SPOILER for those who haven't watched ep 9!!! Anyone who wants to see the full kiss scene *blush*....check this…
It is drama in historical setting - we should not forget it when we judge actions of characters. It is backgoud.
About this kiss.....
She was very frighten and confused. Same time seems that creators set up cause of her death....seems that she has something wrong with her heart. After flashback shock she feels pains in chest and doesnt feel well, this frightens her even more.
4th gets ripped down from emotional bliss after her rain-making, he gained his fathers trust but....his mother pretend of satisfication and reconciling with him and betrays him once again. It hurts, he feels thrown back to bottom, nothing caunts but still there is tiny spot of light what he has now.
When they met feeling of need to own her in his life is overhelming but she pushes him away and seems out of herself. His words and pleas doesnt seem come thru...and he jumps into action, to get her feel his need, his plea.
He has personality what never gives in, this was key how he survived his dark times.
Why is HS so frightened?
She was pulled into strange place, different era, full of strangers, with rules what she dont know. Bit by bit she learns and people around her .....she isnt in blame for it, are princes and princesses, queens a.s.o.aka people with power and powerful ties.For her, who came from world without this kind differences, they are just people - friends and new family, people to cherish and keep dear. During drama they remain to be same for her but she learns rules of this world.
But now she suddenly sees how her friends and family are slain by one who is friend too...and she has doubts that she might be on who can be trigger or cause for thous events. How would you feel in same situation? Desperate? Frighten? ....Did you think that you dont have right to judge someone only bc you saw\know something? Or you go thru different levels of emotions, be total mess?Feel guilt, without sin of any kind?
She goes first to person who has given her comfort before, 8th. Then to person about whom he knows who must have similar expierence but then she sees that his experience is oopsite to her - he came from past to future and then back to past.And his words doesnt fit with her feelings.
Her mind and heart are in chaos, her chest has pain attacks...she goes out, for air or medcine, we dont know and meets with person who is cause, at least she thinks so, for all troubles and pain to come....and lead blasts off...she plurts out all her fear, horror and pain. Nothing what 4th feels in that moment or tells doesnt reach to her.
When he kisses her, first she fights back and this not only bc of kiss, it is terrorising fear in her, even if this was 8th to kiss her- she would have behaved same.
After first kiss comes second and seems that plea of 4th comes thru, her body relaxes.
Yes, this isnt romantic sweet kiss, this is kiss of despair and misery.
All lot of people are hating on IU's acting and if you see the amount of upvotes on those hate comments, its like…
Any scandal in Korea doesnt have strong impact if it isnt backed by powerful people. In her album she mocked thous creepy pedo ahjussis who exploited her when she was still starting singer. It is well know that "sponsors" in Korea all arent interested on profit only what their investment can bring. So her company forced this lolita image upon her and didnt protect her from thous creeps and ahjussi stalker-fans, add here their wives and girlfriends. This album is her confession, still very subtle and tiny but seems that she wanted it out of her BUT....... someone didnt like it, her company didnt protect her. Only ones to try protect are fellow artists who have stand up for her.
K-Netz are blind crowd who like make itself importand on cost of others, they are so easy to lead and use. They dont think, they dont analyze. Few payd-off commenters\bloggers and thous really exist in Korea, get money, and start rumours - Knetz follow like in transe. It grows like snowball and even when all facts are open and shown they still deny truth bc it takes away their feeling of power and importance. Pathetic.
Just saw Episode 9 and finally understand why all this hype about IU's acting is going around! To be very honest…
Feeling what you get is different by versions what you watch- International or Korean one.
They do adaptation of novel, what is original, not chinese drama BUT they mix it with Korean history what makes things bit different. In Korean history 4th is kinda similar to chinese 4th one reason why they use this king and his sons for drama but many things in Korean history are different from novel. So i think they wave in all moments from novel what fit but stay true to historical facts......and it means outcome might be not same like it wasin chinese drama. It is possibility, we dont know yet :D
All lot of people are hating on IU's acting and if you see the amount of upvotes on those hate comments, its like…
Even LJK said that he could act with her freely and she is good partner, better than he expected. He is professional, if he was ok with her acting then.....
