The person who the king fell in love with and the person who ends up with the king are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT…
The show had three premises. One, the king needed to learn how to look at someone as an individual, not as someone from a powerful family. He accomplished this. The queen needed to learn how to express herself. She learned how to do this even learned to swear. Bong Hwan needed to learn how to treat women better and save himself from the mess he was in in the present. He accomplished this as well. This is why I don't see why everyone says this is a sad ending. Everyone learns what they are suppose to learn. They did it by working together and learning from each other.
So sorry, I just can't say that the king had a sad ending. In the end, the king said something to the effect that it seemed like something was missing, but he couldn't really figure out what it was. He did not seem sad about it as she started using honorifics. He became even more intrigued because she had never used them before. My interpretation of this is that he is eagerly awaiting to see what new things he could learn about her which I think is quite romantic. He seemed happy with the results based on what we learned from the history book.
Hope this helps you not feel so sad about the ending.
That's very interesting! But the question would be in which way does this series criticise or makes the spectators…
You are right. Most people will look at this drama as a simple love story and it can be deemed as such. That was the outward intention. However, when you look at all the easter eggs in this drama, it adds up to so much more. The End of Eternity is just one easter egg and the most important one as it provides the structure of the drama for the first 8 episodes, explains the female's childish voice throughout the entire drama, explains the parents gentle way of disciplining her, and so much more.
Another "hidden" easter egg is her fox drawing. It is a picture of a fox drinking milk saying, "Mia, Mia or girl, girl". There is a small girl with hearts coming out of her eyes looking at the fox. It is signed Rosy. She drew this when she was 17 right after the conversation in the dorm room, and she met DJX to get her essay workbook. He did not know that she was allergic to milk. She kept the bottle because it came from him. At this point in time, she looks and treats him like a brother, that is his identity and thus the unrequited love story begins as she misinterprets a great many things about him. But if he would have asked her to have sex with him when she was 17, she definitely would have consented based on that picture. It's because of his identity to her that it does not happen. We find out later in episode 23, that he liked her when she was 17, but he was just too embarrassed to say anything. Again, he believes her to be his sister. However, there are scenes that let you know that he is interested in her as more than a sister. This is why when you say it seems like he fell in love a little too quickly, it is because he was already in love with her before she turned 19.
As for your observation that they answer the question in the drama about when and whom. I disagree. Sang Zhi had three love interests throughout the entire drama. First, the boys who liked her when she was 14, 17, and 18/19. If she had chosen either of them, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Viewers accept same age sexual relationships, and there would have been no need for a social commentary on the age of consent law. By the way, the age of consent in China is 14. Age of majority is 18 (being an adult). Marriageable age is 20 for females and 22 for males. I will let you wrap your head around this one. Now do you understand why they started with her being 14 and not at the university level?
Also, this is why DJX had to be older than her. When he met her at 14 and he was 19, they could have had a sexual relationship legally, but was it morally right? The drama was saying, "No 14 year olds are still children." The same when she was 17 and he was 22 (by this time he was of marriageable age, but she was still a minor (even by the age of majority law). However, there is a gray area here. Biologically she is ready to have children, that is why the period scene is so important. But is she emotionally ready? Her family says, "No." That is why they are concerned about the "fake" older internet boyfriend. Again, legally, DJX and her could have carried on a sexual relationship, but is it morally right to do so. The drama is saying no, get to know each other first. This is why he became her tutor and her "brother". It is why he fell in love with her so quickly because he already knew her and cared about her and according to episode 23 was interested in her when she was 17, but was too embarrassed to say anything as this is not morally right.
When she reached 19, she is now considered an adult in the business world, but not socially (marriageable age), This is why the hospital scene is so important. She is considered adult enough to make her own choices about sex and employment, but she is not ready for marriage. Thus, why she speaks in a childish voice throughout much of the drama. She is still considered too young to get married.
There is so much more to this drama then what you have pointed out. It even reflects Zhao Lu Si's other popular work Love Like the Galaxy with the parents. You are right, how many people will think about a drama this much? The age group that it seems to be geared towards will not stop and think about it because their mindset is probably already changed. However, the older generation will still need convincing, and that is why the social commentary book is something that would be familiar to them.
Thank you for the discussion, I enjoyed your review and agree with you on most things, except that this is more than just a simple love story. Happy pondering.
Everything you find stupid in this drama was not in the novel. Both leads were logical, practical and smart in…
This drama obviously left an impression on you. I happen to agree with you, but I also ask myself why are the writers putting that message out there. What's the point? Could this be a social commentary on many different topics such as parenting, love, honor, filial piety, bullying, nepotism, favoritism, etc. All these topics seem to be relevant to today. Dramas don't have to be just a commercial work. Hollywood has been using TV shows and movies as social commentaries for years.
