As a guy, I lost all respect for Qi Heng after he allowed his long-time servant to be beaten to death.Ting Ye…
Baby I'm NOT reading alladat. I was very clear and detailed in my previous comment.
That's just NOT how people who FINALLY find comfort and fall in love after 17+ years of straight abuse, trials, and tribulations' brains work. But I'm not about to sit here and argue semantics with you when you're stuck in your ways and refuse to understand the storytelling behind both of their actions. You know you're wrong, and you also know why the story was written that way. You just hated it because it didn't go the way you wanted to anticipate it. Good for you. Sit with that.
Imma have dinner. Start this discussion elsewhere and with somebody else. Bye.
You really need to learn the difference between having a similar role and “copying” someone, playing a female…
You a real sick bitch....OMG, Like you real coocoo. PLEASE LEAVE THESE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN ALONE. and take Li Ying picture from your profile you fucking weirdo! you're so damn disgusting spreading lies and hate on these women trying to start non-existent fanwars. tighten up and get a job!
Both are equally good! Obviously you are a ZLY fan, but it's OK. Surpringly, I find it easier to understand SOML…
You a real piece a work aint you?? Ho, where do you live; drop that location cause you obviously looking for a beating! It's fine not to like an actress, it's straight if you think they're bad at their job and can't act. But at your grown ass age you're on the internet spreading lies because you're a fan of her "rival" BITCH......YOU A WEIRDO! get a fucking job and tighten up ho!
You literally went on a rating/watch spree on all of Seven Tang dramas....Why? didn't you say a while back she can't act? why is you in the comments of her airing drama still talking shit? Do you know you've left over 8 comments of total bullshit already? GO WATCH YOUR ASS!!!
Tan Songyun has no talent and cannot act, the plot is full of loopholes, once everything ends nobody will talk…
DO YOU WANT A fucking COOKIE? I can assure you that Li Ying won't suck your pussy, eat your ass or suck your dick when you're online spreading unwarranted hate on a woman that bothers nobody. Worst thing is the topic of conversation had nothing to do with the lead actors. GET TF ON YOU STUP!D ASS HO!
starting to get real irritated. This drama should've ended already. I don't know why the hell they changed schedule for. They honestly just milking at this point. Imma be so pissed off if the ending is rushed or lackluster.
As a guy, I lost all respect for Qi Heng after he allowed his long-time servant to be beaten to death.Ting Ye…
NO! It's because of that very reason why she wasn't told. She knows how to hide her emotions well. She also fell in love and became somewhat unlike herself, meaning she began to openly express what she was feeling instead of hiding it to protect herself.
If she had known, her reaction would've been pretentious and possibly seen through. It was also a scheme that ONLY needed the involved IMPORTANT parties to know for it to work. She didn't need to know everything, and again, it was for her own good and protection. Why would he want to involve the mother of his child and his wife in the fight between royals? Why would he want her more involved than she already was simply because she married him? The more people that know, the less likely it would come off as believable. Just like Minglan didn't tell her grandmother about her plans with Concubine Lin! I wonder why that is, huh? Cause if and when it should all go bust, Granny wouldn't be blamed for scheming to get a concubine killed or destroying the image of the family.
Same with the other situation and why Ting Ye didn't tell Ming'er; she could at least return to her maternal home or at least save her child and maternal family instead of having them massacred with the Marquis.
They didn't mess up her character. All they did was show her finally being expressive with her emotions without the need to hide what she feels in fear of those around her. She loved her husband enough to not be composed and calculative when he was in danger.
As a guy, I lost all respect for Qi Heng after he allowed his long-time servant to be beaten to death.Ting Ye…
It was the correct decision not to tell her. There was no telling whether they would succeed or fail so the less she knew the better protected she would be!
your comment reminded me of Napoleon divorced Joséphine de Beauharnais because she could not give him an heir.
I never said it was okay for him to divorce her. I said given the time period it’s perfectly JUSTIFIED for him to want to take a concubine to secure an heir!
Back then it's always women that's to blame for not producing sons, when in fact it's the male's sperm. It's only…
She had maids close to her. If any of them were willing, she should have taken in that person as a concubine instead, under an agreement that she would adopt the child should it be a male so that he could be legitimized. After, if they’re willing, the maid could either stay as a concubine or be paid with a few silver or gold taels and sent out to live her own life as a normal citizen and not be tied to a slave contract. Very similar to surrogacy.
