Whatever the hell that was.....They really finna piss me clean tf off, swear to God. I think they should just release all remaining 8 episodes tomorrow and stop with the dwindling. I can't believe despite all my high hopes this drama has begun to faulter before my eyes. If the remaining episodes are anything like episode 39 that is.....
Every time I rewatch this show, I develop a newfound hatred for Qi Heng. He's such a spineless idiot. I understand more and more why Ting Ye was always the right choice, and it had absolutely nothing to do with how much he doted on Minglan after their marriage.
Even before he saw her in that light, Ting Ye had always exhausted every option to help her to the best of his ability. And when he developed feelings for her, he didn't become overbearing, force his feelings onto her, or try to create some triangle between himself and Qi Heng. He quietly watched over her and stepped in whenever he could.
My favorite scene has always been when he met Yuanruo before his wedding. He genuinely put his own safety aside and willingly put himself in danger just to make sure Minglan had a chance at the happiness she desperately wanted, only for that idiotic, spineless freak to not even take the same risk for the woman he so carelessly claimed was his "forever love."
Like, I understand your hardship, but you're telling me you couldn't go to the Yamen to sue the Yong Prince and Consort? Everybody in the city sings your praises. There's no way they would've simply ignored you if you beat the drum. And bringing all the crimes they committed against the Rong Princess to the Noble Consort could've given you the leverage you needed to fight them head-on.
A lot of people don't wanna hear this, but Qi Heng bowed to power and called it having no choice. He barely tried to fight them. Had he exhausted every option and been backed into a corner with no way out, I would've understood. But the moment he heard Prince Yong could potentially become Crown Prince or emperor, he stopped fighting.
There's no gain without risk. He knew exactly how badly this would affect Minglan as a woman of her time, especially as an illegitimate daughter. Her reputation would be ruined, and her prospects for marriage would become even worse. Yet he could still say, "If I don't marry her, I'd rather die or not marry at all," while simultaneously accepting a decision that he knew would damage her and her reputation.
That's the part I can't get past. He claimed he loved her, but WOULD NOT to take the risks necessary to protect her??? AH OKAY
Gu Ting Ye is a VERY flawed man. His frivolous nature in his younger years alone makes that obvious. But when that man loves, he LOVES. He'll go to extraordinary lengths to make sure his woman is safe and happy, even if it means burning the clothes off his back to keep her warm or cutting his own flesh to keep her fed.
That's a man. A good man.
He isn't the perfect man in all of Bianjing, but he was the perfect fit for Minglan. None of her previous prospects were as determined to have her, protect her, and go the extra mile to make sure she was secure like he did. That man saw an opportunity and took it. LOVE DAT!
And honestly, I don't even think Qi Heng and Minglan would've lasted long-term. They shared feelings, sure, but with a mother like his, that marriage would've been an endless battle. Knowing how headstrong Minglan and her granny are, I could easily see Minglan eventually leaving and finding someone who would actually give her the protection and security she needed.
Well, for starters, they were previously betrothed at a young age, and his family called it off, which was really,…
You're asking a very nonsensical question. The plot has been, for the most part, very historically accurate based on each event that has transpired. This is female centric. The main plot point is highlighting Lanxiang fall from grace and her(other low- birth, high birth; basically just women overall from that time period) overall struggles has a woman(women).
This plot has never given us soft quick-build-up romance. From the moment she was force into marriage it gave toxic. As a matter of fact, "romance" in this case is more like a sub-subplot. The story is literally focused almost completely on Lanxiang and other women building and rebuilding themselves.
During Lanxiang rebuilding, her progress was cut short because of the marriage decree, hence why she told Jingqi that what he took from her was her life out of sheer selfish desire to claim her before others.
After watching 20+ episodes, it should be very clear what the main plot and story are about, and it's definitely not romance. We're loosing the message the drama is trying to convey to us right now!!!!.
The romance is a subplot but it will definitely come. If that's your reason for watching I suggest to stick to idol romance cause this is not THAT!
It's simply ridiculous to witness firsthand her struggles at the hands of that man, and the only thing you're thinking about through all of that is, "When will she fuck him?" Very nonsense, girl!