I apologize if I hurt your feelings with my previous comments. I have tried to correct them.
Everything you find stupid in this drama was not in the novel. Both leads were logical, practical and smart in…
Yue, you're right. Why is everybody, especially the girls, jealous of SS? This is a costume period piece of the Han dynasty where women had no say over their own lives. The only thing girls could control was whom they chose to love, and then all they could hope for was that the male loved them back. If the male didn't what choice did the girls have. They could remain single at home or join a nunnery. Hence, why all the female love interests for LBY. Power is a strong motivator for jealousy.
As for SS her love interests are based on the types of persuasion: ethos (law and order) LBY; pathos (emotions) Lou Yao; and logos (logic) Yuan. Remember she does not want to get married and is trying to make a name for herself, not her husband. She needs to be persuaded to marry any of them.
As for being homicidal, wouldn't you be if someone massacred your whole family? Even though it doesn't bring back the dead, at least you would feel like you did something to avenge their undeserved deaths. Put yourself in the male leads shoes and then in the female leads shoes. How would you have responded to everything knowing all the limitations placed on you?
Instead of reading Hidden Love read The End of Eternity; the book shown multiple times in the drama. It will give…
Here are four places you can go: Kindle (Amazon), Google Books (chapters 1-9 for free); or Internet Archive. You might also get it online at your local library.
Here is a brief summary of the book. It is a social commentary on the use of nuclear weapons during WWII intertwined with a love story.
Here are the three main relevant topics. First is the age gap of the couple. In The End of Eternity (TEE) the couple are five years apart: the male 32 and the female 27. The drama writers of Hidden Love lowered the age to five years and began at 14 for SZ which is the age of consent in China. Age of majority is 18 (able to conduct business and employment). Marriageable age is 20 (f)/22 (m). The four most important scenes in the drama for the age gaps: the doorway scene (14), the dorm and car scenes (17), and then the hospital scene (18).
Second is the male's job. Harlan is a Technician for a time-travel program called Eternity. His job is to travel through time and find places where inventions end up hurting many people. Then, he figures out a reality change with the least amount of impact on the present and future people called Timers. He is good at playing the "what if" game. During one of his trips he meets a woman named Noys and falls in love with her. Their love is forbidden because no one besides the people who work at Eternity know about Eternity. It is outside the realm of reality. When a reality change writes out Noys' existence, Harlan, takes her out of her reality and places her in the hidden centuries reality (outside of Eternity's reach). DJX is a gaming programmer. If I am correct his programs deal with making interactions between the characters more realistic and providing different outcomes based on those interactions. DJX starts hiding some of his interactions with SZ (the milk bottle scene, the bike ride, the promise he makes with SZ at the museum, and getting her a stuffed animal). All things that can be interpreted as dating interactions, but are also considered brotherly affection according to most commenters. In addition, these are done at her age of 17 (a moral gray area).
Finally, at the end the novel, we find out that Noys is the one who actually manipulated the present scenario. She wants Harlan to destroy Eternity, so that she and he can live happily ever after in a past reality. This includes sending a letter to a man in Italy to make sure the atomic bomb goes off in 1945. Sang Zhi is the manipulator from start to finish. She wants a happy ending just like the author of Hidden Love. She does everything she can with the limitations that she has to get the desired outcome, the paper stars. However, there is a cost for doing this her unrequited love from 14-17. DJX gives her an essay expressing how happy he is to see her again. He is manipulating the outcome as well just like his job.
This is a very well done story from the acting to the editing of each episode. The screenwriter(s) played the "what if" game with the characters in Hidden Love. Given the author's age at the time of major events in the novel Hidden Love (13-15), would the audience see DJX as a pervert? My answer is yes. This is why they went with the brother scenario. It was the safest choice. An even safer choice would have been doing a historical drama, wait already been done. But if they go with the brother scenario at 14, how will that play out three years later when she is 17and again when she turns 19? Hence the introduction of the fox toy, TEE, and the "essay". I will let you ponder the rest and let you draw your own conclusions. For me this is more than just a simple unrequited love story (been there, seen that), it explores women's sexuality at different ages. The perceptions held by the audience at the age of the girl determine how the next stage will be interpreted.
The novel will also give you another reason why Sang Zhi speaks in a childish voice throughout most of the drama. There are many other relevant items of the story to the drama, but I will let you discover those on your own if you choose to read TEE. Happy reading.
