SandGirl_Nicky

It’s nothing like the webtoon

Very enjoyable, the FL & ML had great chemistry and the plot line was pretty good, though the villains felt a bit too shallow.

What I can’t understand is the insane backlash. The work is fictitious, they are in no way distorting history (unlike other productions such as Bridgerton and the Crown), they only delved into a parallel type of universe whereby the Korean Monarchy survived into the current day. They did not alter anything that happened in the past, so why the backlash? Utterly nonsensical.

I wasn’t blaming men at all. In fact I was blaming the overly unrealistic expectations that dramas and novels have created within women’s minds. My point was that women should express their needs and wants in a positive way and patiently guide their men on that learning journey, the outcome can be incredibly rewarding.

I found it a super easy read, the translation that is provided in the Recent Discussions section is really nice and has a good flow.

Also in the novel they have a baby, and how that baby was born was specifically significant because it brought the last bit of healing to the FL’s sense of guilt.

Great drama, very intense chemistry between the ML and FL, nice acting, and pretty good plot line (with some hiccups though).

They’ve changed quite a lot from the novel, and while the drama is enjoyable, somehow the FL’s growth in the novel is more meaningful and I wish they had gone down that plot instead of the one we got in the drama. The ML in the novel is also much stronger. He didn’t give an eff about Jiang Yan, and became a company CEO utterly independent from the Lu family so he could protect her from their interference, something he couldn’t do for his mum. His life is much more tragic in the novel too.

Spoiler below regarding the ending from the novel.

I think you’ll have a hard time trying to find a man who is so understanding despite his gf hurting him over and over again. It’s obvious that in his case it was a consequence of his trauma from what his mum did, but most men are unlikely to be like that, and not just men, nobody has the obligation to accept being hurt and having their trust abused by their loved ones over and over again.

In their case they were very young and indeed didn’t know what they were doing, but that doesn’t change the fact that she had hurt him deeply. I’d say in time she realised she was wrong (more so in the novel) and put in the effort to change, so things worked out for them, but in real life such relationships are more likely to end than thrive.

Not saying it was wrong of him to forgive her, only that irl not many would behave that way.

I have no idea what you were trying to say in your reply but most men do say what they want if you ask them, though generally their needs are easier to predict. It’s an empirically proven fact. There have been many studies about it if you’re interested to read them. Anyway communication and patience is still key.

Utter nonsense. The drama is out already, why would CL seek to smear her post-release? Zero logic. And why would anybody find issue in using a stunt-double for stunts? The blurring has nothing to with her but the poor post-production editing. Smh.

I’m glad that the drama touches on a pretty important issue, but I don’t think that it’s giving the correct message in how to find a solution to said issue: in a relationship/marriage most men do not know what women want - women want the guy to do things without being asked, men have no clue what the woman thinks.

Personally had that happen in my marriage, and the only solution was for me to open my mouth and tell him what I wanted.

Unrealistic romance dramas and novels have misled women into believing that men know what women think or want. WRONG. Men might do their best and still be clueless because they’re just wired differently. Many men have zero examples of what a fulfilling relationship between a man and a woman is, so how would they know what they’re supposed to do to please a woman? Moreover, most men don’t watch and read the romantic stuff women do. Their expectation is that the woman will tell him, yet women have the expectation that the guy will just find out on his own.

What is needed is positive communication of one’s desires and time. Initially my husband didn’t even think of making me a coffee in the morning, now I get both coffee and a full breakfast, sometimes even in bed if I’m unwell. Men learn but they need time and for their women to be patient.

Relationships are hard work, but very rewarding if both parties are willing. And this goes not just for marriages but even familial relationships and friendships.

The drama was rather enjoyable. There were a few hiccups here and there, mainly in the second half, but it was a pleasant watch nonetheless. My husband watched quite a bit of it with me, and the both of us agreed that the ML truly stole the show.

There is nothing worse than a lukewarm relationship. Being possessive of the person you love and are willing to spend your whole life with is most normal, and expected even. Obviously without going into irrational territory, but I’ve seen none of that in the drama so far.

I’ll take a man who knows what he wants and has the guts to carry out his will + also challenges me, over somebody who is overly differential and is a personality-less “green flag”.

People saying the ML is a red flag either must have never been in a relationship and are bitter about it or they live in some kind of parallel reality to this one lol.

You brought up the smallpox example and I gave you another. You obviously haven’t read the trials. An important part was about exploitations of humans in the name of medicine without consent. No medical procedure can be done to a person without their consent or in the case of children (as they cannot consent) - their parents, and the dead - their next of kin.

Interestingly enough Ancient China had very severe laws on unsanctioned exploitation as well, including the dead.

And no, I’m not an American. In Ancient China, people could sue for malpractice, fraud, cheating, theft, murder etc.

Desecrating bodies wasn’t just morally wrong and even up to this day it is a crime in most countries for good reason.

The Nuremberg trials dictate that people have absolute authority over their own bodies and health and NOBODY can take it away. I don’t care for what purpose, but she had no right to do what she did and were any of my family similarly mutilated I would sue the practitioner.

Inspector Du such a great man… ah

Lmao, who is stopping you from giving your opinion? I just completely disagree with it as is my right. Talk about echo chamber.

It’s not my problem that you took issue with me calling out the sporadic lack of morality in this drama

I’ve lived in absolute poverty, don’t you tell me bullshit about the things one does to get money. More guilt for the big perpetrators doesn’t mean less guilt for that female technician or those despicable women. Surrogacy is utterly wrong and should have never been allowed, and in truth in many countries it is forbidden, rightfully so. Making money out of children, how is that any different to child trafficking?

I don’t see the issue with watching something and enjoying some aspects while being critical of others. The whole point of this forum is to discuss such things.

Likewise to your suggestion that I drop the drama, I’ll say - don’t like my comments, don’t read them.

Will you similarly defend women making children for money without a care for their child’s fate, whereby most of those kids are abused by their family? Those women had zero care for what would happen to the children they bore, only the money they were promised but didn’t get. Utterly despicable.