him.
The same way, he failed to learn about the true reason why she decided to abstain from sex. Not because of God, religion, virtue... but because her mom became pregnant before marriage and Woori thought her mom saw it (her) as a calamity that happened. Woori just wanted to avoid the same situation. So she abstained for the wrong reason. If Kang Jae had been more attentive to her, he would have known the truth. Possibly, he could have made her change her mind and sleep with him because Woori craved for skinship and kisses and she has plenty of imagination. Instead of that, he behaved like they absolutely needed to avoid anything "risky" on that matter (like you said). And this was frustrating for Woori.
These two were in a wrong relationship and the baby made it obvious with Kang Jae showing his true colors. Not only when he lied to her after acting against her choice but he said to her he is happy enough to see her. So why he cut short his vacation with her and went to work just because he had a new hint for his investigation? She was not his priority.
And after the break up, it was so easy for both of them to let go. Of course, it was a liberation.
What if that stalker guy wasn't dead just fainted and then escaped from the fridge by himself when it was still…
But the guy bled a lot and he was wrapped in a blanket. When FL opened the fridge, eveything looked clean and the blanket was not here. I don't think the stalker would have cleaned and taken the blanket with him before he leaves.
First guy to suspect is the ML. He had every access and time for that. I just still doubt the reason. Other theory; someone else who witnessed the events took the body.
I am 100% bec all the mystery going on is so weird
They are piling too many mysteries. The disappearance of the twin sister, the connection with the FL, the death of the stalker, the death of the woman in his appartment... All this in two episodes. A bit too much even if we know all these dots will be linked. Agree it looks weird so far but intriguing enough for me to watch and follow.
The Start-Up was the first drama to wake the second lead syndrome in me. This is the second. Ever. Since I started…
A boyfriend who doesn't want to kiss or hug, somenone you never have fun with and you go together for a trip for the first time after two years of dating and he says one thing but his actions speak something else... No that's not great boyfriend.
Yes. Because in the US version, that lady detective is an accomplice of Sin Rostro (Chairman Kim)
They should have deviated from the US version. She never looked suspicious and to charge her now like a mule and throw her under the bus is too lazy writing considering there is only a few eps left.
I am so disappointed by the acting of the FL. Im Soo Hyang. She constantly has this deer in the headlights look…
Woori is my favorite in this story even if she looks like a doormat at first. I like the evolution of her character. She started as a frustrated girlfriend in a bland relationship then got pregnant by accident. She treated the child as a thing to give away. Callled it "mallet". Then she started to invest herself, to love the baby, to act to protect him and work for his happiness. This is where she got rid of Kang Jae. Good decision. Then she moves on to fall for the other guy because he is nice to the baby and more fun and caring than her ex...
I agree the pairing is wrong. Raphael is inconsistent in his mood and behavior. From caring guy to stupid son to loud director of an hospital. And the actor playing him is so woodenface, It's annoying. I would really have preferred Lee Joon Huyk in the role but propably they wanted a goofy tone with that character.
Eps 5 and 6 are so good. I have the feeling they spent a lot of time next to each other and they have been fantasizing about it many times. Now that this dream of the future happened, they are trying to use it as a pretense to check on each other's real feelings and intention. I really like the game they play against each other when they obvioulsy like each other.
Second couple looks fun and is now taking a new direction. But I guess it will keep being a comic relief only. A third couple in the making? But that would mean Hong Ye Seul doesn't always see the future...? does she?
because chinnes is famous for this genre which automatically makes people think of it after seeing something similar?…
Do you know the Chinese drama called Joy of life? It's a wuxia xianxia drama. Well you know what? There is an anti material gun in it. Probably an american cal 0.50 Barrett M82. Did America tell the producers they plagiarized American weapons? So of course fictions can do what they want. As long as it is coherent. There is a Fantasy movie called Gardian of Galaxy. There is a giant duck in it.
You probably misread. I dit not say "culture is not identity". I said culture and its elements define an identity. Today, classic Mao suit defines China and is referred to as chinese. Was it the case 1000 years ago? No. Will it be the same in the next 100 years? Probably not Culture evolves and so does what defines and identifies a people or a country. Things like noodles identified China but identifies now Italy via pasta or Japan which developped their unique and recognizable ramen.
This is a worldwide process of exchange and inspiration for people and human societies. South Korea developped its dramas and movies and inspired themselves from others and now what they did identifies their own entertainment industry and makes their own fame.