Well, for starters, they were previously betrothed at a young age, and his family called it off, which was really,…
Even if there's no progress to their romance until the very end, it would be completely understandable since she didn't love him when she married him and the marriage was not her choice. She has a thousand reasons NOT to love him and zero reason why she should
Once again, I find myself mentally bowing to Li Meng (XingTang). This is the second drama where she doesn’t…
great actress but she's not overshadowing anybody and certainly not THE TANG SONG YUN. get a grip. The girl can hold her own but that's as far as it goes. no tea no shade!
I’m getting annoyed. 😭The ML and FL have already gone through multiple life-and-death situations together.…
Well, for starters, they were previously betrothed at a young age, and his family called it off, which was really, really humiliating and also very damaging to her reputation back then. Had her family survived, no one would likely have wanted to marry her.
And two, he used a royal decree to force her into a marriage she didn't necessarily want. He also didn't inform her or her parents, which is literally one of the greatest acts of disrespect a groom could exhibit toward his wife's family. It shows a lack of respect and decorum.
Even though she will eventually warm up to him, she absolutely does NOT need to or SHOULD. He is a good person overall, but he still has very rude and disrespectful sides to him and it is shown from all his controlling actions to make her his.
Blaming a woman for a man's behavior is very typical. SHE CAN BE COLD TOWARDS HIM UNTIL THE LAST FEW SECONDS OF THE LAST EPISODE FOR ALL I CARE. HE WOULD DESERVE IT!
I HATE THAT when I watch a show I love, I hardly have any opinion.....not because I have nothing to say, but because I have TOO MUCH to say. I genuinely don't know where to start or if I'll ever stop talking. This is such a great show. There hasn't been any romantic scene, yet there has. Like, I genuinely don't feel deprived at all.
Outside of that, I'm learning so much more about how absolutely ridiculous the laws were(STILL IS BTW) towards women. I mean, I was aware, and I have seen these exact scenes before in other shows, but every time, my blood boils. WHAT? A MAN CAN DIVORCE HIS WIFE, BUT A WIFE CAN'T DIVORCE HER HUSBAND. WHAT? EVEN IF SHE WINS THE CASE FOR SEPARATION, SHE HAS TO BE SUBJECTED TO HARD LABOR AND 100 LASHES?? Coach, put me on the court. I'll kill that lawmaker myself, and if he's already dead, imma dig him up and kill him again. That's not enough. Imma castrate his whole generation. We don't need those genes to make more of him!
Bruh, this is the type of quality you get when every single member of the cast can act. The leads are exceptional, and the supporting characters are just as excellent. Every single person is pulling their own weight and excelling in their own area. Props to the director and screenwriters. The women that they are!
I hope Seven and Xueyi get more opportunities following the success of this. God knows they deserve it! We're 36 episodes in with 11 to go, and there genuinely has not been a single dip in quality or pacing. Not even Pursuit of Jade gave us such steady quality (no tea, no shade, not tryna be messy, but after the first 20 episodes, it felt as if the writer and director changed, and the ending was meh).
The only way for them to mess this up is if they rush the ending or somehow mess up the remaining 11 episodes. Otherwise, this is literally a 10/10 drama that, BTW, brings awareness to and highlights the struggles of women, rather than some brainrot idol drama that makes the ML a perfect man while the FL is the one with all the flaws.
Well there's only two main cast that your may be referring to...so here is my rebuttal:Xu Kai has proven he can…
Bunch a word salad..... If you were REALLY a film major, then you would've known exactly what I was referring to. Furthermore, nowhere in ANY of my comments or replies did I say I made THIS comment based on the core standards for acting critique(the core criteria commonly used to evaluate acting performance). I clearly said several different times that it wasn't about whether I believe they could act or not; it was about several other factors.
Yuh chrat too fucking much. Mi hate people who won't even do research first before claiming shit. It's laughable to come on here saying you're a film major and not know what standard I was referring to. Not even a little bit? Bruh, get the fuck on and out my face.
I didn't need to read your comment in full because, quite frankly, as you said, I do not care for your opinion. I did, however, reply to the part that caught my eye, and that was about how you believe Xu Kai was a better actor than Zhou Ye. I said it's your opinion to say he's a better actor compared to her, just like it is my own opinion to say I think one of the leads would shine more playing supporting roles.