I really don’t wanna sound like an asshole, but Yuan Shao Hui is unfortunately not “wrong” to want to take a concubine. It’s a very tasteless situation for Lin Xui Rui, but it should be understood that this is what? The Ming Dynasty? Unless the home is matriarchal, there’s not going to be any heirs to inherit the marquis title.
They’ve been married for several years now, and there’s no sign of a male heir. Plus, Yuan Shao Hui isn’t young. He’s likely over 40, which means he doesn’t have much “GREAT” sperm left. He specifically took a second wife so that he could have someone to raise his daughter and also have someone inherit his position when he passes.
Given the time period and the amount of years he’s been married for with no signs of a male heir, it’s very reasonable and makes total sense as to why his mother would push for him to take a concubine; they’re literally just tryna secure the position and keep it with the legitimate branch. Neither of them married out of love. She married him because he had power and a title, and he married her because he wanted someone to care for his daughter and give him an heir. As an illegitimate daughter, had her family arrange her marriage it would likely be to a regular scholar or someone of a way lower rank.
I understand no one would want to share their husband with another woman, but we have to see things from his perspective too. If there’s no one to inherit the marquis title, then what happens to the future generations? An illegitimate branch would likely have to take over and then what would become of those girls or even HER position in the future?
Unless he specifically promised he wouldn’t take any concubines and he’s now broken his promise, I think everybody is just doing way too much. It’s hardly fair to paint him as a bad guy for wanting to take in someone who could potentially provide him with what he NEEDS most right now.
(This mfer had only one child with his deceased wife and several others with his current…..ALL BEING DAUGHTERS.......has nobody stopped to question just maybe it’s HIM that doesn’t have the capacity to shoot out a boy sperm??)
While I agree with you that the pacing/storytelling could've been better, I feel like you're off base with everything…
You're right and wrong. All in all outside of them being on seemingly separate paths the underlining reason as to why they were not together was not that. That's as far as I'll reiterate or break down my original comment.
remember she said they were not on the same path/way? that's because lanxiang, learning from history (the play…
forcing her to have sex is rape.... if he has to force her that means she didn't want to in the first place which means she didn't give her consent. sex requires consent from both parties or else it's sexual assault or rape!
remember she said they were not on the same path/way? that's because lanxiang, learning from history (the play…
YUCK! Why is rape so common in romance novels??? in what world will a victim fall in love SINCERELY with her rapist? are they stupid? the only way that's gonna happen is if she develop Stockholm syndrome/Trauma bonding not love. They knew better than to had that rubbish to my show. HISSES TEETH!
IT's NOT FUNNY BUT IT IS....... It seem some people in the Lin manor decided to die from natural causes before the emperor got a chance to massacre them....cause why would the granny and the second young lord die behind each other. I understand the Son dying cause he was always sick but wasn't the granny suppose to be getting better? Was it a competition? Lmao
Shen Jia Lan has been living under a fake identity for so long, she has completely forgotten her old self and real identity. It broke my heart so much when she didn't even remember her own birthday. OMG.
OFF TOPIC: Now that I'm looking back, I think we got a subtle love confession in Episode 37. I think that's when Lanxiang started kinda opening up and slightly acknowledging but not accepting her feelings for him. She even opened up more after he brought her to the mass grave site. Though I believe she didn't go further than that because she's living as another person, her past grievance with the Lin family breaking off the engagement, and also the difference in their status right now, coupled with the forced marriage. I think, though she knows she has feelings for him, she just doesn't believe it's enough for her to totally give into them and let go of her past!
Considering all of that, them "suddenly" consummating started to kind of make sense. I must be honest here, they JUST DID NOT execute it very well AT ALL! They didn't pace it well and did it way too subtly. They made it seem as if she only slept with him because he didn't forget her family or her old identity. That was not the case at all. She has always had SOME feelings for him, though she lost most of it after his family cancelled their engagement, but nevertheless, they were still there. IMO, many are misinterpreting her not being happy about being married to him or with her new life, status and wealth as her totally disliking him despite all that he's done to make her comfortably and happy, when it's more like, "After all that I've been through, love is the last thing on my mind." "I won't marry unless it's absolutely necessary"( like satisfying her adopted parents.) Hence, she had no problem marrying Han.
EDIT: All in all outside of them being on seemingly separate paths the underlining reason as to why they were not together was not that.