Now there are these people who are nationalistic warriors who try to find in what others do what might be associated to what used to identify them, their people, their country. So they can claim it is theirs. They need that to feel that their culture is important and predominant and they want to find a pride in it.So they enter in a feud of arguments. They would call other stealing their culture and plagiarizing and it goes far to the point they would threaten each other.
"if they have these things in it, then they are openly admitting that they are plagiarizing, right?"
Reading this, you are probably one of these people I am talking about.
Don't worry, nobody stole your culture. Culture means reinventing, improving and evolving. All what it showed in this drama is 100% Daeho culture inspired from Korean culture which inspired itself from other culture like China which inspired itself from many culture around the world.
If you don't believe me, you can take your copyrights on Wuxia/Xianxia genre and go sue them to court. Like Hollywood would come sue China for copying Hollywood "action hero saving the world" movies when China made Wolf Warrior.
That would be something horrible. How could the ML face the FL knowing that her heart is the one of his abducted…
I agree with that and I also heard of these "special" connections in real life. But what part of the connection he has relates to the twin sister and what part relates to the FL? Does it mean that he and FL are especially connected just because of an organ she gained after a terrible murder?
That would be a terrible situation for both of them.
For the organ transplant, if the people who kidnapped and killed the sister are her mom and grandma I don't see…
If the theory of the organ transplant is true, I can't imagine any romance possible. If you add that her mom and grandma killed the twin sister, It's even worse. Because ML said if it was his sister he would kill the aggressor. So he would have to kill both her mom and grandma.
I don't believe the female lead is his sister can't be that at all ,, but I think of the organ transplant theory…
That would be something horrible. How could the ML face the FL knowing that her heart is the one of his abducted and murdered twin sister? Of course she is not responsible but to see a face that would always remind him the terrible demise of his twin sister?... Hard to take.
Plus, as in dramaworld, the question will be what made him closer to her then? Her own person? Or the heart he was able to connect to? Is this reel affection for her or affection for his deceased sister by substitution?
he def found the body and moved it somewhere especially since he noticed the bruises and everything and he knew…
That would make him an accomplice because it is unlawful to hide a corpse. In my country you can receive 2 years in jail and 30.000,00 dollar fine for that. I don't think their relationship is at a stage where he would risk that for her. For me it is more likely that the guy was not dead and left. Or an accomplice or a witness took the body. If you are right and he becomes involved this will be even darker than expected.
because chinnes is famous for this genre which automatically makes people think of it after seeing something similar?…
This drama is happening in a fictional country at a fictional time and they can use anything they want as long as it is consistent.
Culture is not something static that people own. It is something evolving and that is passed on. Italy created pasta from chinese noodles and China adopted the western clothing instead of traditional clothing for everyday life. Why Korea or any other country could not adopt hanfu clothes or mexican tacos or US hot dogs and make their of version of them?
What makes it Korean or Chinese is not the origin. It is the identity it refers to. Kimchi is not Chinese. Kimchi is Korean. It defines the Korean identity. Just like the clothes derived and inspired from Hanfu were korean because they were used and defined the korean identity at that time. The classic style mao jacket is typical of China and refers to chinese identity. Still it was influenced from western clothing modified with a traditional chinese collar.
The style changes and it will keep changing. But is will still be korean or chinese if it participates in defining the korean or the chinese identity.
People can say it gives them this or that vibe. The vibe belongs to them. I do not share that vibe as visually, for me all the costumes here just look same as the one in usual korean historical drama and defining them. Anyway here they are not Korean style. They are Daeho style in this drama. Same for the furniture, place, houses...
Wuxia and Xanxia have codes and specificities which defines chinese subgenres of fictions. But they are not in this drama so far. Personally I surely hope this drama creates its own identity and universe.
I think due to the fact that this specific genre (historical fantasy) is very popular in China and has thus been…
So far, I don't see any element to make an association between this drama and wuxia or xianxia. The swordwoman and swordman look of it is just like usual korean historical drama and the fantasy look of it doesn't refer to anything xianxia.
I also hope it will have its own distinctive style.
If you can watch without this reaction, then you should try this drama. It is one of the most entertaining kdrama of this half year.
In fact Kang Jae is self centered and Woori is a trophy girlfriend for him. This is why he never knew that she fell in love with him first but he thinks he is the one who liked her first. After two years of dating, they should have discussed it to reveal the truth that she made things happen, not him.