Yes, they do split up for 5 years. It is from episode 50 to episode 55. However, there is a good reason for the…
She says this about him, he, "repays grace with a grievance" (Viki) or "How can you repay kindness with evil?" (Fresh Drama). Before they break up, their whole relationship is based on this statement. He does everything that is romantic to win her favor (rescues her, makes her clothes, gives her a piggy back ride, etc.). She does the same thing rescues him, makes him armor, changes her reputation for him, etc. But the one thing neither of them do is treat each other as an equal. This is why they break up. He repays her grace with a grievance. I hope that I have not said too much.
rewatching again and i might read the novel again too
Instead of reading Hidden Love read The End of Eternity; the book shown multiple times in the drama. It will give you further insights behind the drama and why it was made the way it was.
I'm watching this rn and I'm on episode 40. i accidentally skipped to episode 50 and watched a few minutes of…
Yes, they do split up for 5 years. It is from episode 50 to episode 55. However, there is a good reason for the break up and many things go on during that break up that need to be dealt with. But I promise you they do get back together, and there is a happy ending.
Well done babe.... hope you have enjoyed it so far. And yesh. quite a few people have commented (mostly on weibo…
That makes more sense. What I saw of ZL's performance was what she did in other dramas, but then I only got to episode 15 for other reasons. So I can't really judge her performance here.
Well done babe.... hope you have enjoyed it so far. And yesh. quite a few people have commented (mostly on weibo…
If you are talking about Zhao Li Ying, she is not in Love Like the Galaxy. The main character Love Like the Galaxy is played by Zhao Lu Si. These two are very different actresses. Zhao Li Ying played in Princess Agents with the main lead. Fans really wanted a drama where the two had a happy ending. This was it.
was it ever explained why the goblin could stay after he died? beside of her blowing out a candle what made him…
I watched 16 out of 19 episodes. I have a hard time watching the fantasy genre, but wanted to watch this because of all the rave reviews. For me, the story did not make sense, so if you watch it and can tell me why the Goblin needed a wife to pull out his sword, let me know. Otherwise, to me it was just an older guy fantasy about having a younger girlfriend. I thought midlife crisis.
So sorry, I just can't say that the king had a sad ending. In the end, the king said something to the effect that it seemed like something was missing, but he couldn't really figure out what it was. He did not seem sad about it as she started using honorifics. He became even more intrigued because she had never used them before. My interpretation of this is that he is eagerly awaiting to see what new things he could learn about her which I think is quite romantic. He seemed happy with the results based on what we learned from the history book.
Hope this helps you not feel so sad about the ending.
Another "hidden" easter egg is her fox drawing. It is a picture of a fox drinking milk saying, "Mia, Mia or girl, girl". There is a small girl with hearts coming out of her eyes looking at the fox. It is signed Rosy. She drew this when she was 17 right after the conversation in the dorm room, and she met DJX to get her essay workbook. He did not know that she was allergic to milk. She kept the bottle because it came from him. At this point in time, she looks and treats him like a brother, that is his identity and thus the unrequited love story begins as she misinterprets a great many things about him. But if he would have asked her to have sex with him when she was 17, she definitely would have consented based on that picture. It's because of his identity to her that it does not happen. We find out later in episode 23, that he liked her when she was 17, but he was just too embarrassed to say anything. Again, he believes her to be his sister. However, there are scenes that let you know that he is interested in her as more than a sister. This is why when you say it seems like he fell in love a little too quickly, it is because he was already in love with her before she turned 19.
As for your observation that they answer the question in the drama about when and whom. I disagree. Sang Zhi had three love interests throughout the entire drama. First, the boys who liked her when she was 14, 17, and 18/19. If she had chosen either of them, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Viewers accept same age sexual relationships, and there would have been no need for a social commentary on the age of consent law. By the way, the age of consent in China is 14. Age of majority is 18 (being an adult). Marriageable age is 20 for females and 22 for males. I will let you wrap your head around this one. Now do you understand why they started with her being 14 and not at the university level?
Also, this is why DJX had to be older than her. When he met her at 14 and he was 19, they could have had a sexual relationship legally, but was it morally right? The drama was saying, "No 14 year olds are still children." The same when she was 17 and he was 22 (by this time he was of marriageable age, but she was still a minor (even by the age of majority law). However, there is a gray area here. Biologically she is ready to have children, that is why the period scene is so important. But is she emotionally ready? Her family says, "No." That is why they are concerned about the "fake" older internet boyfriend. Again, legally, DJX and her could have carried on a sexual relationship, but is it morally right to do so. The drama is saying no, get to know each other first. This is why he became her tutor and her "brother". It is why he fell in love with her so quickly because he already knew her and cared about her and according to episode 23 was interested in her when she was 17, but was too embarrassed to say anything as this is not morally right.