I only mentioned the core standards to define acting because that's literally the type of analysis used by critics, such as award-show judges, when they're deciding who should be awarded. I NEVER SAID I USED IT HERE! I quite literally said my comment was based on my own overall feelings and observations and had nothing to do with whether I thought they were a good or bad actor.
I need you dumb heux to stop replying to me if you can't read or comprehend. I'm sick of talking to koalas.
Well there's only two main cast that your may be referring to...so here is my rebuttal:Xu Kai has proven he can…
I didn't read all of your comment, but for the part about XK, like my comment, is your opinion and personal judgment on whether he can act, since I don't see anywhere where you mentioned that you graded or critiqued his skills based on the five core standards that critics use to evaluate great acting.
Anyways, my comment was vague for a reason, but I simply think people are interpreting my comment as if I'm saying the artist I'm referring to can't act or is bad at their job. That's not how I think, and that's not what I'm insinuating.
They just get easily overshadowed, don't have enough star power, and simply don't give enough as a lead actor compared to how they perform in supporting roles, where they've delivered some especially strong performances.
Which lead are you even talking about? Neither is "overpowered by support casting in their projects".
Everybody has their own opinion on what good acting is (unless you're judging base core standards critiques use). Hence, you believe Xu Kai is a better actor than her, and that's your opinion based on what you've seen. I'm not trying to make you look bad, and I never twisted your words. You mentioned twice that you think I'm referring to her, which is why I said maybe you share that sentiment after watching the performances through your own eyes and drawing your own conclusions.
I also mentioned that all I wanted to do was share my comment and get my point across without having to deal with people thinking I have such an opinion because I hate a specific artist, or that this is my way of getting people to talk badly about them.
Of course people are going to think I'm talking about one of the leads because I am. As for WHO specifically it is, I purposefully didn't say any names. I simply stated why I formed the opinion I did. I listed all my reasons; I just didn't say a name. You did.
I'm simply not going to confirm whether your assumption is true or not.
Which lead are you even talking about? Neither is "overpowered by support casting in their projects".
I really want to tell you to refrain from making assumptions that I'm alluding to my comment being about the FL, but then I remembered I specifically didn't name anyone. Now I can't even say whether it's about her or not. You're right or you're wrong. 🤷♀️
But then again, based on the performances of the whole cast, leads and supporting, maybe this is simply you sharing your own opinion through your own eyes.
Which lead are you even talking about? Neither is "overpowered by support casting in their projects".
I need you to read with comprehension. Stating an opinion based on things and patterns you've noticed in an artist doesn't automatically mean you don't like them simply because you've listed and highlighted those things. Is it empty in your skull?
This literally has nothing to do with whether I like the artist personally. This is solely about their job and how they perform. Furthermore, this isn't about whether they can or cannot act; I think they CAN act. They're just not performing to the standard I personally expect from a lead, especially when the supporting cast and the other lead actor consistently outshine and stand out more than they do. This has happened across all of their projects that I've watched, and that's how I came to the conclusion that it may simply be a matter of where their strengths are best suited.
It's about where their strong suit is, where they'll shine better, and why they're not shining in the position they're currently in. I'm not saying they can't act; I'm saying that based on the pattern I've observed, I don't think the lead role is where they're able to showcase their strengths most effectively.
Which lead are you even talking about? Neither is "overpowered by support casting in their projects".
But it should MAINLY come down to your acting skills and your ability to hold an audience. Obviously, there are other criteria for casting a lead; star power, popularity, chemistry with the other leads, marketability, etc. but none of those things can compensate forever if the actual performance isn't strong enough to carry the story.
If they're being consistently outshone by the supporting cast in 95% of your projects or it's the other lead that is essentially carrying the show, then at some point you have to question whether they're actually suited for lead roles. I'm not saying they can't act. I'm saying that being able to give a decent performance is different from being able to carry an entire show. A supporting role might allow them to play to their strengths without having to shoulder the same weight as the lead.