DON'T READ THIS UNLESS YOU WANT TO GET SPOILED BY A HISTORY LESSON - It really does suck that Hae Soo does not…
And as we know, afrer crown prince, 3th gets to be king, for short time but still he starts ruling with reducing power of royal family. It takes 6 years from king Taejo death to 4th become king. They can shorten that time in series but ...
DON'T READ THIS UNLESS YOU WANT TO GET SPOILED BY A HISTORY LESSON - It really does suck that Hae Soo does not…
Erm.....she didnt change bc it was same before and after, she just performed role what fate gave her and thats all. She didnt make anything better or worse with her actions, all her actions were fated and suppose to happen, despite her knowing history aka future. There isnt chicken or egg situation.
What i want is that there was difference in the end, that her actions what triggered events to move in fated way get countered by her intentions and history take different course....this is what i hope from k-version.
p.s. If 4th kills 8th before 8th can have kids - there isnt same line of kings in history than now is....so, there must be change to have same history what we know now.
DON'T READ THIS UNLESS YOU WANT TO GET SPOILED BY A HISTORY LESSON - It really does suck that Hae Soo does not…
In both versions they are catalysts. Bc chinese version has ended we know that actual histoy didnt change. I mean history before she fall into past and after is same.
Mine hope is that in korean version outcome would be different, her flashmemories are about future what doesnt happen, at least not in same order and reason.
Creators have in hand powerful tool - they set rules. And we can only hope.
BBJX was mostly devastationg bc she set it in motion, she knew what is coming but couldnt do anything in the end. This made me feel that all her life in past was meaningless torture of audience. You cant change fate, you must accept what is coming, dont fight back.....depressing.
Mine hope for SHR feeds form history but like i said creators are ones who deside....
DON'T READ THIS UNLESS YOU WANT TO GET SPOILED BY A HISTORY LESSON - It really does suck that Hae Soo does not…
In history 8th had not only son but daughters too, his and 4th bloodline blends tightly.
I hope they take for base of drama histoy and just use SH novel for garnire and triggers. This way they can use her "change" history to this what we know from something what she knew. Then flashes become events what should have happened but didnt happen, her coming into past gets meaning and reason. In chinese version her coming into past had only romantical meaning, she wasnt able to change anything what was coming and she even didnt want to change it itself. One reason why she held back was that she remembered that she doesnt have place in history - so she cant take it. I hope in Korean version she wants change things and can do it.
But we see what scriptwriters and production staff thought about....:D
Still....hope dies last!
I wonder why this very important scene was cut out from episode 8. Their conversation and emotions after the makeup…
Both versions have scenes what other version doesnt have. Thous scenes change episode completely: one is emotionally very powerful and impact of ending scene is strong, other has more palace intrigue\politics and ending scene is ruined by repeating that foreboding vision, what once was perfect....seeing it second time lessens impact.
Seems that there are two different concepts for this story within production staff.
It is one of dramas what i always recommend to people who like dramas what deal with question : Are monsters born or made? There are few more what go with this theme well.
To thous who plan to start this drama I suggest look at statistics tab here and you see that majority liked this drama a lot. Very few ones doesnt like it or find it to be so-so.
it was bad, it was fake, and at the end it was as if the actors were forcing themselves to look natural .... good…
@BeautifulSwan ....yes if this happens in average burger restaurant it is horrible BUT here people came to Korean chilli and carlic gourmee restourant and they complain that food is too spicy. Is it fault of recipe maker or chef or customers? Whom to blame? Gorgeus looks of chef who blinded them? Perfect interior design of restourant? Or...
Debate is noble and healthy thing, it is older than we but it needs skills :D :D :D
p.s. Side note: Genres here, in drama profile isnt fitting drama in my point of view:.
Comedy.....not much comedy here, few scenes to easy some moments.
Fantasy ...ok. it is
Melodrama ....not much melo, what happens is something different
Romance ...ok. it is but not in classical romcom sence
Suspense ...ok. a lot of it here
IF it was up to me i would marked: Fantasy, Sci-fi, Suspense, Romance, Comedy.
it was bad, it was fake, and at the end it was as if the actors were forcing themselves to look natural .... good…
@ Dramamddict1207 - sry english isnt mine first language, it isnt even mine...ups! my second language but fourth.... so im not good in grammar or spell. I have blogs but they are in my native language and not about dramas, so it is hard to squeeze explanation of this drama into. But mine...ups! again, what a slippery word or maybe it is fault of shampoo? my PM here is open if you want explanations, just ask questions and i try answer in mine....aahh! this is disaster! my crippled english. :D <3
it was bad, it was fake, and at the end it was as if the actors were forcing themselves to look natural .... good…
Despite all shampoo on mine hair I try to answer you:
First - sry I have edited mine post, maybe it makes mine thoughts clearer.