But then again, this is just my personal interpretation after rewatching these episodes . I just had to find out, as I was wondering why the sudden shift in the latest episode.
I haven’t finished this drama yet; I’m only on episode 36, but I agree with your opinion. So far, I’ve never…
I saw that, and I strongly agree and disagree. Not all of her opponents were political opponents, yet after all her exacting of revenge, she still had to rely heavily on others to clean up after her.
Also, for them to use her to get back at their rivals would only cause more damage than resolution. This is like giving their opponents a gun filled with ammunition. If that were the case, all they did was create more problems and opportunities for them to go to court, write memorials/petitions, and file complaints against her mother and father for not raising her correctly, or against Ling Buyi for endorsing her overbearing and bad behavior.
Not all of her opponents were from severely powerful families where even the Emperor or Ling Buyi had to take a step back to deal with them. The whole premise of Ling Buyi’s character is that he was fearless and didn’t care much about or give special attention to the powerful.
So having them constantly step in to clean up after Niao Niao doesn’t make her look more capable. If anything, it makes the revenge feel less like HER victory because the people around her are constantly dealing with the consequences of her actions.
I haven’t finished this drama yet; I’m only on episode 36, but I agree with your opinion. So far, I’ve never…
The revenge is satisfying and deserved, but the way she goes about it is nonsensical. I’m supposed to be satisfied watching her get revenge, yet she’s hardly using her own skills to accomplish any of it. Without the Empress and Emperor doting on her and Ling Buyi backing her, they would’ve already trampled her to death. So what exactly is HER victory here when everyone around her is constantly cleaning up the consequences?
That’s my issue. I like when FLs are able to hold their own without having to HEAVILY rely on other people to clean up the messes they make. She should be able to take revenge in a way where the success is her own merit from start to finish, rather than relying on the Empress, Emperor, or Ling Buyi to handle the aftermath and scare off anyone who comes looking for revenge.
Minglan fought her own battles without heavily relying on her Marquis husband or even her grandmother. And I know everybody is gonna say she had support and training living with her granny, but that’s simply not true. SHE was the one planning and scheming to take revenge, even to the point where she didn’t tell her VERY CLOSE attending maids or her grandmother when she was executing her revenge on Concubine Lin and her sister.
She didn’t rely heavily on anybody when it came to correcting the wrongs done to her. They were there and helped when she ABSOLUTELY needed them, but she was still the driving force behind her own actions.
Meanwhile, Niao Niao relies on the people around her to clean up after her on EVERY SINGLE RODEO!
That’s why I believe Minglan was written much better. Her support system enhanced her character; it didn’t replace her.
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That's just NOT how people who FINALLY find comfort and fall in love after 17+ years of straight abuse, trials, and tribulations' brains work. But I'm not about to sit here and argue semantics with you when you're stuck in your ways and refuse to understand the storytelling behind both of their actions. You know you're wrong, and you also know why the story was written that way. You just hated it because it didn't go the way you wanted to anticipate it. Good for you. Sit with that.
Imma have dinner. Start this discussion elsewhere and with somebody else. Bye.
You literally went on a rating/watch spree on all of Seven Tang dramas....Why? didn't you say a while back she can't act? why is you in the comments of her airing drama still talking shit? Do you know you've left over 8 comments of total bullshit already? GO WATCH YOUR ASS!!!
If she had known, her reaction would've been pretentious and possibly seen through. It was also a scheme that ONLY needed the involved IMPORTANT parties to know for it to work. She didn't need to know everything, and again, it was for her own good and protection. Why would he want to involve the mother of his child and his wife in the fight between royals? Why would he want her more involved than she already was simply because she married him? The more people that know, the less likely it would come off as believable. Just like Minglan didn't tell her grandmother about her plans with Concubine Lin! I wonder why that is, huh? Cause if and when it should all go bust, Granny wouldn't be blamed for scheming to get a concubine killed or destroying the image of the family.
Same with the other situation and why Ting Ye didn't tell Ming'er; she could at least return to her maternal home or at least save her child and maternal family instead of having them massacred with the Marquis.
They didn't mess up her character. All they did was show her finally being expressive with her emotions without the need to hide what she feels in fear of those around her. She loved her husband enough to not be composed and calculative when he was in danger.
They’ve been married for several years now, and there’s no sign of a male heir. Plus, Yuan Shao Hui isn’t young. He’s likely over 40, which means he doesn’t have much “GREAT” sperm left. He specifically took a second wife so that he could have someone to raise his daughter and also have someone inherit his position when he passes.