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Even before he saw her in that light, Ting Ye had always exhausted every option to help her to the best of his ability. And when he developed feelings for her, he didn't become overbearing, force his feelings onto her, or try to create some triangle between himself and Qi Heng. He quietly watched over her and stepped in whenever he could.
My favorite scene has always been when he met Yuanruo before his wedding. He genuinely put his own safety aside and willingly put himself in danger just to make sure Minglan had a chance at the happiness she desperately wanted, only for that idiotic, spineless freak to not even take the same risk for the woman he so carelessly claimed was his "forever love."
Like, I understand your hardship, but you're telling me you couldn't go to the Yamen to sue the Yong Prince and Consort? Everybody in the city sings your praises. There's no way they would've simply ignored you if you beat the drum. And bringing all the crimes they committed against the Rong Princess to the Noble Consort could've given you the leverage you needed to fight them head-on.
A lot of people don't wanna hear this, but Qi Heng bowed to power and called it having no choice. He barely tried to fight them. Had he exhausted every option and been backed into a corner with no way out, I would've understood. But the moment he heard Prince Yong could potentially become Crown Prince or emperor, he stopped fighting.
There's no gain without risk. He knew exactly how badly this would affect Minglan as a woman of her time, especially as an illegitimate daughter. Her reputation would be ruined, and her prospects for marriage would become even worse. Yet he could still say, "If I don't marry her, I'd rather die or not marry at all," while simultaneously accepting a decision that he knew would damage her and her reputation.
That's the part I can't get past. He claimed he loved her, but WOULD NOT to take the risks necessary to protect her??? AH OKAY
Gu Ting Ye is a VERY flawed man. His frivolous nature in his younger years alone makes that obvious. But when that man loves, he LOVES. He'll go to extraordinary lengths to make sure his woman is safe and happy, even if it means burning the clothes off his back to keep her warm or cutting his own flesh to keep her fed.
That's a man. A good man.
He isn't the perfect man in all of Bianjing, but he was the perfect fit for Minglan. None of her previous prospects were as determined to have her, protect her, and go the extra mile to make sure she was secure like he did. That man saw an opportunity and took it. LOVE DAT!
And honestly, I don't even think Qi Heng and Minglan would've lasted long-term. They shared feelings, sure, but with a mother like his, that marriage would've been an endless battle. Knowing how headstrong Minglan and her granny are, I could easily see Minglan eventually leaving and finding someone who would actually give her the protection and security she needed.
Someone like Ting Ye.
This plot has never given us soft quick-build-up romance. From the moment she was force into marriage it gave toxic. As a matter of fact, "romance" in this case is more like a sub-subplot. The story is literally focused almost completely on Lanxiang and other women building and rebuilding themselves.
During Lanxiang rebuilding, her progress was cut short because of the marriage decree, hence why she told Jingqi that what he took from her was her life out of sheer selfish desire to claim her before others.
After watching 20+ episodes, it should be very clear what the main plot and story are about, and it's definitely not romance. We're loosing the message the drama is trying to convey to us right now!!!!.
The romance is a subplot but it will definitely come. If that's your reason for watching I suggest to stick to idol romance cause this is not THAT!
It's simply ridiculous to witness firsthand her struggles at the hands of that man, and the only thing you're thinking about through all of that is, "When will she fuck him?" Very nonsense, girl!
And two, he used a royal decree to force her into a marriage she didn't necessarily want. He also didn't inform her or her parents, which is literally one of the greatest acts of disrespect a groom could exhibit toward his wife's family. It shows a lack of respect and decorum.
Even though she will eventually warm up to him, she absolutely does NOT need to or SHOULD. He is a good person overall, but he still has very rude and disrespectful sides to him and it is shown from all his controlling actions to make her his.
Blaming a woman for a man's behavior is very typical. SHE CAN BE COLD TOWARDS HIM UNTIL THE LAST FEW SECONDS OF THE LAST EPISODE FOR ALL I CARE. HE WOULD DESERVE IT!