Second - like i said, for me this fits more audience. There wasnt multiple plots \or burgers\ what didnt fit the story. Every detail was important for flow and logic, even tiniest one. All twist explained one aspect of invisible borders within they were, they needed find way to survive but when they happened step out of from border - there was backslash. And why thous backslashes happened, it was explained. No they didnt sit back and made presentation for you - how and why....aka the ydidnt precook burgers for you, they gave to you raw burgers in hope that you have cooking skills aka you can focus and analyze. so all answers are there.
This was incredible writing \ reminded to me many good sci-fi writers \ what was well acted out.
If you have questions I try answer them but in PM bc i try i t make slow and detailed aks it would be one damn long post.
Now i need rinse mine hair.... :D
it was bad, it was fake, and at the end it was as if the actors were forcing themselves to look natural .... good…
@Johnson-Shampoo ....nice paralel but here it fits more to audience than to creators.
I would reword moral : IF you have given 5 burgers and you have 3 burger pan - use your brain or you burn your leg and burgers too \and this isnt fault of them who gave you 5 burgers\. :D :D :D
p.s. Second thought.....maybe it IS their fault bc they overraated your cooking skills. O.O They should have given to you already cooked burgers and feed you with spoon - to be sure that you get your fill.
Aaah, now i got hungry again, I want burgers....but i need wash mine hair, yes with johnson shampoo and i dont have time for both T.T
OK - there are a lot of disappointed people complaining in this forum - but I do believe there would have been…
@TeleriFrerchNyfan - I agree with you
@Johnson-Shampo - Yes there wasnt pigeons pulled from hat but was white rabbit.
So everyone complains bc of it?
Btw.that rabbit had nice fur, I think they washed it with johnsons shampoo to get this gorgeusly shiny outcome what blinded everyone ....:P
About this kiss.....
She was very frighten and confused. Same time seems that creators set up cause of her death....seems that she has something wrong with her heart. After flashback shock she feels pains in chest and doesnt feel well, this frightens her even more.
4th gets ripped down from emotional bliss after her rain-making, he gained his fathers trust but....his mother pretend of satisfication and reconciling with him and betrays him once again. It hurts, he feels thrown back to bottom, nothing caunts but still there is tiny spot of light what he has now.
When they met feeling of need to own her in his life is overhelming but she pushes him away and seems out of herself. His words and pleas doesnt seem come thru...and he jumps into action, to get her feel his need, his plea.
He has personality what never gives in, this was key how he survived his dark times.
Why is HS so frightened?
She was pulled into strange place, different era, full of strangers, with rules what she dont know. Bit by bit she learns and people around her .....she isnt in blame for it, are princes and princesses, queens a.s.o.aka people with power and powerful ties.For her, who came from world without this kind differences, they are just people - friends and new family, people to cherish and keep dear. During drama they remain to be same for her but she learns rules of this world.
But now she suddenly sees how her friends and family are slain by one who is friend too...and she has doubts that she might be on who can be trigger or cause for thous events. How would you feel in same situation? Desperate? Frighten? ....Did you think that you dont have right to judge someone only bc you saw\know something? Or you go thru different levels of emotions, be total mess?Feel guilt, without sin of any kind?
She goes first to person who has given her comfort before, 8th. Then to person about whom he knows who must have similar expierence but then she sees that his experience is oopsite to her - he came from past to future and then back to past.And his words doesnt fit with her feelings.
Her mind and heart are in chaos, her chest has pain attacks...she goes out, for air or medcine, we dont know and meets with person who is cause, at least she thinks so, for all troubles and pain to come....and lead blasts off...she plurts out all her fear, horror and pain. Nothing what 4th feels in that moment or tells doesnt reach to her.
When he kisses her, first she fights back and this not only bc of kiss, it is terrorising fear in her, even if this was 8th to kiss her- she would have behaved same.
After first kiss comes second and seems that plea of 4th comes thru, her body relaxes.
Yes, this isnt romantic sweet kiss, this is kiss of despair and misery.