Given the time period and the amount of years he’s been married for with no signs of a male heir, it’s very reasonable and makes total sense as to why his mother would push for him to take a concubine; they’re literally just tryna secure the position and keep it with the legitimate branch. Neither of them married out of love. She married him because he had power and a title, and he married her because he wanted someone to care for his daughter and give him an heir. As an illegitimate daughter, had her family arrange her marriage it would likely be to a regular scholar or someone of a way lower rank.
I understand no one would want to share their husband with another woman, but we have to see things from his perspective too. If there’s no one to inherit the marquis title, then what happens to the future generations? An illegitimate branch would likely have to take over and then what would become of those girls or even HER position in the future?
Unless he specifically promised he wouldn’t take any concubines and he’s now broken his promise, I think everybody is just doing way too much. It’s hardly fair to paint him as a bad guy for wanting to take in someone who could potentially provide him with what he NEEDS most right now.
(This mfer had only one child with his deceased wife and several others with his current…..ALL BEING DAUGHTERS.......has nobody stopped to question just maybe it’s HIM that doesn’t have the capacity to shoot out a boy sperm??)
OFF TOPIC: Now that I'm looking back, I think we got a subtle love confession in Episode 37. I think that's when Lanxiang started kinda opening up and slightly acknowledging but not accepting her feelings for him. She even opened up more after he brought her to the mass grave site. Though I believe she didn't go further than that because she's living as another person, her past grievance with the Lin family breaking off the engagement, and also the difference in their status right now, coupled with the forced marriage. I think, though she knows she has feelings for him, she just doesn't believe it's enough for her to totally give into them and let go of her past!
Considering all of that, them "suddenly" consummating started to kind of make sense. I must be honest here, they JUST DID NOT execute it very well AT ALL! They didn't pace it well and did it way too subtly. They made it seem as if she only slept with him because he didn't forget her family or her old identity. That was not the case at all. She has always had SOME feelings for him, though she lost most of it after his family cancelled their engagement, but nevertheless, they were still there. IMO, many are misinterpreting her not being happy about being married to him or with her new life, status and wealth as her totally disliking him despite all that he's done to make her comfortably and happy, when it's more like, "After all that I've been through, love is the last thing on my mind." "I won't marry unless it's absolutely necessary"( like satisfying her adopted parents.) Hence, she had no problem marrying Han.
EDIT: All in all outside of them being on seemingly separate paths the underlining reason as to why they were not together was not that.
But then again, this is just my personal interpretation after rewatching these episodes . I just had to find out, as I was wondering why the sudden shift in the latest episode.
Also, for them to use her to get back at their rivals would only cause more damage than resolution. This is like giving their opponents a gun filled with ammunition. If that were the case, all they did was create more problems and opportunities for them to go to court, write memorials/petitions, and file complaints against her mother and father for not raising her correctly, or against Ling Buyi for endorsing her overbearing and bad behavior.
Not all of her opponents were from severely powerful families where even the Emperor or Ling Buyi had to take a step back to deal with them. The whole premise of Ling Buyi’s character is that he was fearless and didn’t care much about or give special attention to the powerful.
So having them constantly step in to clean up after Niao Niao doesn’t make her look more capable. If anything, it makes the revenge feel less like HER victory because the people around her are constantly dealing with the consequences of her actions.
That’s my issue. I like when FLs are able to hold their own without having to HEAVILY rely on other people to clean up the messes they make. She should be able to take revenge in a way where the success is her own merit from start to finish, rather than relying on the Empress, Emperor, or Ling Buyi to handle the aftermath and scare off anyone who comes looking for revenge.
Minglan fought her own battles without heavily relying on her Marquis husband or even her grandmother. And I know everybody is gonna say she had support and training living with her granny, but that’s simply not true. SHE was the one planning and scheming to take revenge, even to the point where she didn’t tell her VERY CLOSE attending maids or her grandmother when she was executing her revenge on Concubine Lin and her sister.
She didn’t rely heavily on anybody when it came to correcting the wrongs done to her. They were there and helped when she ABSOLUTELY needed them, but she was still the driving force behind her own actions.
Meanwhile, Niao Niao relies on the people around her to clean up after her on EVERY SINGLE RODEO!
That’s why I believe Minglan was written much better. Her support system enhanced her character; it didn’t replace her.