The same way, he failed to learn about the true reason why she decided to abstain from sex. Not because of God, religion, virtue... but because her mom became pregnant before marriage and Woori thought her mom saw it (her) as a calamity that happened. Woori just wanted to avoid the same situation. So she abstained for the wrong reason. If Kang Jae had been more attentive to her, he would have known the truth. Possibly, he could have made her change her mind and sleep with him because Woori craved for skinship and kisses and she has plenty of imagination. Instead of that, he behaved like they absolutely needed to avoid anything "risky" on that matter (like you said). And this was frustrating for Woori.
These two were in a wrong relationship and the baby made it obvious with Kang Jae showing his true colors. Not only when he lied to her after acting against her choice but he said to her he is happy enough to see her. So why he cut short his vacation with her and went to work just because he had a new hint for his investigation? She was not his priority.
And after the break up, it was so easy for both of them to let go. Of course, it was a liberation.
First guy to suspect is the ML. He had every access and time for that. I just still doubt the reason. Other theory; someone else who witnessed the events took the body.
I agree the pairing is wrong. Raphael is inconsistent in his mood and behavior. From caring guy to stupid son to loud director of an hospital. And the actor playing him is so woodenface, It's annoying. I would really have preferred Lee Joon Huyk in the role but propably they wanted a goofy tone with that character.
Second couple looks fun and is now taking a new direction. But I guess it will keep being a comic relief only. A third couple in the making? But that would mean Hong Ye Seul doesn't always see the future...? does she?
You probably misread. I dit not say "culture is not identity". I said culture and its elements define an identity. Today, classic Mao suit defines China and is referred to as chinese. Was it the case 1000 years ago? No. Will it be the same in the next 100 years? Probably not Culture evolves and so does what defines and identifies a people or a country. Things like noodles identified China but identifies now Italy via pasta or Japan which developped their unique and recognizable ramen.
This is a worldwide process of exchange and inspiration for people and human societies. South Korea developped its dramas and movies and inspired themselves from others and now what they did identifies their own entertainment industry and makes their own fame.
Now there are these people who are nationalistic warriors who try to find in what others do what might be associated to what used to identify them, their people, their country. So they can claim it is theirs. They need that to feel that their culture is important and predominant and they want to find a pride in it.So they enter in a feud of arguments. They would call other stealing their culture and plagiarizing and it goes far to the point they would threaten each other.
"if they have these things in it, then they are openly admitting that they are plagiarizing, right?"
Reading this, you are probably one of these people I am talking about.
Don't worry, nobody stole your culture. Culture means reinventing, improving and evolving. All what it showed in this drama is 100% Daeho culture inspired from Korean culture which inspired itself from other culture like China which inspired itself from many culture around the world.
If you don't believe me, you can take your copyrights on Wuxia/Xianxia genre and go sue them to court. Like Hollywood would come sue China for copying Hollywood "action hero saving the world" movies when China made Wolf Warrior.
That would be a terrible situation for both of them.
Plus, as in dramaworld, the question will be what made him closer to her then? Her own person? Or the heart he was able to connect to? Is this reel affection for her or affection for his deceased sister by substitution?
It would be a very sad thing...
Culture is not something static that people own. It is something evolving and that is passed on. Italy created pasta from chinese noodles and China adopted the western clothing instead of traditional clothing for everyday life. Why Korea or any other country could not adopt hanfu clothes or mexican tacos or US hot dogs and make their of version of them?
What makes it Korean or Chinese is not the origin. It is the identity it refers to. Kimchi is not Chinese. Kimchi is Korean. It defines the Korean identity. Just like the clothes derived and inspired from Hanfu were korean because they were used and defined the korean identity at that time. The classic style mao jacket is typical of China and refers to chinese identity. Still it was influenced from western clothing modified with a traditional chinese collar.
The style changes and it will keep changing. But is will still be korean or chinese if it participates in defining the korean or the chinese identity.
People can say it gives them this or that vibe. The vibe belongs to them. I do not share that vibe as visually, for me all the costumes here just look same as the one in usual korean historical drama and defining them. Anyway here they are not Korean style. They are Daeho style in this drama. Same for the furniture, place, houses...
Wuxia and Xanxia have codes and specificities which defines chinese subgenres of fictions. But they are not in this drama so far. Personally I surely hope this drama creates its own identity and universe.
I also hope it will have its own distinctive style.