Outside of that, I'm learning so much more about how absolutely ridiculous the laws were(STILL IS BTW) towards women. I mean, I was aware, and I have seen these exact scenes before in other shows, but every time, my blood boils. WHAT? A MAN CAN DIVORCE HIS WIFE, BUT A WIFE CAN'T DIVORCE HER HUSBAND. WHAT? EVEN IF SHE WINS THE CASE FOR SEPARATION, SHE HAS TO BE SUBJECTED TO HARD LABOR AND 100 LASHES?? Coach, put me on the court. I'll kill that lawmaker myself, and if he's already dead, imma dig him up and kill him again. That's not enough. Imma castrate his whole generation. We don't need those genes to make more of him!
Bruh, this is the type of quality you get when every single member of the cast can act. The leads are exceptional, and the supporting characters are just as excellent. Every single person is pulling their own weight and excelling in their own area. Props to the director and screenwriters. The women that they are!
I hope Seven and Xueyi get more opportunities following the success of this. God knows they deserve it! We're 36 episodes in with 11 to go, and there genuinely has not been a single dip in quality or pacing. Not even Pursuit of Jade gave us such steady quality (no tea, no shade, not tryna be messy, but after the first 20 episodes, it felt as if the writer and director changed, and the ending was meh).
The only way for them to mess this up is if they rush the ending or somehow mess up the remaining 11 episodes. Otherwise, this is literally a 10/10 drama that, BTW, brings awareness to and highlights the struggles of women, rather than some brainrot idol drama that makes the ML a perfect man while the FL is the one with all the flaws.
Yuh chrat too fucking much. Mi hate people who won't even do research first before claiming shit. It's laughable to come on here saying you're a film major and not know what standard I was referring to. Not even a little bit? Bruh, get the fuck on and out my face.
I didn't need to read your comment in full because, quite frankly, as you said, I do not care for your opinion. I did, however, reply to the part that caught my eye, and that was about how you believe Xu Kai was a better actor than Zhou Ye. I said it's your opinion to say he's a better actor compared to her, just like it is my own opinion to say I think one of the leads would shine more playing supporting roles.
I only mentioned the core standards to define acting because that's literally the type of analysis used by critics, such as award-show judges, when they're deciding who should be awarded. I NEVER SAID I USED IT HERE! I quite literally said my comment was based on my own overall feelings and observations and had nothing to do with whether I thought they were a good or bad actor.
I need you dumb heux to stop replying to me if you can't read or comprehend. I'm sick of talking to koalas.
Anyways, my comment was vague for a reason, but I simply think people are interpreting my comment as if I'm saying the artist I'm referring to can't act or is bad at their job. That's not how I think, and that's not what I'm insinuating.
They just get easily overshadowed, don't have enough star power, and simply don't give enough as a lead actor compared to how they perform in supporting roles, where they've delivered some especially strong performances.
I also mentioned that all I wanted to do was share my comment and get my point across without having to deal with people thinking I have such an opinion because I hate a specific artist, or that this is my way of getting people to talk badly about them.
Of course people are going to think I'm talking about one of the leads because I am. As for WHO specifically it is, I purposefully didn't say any names. I simply stated why I formed the opinion I did. I listed all my reasons; I just didn't say a name. You did.
I'm simply not going to confirm whether your assumption is true or not.
But then again, based on the performances of the whole cast, leads and supporting, maybe this is simply you sharing your own opinion through your own eyes.
This literally has nothing to do with whether I like the artist personally. This is solely about their job and how they perform. Furthermore, this isn't about whether they can or cannot act; I think they CAN act. They're just not performing to the standard I personally expect from a lead, especially when the supporting cast and the other lead actor consistently outshine and stand out more than they do. This has happened across all of their projects that I've watched, and that's how I came to the conclusion that it may simply be a matter of where their strengths are best suited.
It's about where their strong suit is, where they'll shine better, and why they're not shining in the position they're currently in. I'm not saying they can't act; I'm saying that based on the pattern I've observed, I don't think the lead role is where they're able to showcase their strengths most effectively.
I just know it's smooth upstairs.
If they're being consistently outshone by the supporting cast in 95% of your projects or it's the other lead that is essentially carrying the show, then at some point you have to question whether they're actually suited for lead roles. I'm not saying they can't act. I'm saying that being able to give a decent performance is different from being able to carry an entire show. A supporting role might allow them to play to their strengths without having to shoulder the same weight as the lead.