K-Netz are blind crowd who like make itself importand on cost of others, they are so easy to lead and use. They dont think, they dont analyze. Few payd-off commenters\bloggers and thous really exist in Korea, get money, and start rumours - Knetz follow like in transe. It grows like snowball and even when all facts are open and shown they still deny truth bc it takes away their feeling of power and importance. Pathetic.
They do adaptation of novel, what is original, not chinese drama BUT they mix it with Korean history what makes things bit different. In Korean history 4th is kinda similar to chinese 4th one reason why they use this king and his sons for drama but many things in Korean history are different from novel. So i think they wave in all moments from novel what fit but stay true to historical facts......and it means outcome might be not same like it wasin chinese drama. It is possibility, we dont know yet :D
Majority liked it.:D
But if you cant handle fantasy\sci-fi with deep concept and want light romcom fluff or cheesy mysteri - it isnt your cup of tea.
What i want is that there was difference in the end, that her actions what triggered events to move in fated way get countered by her intentions and history take different course....this is what i hope from k-version.
p.s. If 4th kills 8th before 8th can have kids - there isnt same line of kings in history than now is....so, there must be change to have same history what we know now.
Mine hope is that in korean version outcome would be different, her flashmemories are about future what doesnt happen, at least not in same order and reason.
Creators have in hand powerful tool - they set rules. And we can only hope.
BBJX was mostly devastationg bc she set it in motion, she knew what is coming but couldnt do anything in the end. This made me feel that all her life in past was meaningless torture of audience. You cant change fate, you must accept what is coming, dont fight back.....depressing.
Mine hope for SHR feeds form history but like i said creators are ones who deside....
I hope they take for base of drama histoy and just use SH novel for garnire and triggers. This way they can use her "change" history to this what we know from something what she knew. Then flashes become events what should have happened but didnt happen, her coming into past gets meaning and reason. In chinese version her coming into past had only romantical meaning, she wasnt able to change anything what was coming and she even didnt want to change it itself. One reason why she held back was that she remembered that she doesnt have place in history - so she cant take it. I hope in Korean version she wants change things and can do it.
But we see what scriptwriters and production staff thought about....:D
Still....hope dies last!
Seems that there are two different concepts for this story within production staff.
Dont get frightened by comments here :D
Debate is noble and healthy thing, it is older than we but it needs skills :D :D :D
p.s. Side note: Genres here, in drama profile isnt fitting drama in my point of view:.
Comedy.....not much comedy here, few scenes to easy some moments.
Fantasy ...ok. it is
Melodrama ....not much melo, what happens is something different
Romance ...ok. it is but not in classical romcom sence
Suspense ...ok. a lot of it here
IF it was up to me i would marked: Fantasy, Sci-fi, Suspense, Romance, Comedy.
First - sry I have edited mine post, maybe it makes mine thoughts clearer.
Second - like i said, for me this fits more audience. There wasnt multiple plots \or burgers\ what didnt fit the story. Every detail was important for flow and logic, even tiniest one. All twist explained one aspect of invisible borders within they were, they needed find way to survive but when they happened step out of from border - there was backslash. And why thous backslashes happened, it was explained. No they didnt sit back and made presentation for you - how and why....aka the ydidnt precook burgers for you, they gave to you raw burgers in hope that you have cooking skills aka you can focus and analyze. so all answers are there.
This was incredible writing \ reminded to me many good sci-fi writers \ what was well acted out.
If you have questions I try answer them but in PM bc i try i t make slow and detailed aks it would be one damn long post.
Now i need rinse mine hair.... :D
I would reword moral : IF you have given 5 burgers and you have 3 burger pan - use your brain or you burn your leg and burgers too \and this isnt fault of them who gave you 5 burgers\. :D :D :D
p.s. Second thought.....maybe it IS their fault bc they overraated your cooking skills. O.O They should have given to you already cooked burgers and feed you with spoon - to be sure that you get your fill.
Aaah, now i got hungry again, I want burgers....but i need wash mine hair, yes with johnson shampoo and i dont have time for both T.T
@Johnson-Shampo - Yes there wasnt pigeons pulled from hat but was white rabbit.
So everyone complains bc of it?
Btw.that rabbit had nice fur, I think they washed it with johnsons shampoo to get this gorgeusly shiny outcome what blinded everyone ....:P