When she reached 19, she is now considered an adult in the business world, but not socially (marriageable age), This is why the hospital scene is so important. She is considered adult enough to make her own choices about sex and employment, but she is not ready for marriage. Thus, why she speaks in a childish voice throughout much of the drama. She is still considered too young to get married.
There is so much more to this drama then what you have pointed out. It even reflects Zhao Lu Si's other popular work Love Like the Galaxy with the parents. You are right, how many people will think about a drama this much? The age group that it seems to be geared towards will not stop and think about it because their mindset is probably already changed. However, the older generation will still need convincing, and that is why the social commentary book is something that would be familiar to them.
Thank you for the discussion, I enjoyed your review and agree with you on most things, except that this is more than just a simple love story. Happy pondering.
I apologize if I hurt your feelings with my previous comments. I have tried to correct them.
As for SS her love interests are based on the types of persuasion: ethos (law and order) LBY; pathos (emotions) Lou Yao; and logos (logic) Yuan. Remember she does not want to get married and is trying to make a name for herself, not her husband. She needs to be persuaded to marry any of them.
As for being homicidal, wouldn't you be if someone massacred your whole family? Even though it doesn't bring back the dead, at least you would feel like you did something to avenge their undeserved deaths. Put yourself in the male leads shoes and then in the female leads shoes. How would you have responded to everything knowing all the limitations placed on you?
Here is a brief summary of the book. It is a social commentary on the use of nuclear weapons during WWII intertwined with a love story.
Here are the three main relevant topics. First is the age gap of the couple. In The End of Eternity (TEE) the couple are five years apart: the male 32 and the female 27. The drama writers of Hidden Love lowered the age to five years and began at 14 for SZ which is the age of consent in China. Age of majority is 18 (able to conduct business and employment). Marriageable age is 20 (f)/22 (m). The four most important scenes in the drama for the age gaps: the doorway scene (14), the dorm and car scenes (17), and then the hospital scene (18).
Second is the male's job. Harlan is a Technician for a time-travel program called Eternity. His job is to travel through time and find places where inventions end up hurting many people. Then, he figures out a reality change with the least amount of impact on the present and future people called Timers. He is good at playing the "what if" game. During one of his trips he meets a woman named Noys and falls in love with her. Their love is forbidden because no one besides the people who work at Eternity know about Eternity. It is outside the realm of reality. When a reality change writes out Noys' existence, Harlan, takes her out of her reality and places her in the hidden centuries reality (outside of Eternity's reach). DJX is a gaming programmer. If I am correct his programs deal with making interactions between the characters more realistic and providing different outcomes based on those interactions. DJX starts hiding some of his interactions with SZ (the milk bottle scene, the bike ride, the promise he makes with SZ at the museum, and getting her a stuffed animal). All things that can be interpreted as dating interactions, but are also considered brotherly affection according to most commenters. In addition, these are done at her age of 17 (a moral gray area).
Finally, at the end the novel, we find out that Noys is the one who actually manipulated the present scenario. She wants Harlan to destroy Eternity, so that she and he can live happily ever after in a past reality. This includes sending a letter to a man in Italy to make sure the atomic bomb goes off in 1945. Sang Zhi is the manipulator from start to finish. She wants a happy ending just like the author of Hidden Love. She does everything she can with the limitations that she has to get the desired outcome, the paper stars. However, there is a cost for doing this her unrequited love from 14-17. DJX gives her an essay expressing how happy he is to see her again. He is manipulating the outcome as well just like his job.
This is a very well done story from the acting to the editing of each episode. The screenwriter(s) played the "what if" game with the characters in Hidden Love. Given the author's age at the time of major events in the novel Hidden Love (13-15), would the audience see DJX as a pervert? My answer is yes. This is why they went with the brother scenario. It was the safest choice. An even safer choice would have been doing a historical drama, wait already been done. But if they go with the brother scenario at 14, how will that play out three years later when she is 17and again when she turns 19? Hence the introduction of the fox toy, TEE, and the "essay". I will let you ponder the rest and let you draw your own conclusions. For me this is more than just a simple unrequited love story (been there, seen that), it explores women's sexuality at different ages. The perceptions held by the audience at the age of the girl determine how the next stage will be interpreted.
The novel will also give you another reason why Sang Zhi speaks in a childish voice throughout most of the drama. There are many other relevant items of the story to the drama, but I will let you discover those on your own if you choose to read TEE. Happy reading.