Yian Ji

>< I very specifically already mentioned this in my first comment.

The ‘it’s just a drama’ argument holds little merit, because as I mentioned there are many people out who do believe that it represents reality.

I understand where your coming from. To you it seems completely ridiculous that anyone would think this way, and it does to me as well, but you have to accept that it is a fact, that many people really do. If you go through the comments on this website alone you will find, just like I found a lot of people commenting things that prove this. And there’s even more people who do out there.

Why do you think that propaganda was so useful to things like war, controlling the population and influencing thinking? Because it works, this is a fact. Now these days people like me and you would not be swayed by this kind of subconscious influencing of our thoughts, but again, there’s so many people out there that are susceptible to it and it does work on them.

You can’t assume that the whole population thinks exactly the way you do and you definitely can’t assume that they will come to same conclusion as you did. The one thing you should be sure of though, is that there are a lot of people out who will believe anything. And if you think that this kind of modern day propaganda is ‘not the dramas fault’ or that it’s not being done on purpose, you should re-evaluate that thinking, I’m not trying to change your mind but just think about it again? Do you really believe that this is accidental? Or that it’s unrealistic enough to really hit home for everyone that this isn’t real? And do you really believe that every country that portrays themselves as the best is doing it by accident? Or because they want influence their population into believing it?

I’m not trying to make this into a conspiracy theory here, modern day propaganda through popular media isn’t like an unproven thing, it’s just that pretty much no one cares about it, either because they don’t see it or they think like you and believe that it won’t effect anyone.

Also I don’t hate this show or the characters at all, I’ve been waiting for season 2 and I’m enjoying it very much, my annoyance and hatred toward what we’ve been discussing is a universal thing, I hate it’s presence in any movie or show from any country, and it’s a prevalent thing in almost all of them. I’m just getting to a point where it’s starting to annoy the hell out of me. I just wanted to vent about it, I’m not putting down the show or saying that it’s bad and all it does is promote korea, the show obviously has much more depth and plot progression than this one thing that happens to annoy me. So please don’t be offended or get too annoyed at me, I’m glad that you replied actually XD It’s nice to have a conversation with someone who can argue their point well and make me question my own opinion again as well.

XD I see that from a completely different angle. The 4 main characters and even the rest of the staff, are portrayed as super humans who work constantly and barely sleep, yet they also never complain, they do charity work because they are just such good people and couldn’t possible let a patient leave without getting life saving surgery…

This is not criticising to me, it’s mostly saying that Korean doctors are amazing and only work as doctors because they absolutely love saving lives and will do anything to do this. And the two doctors in the hospital that act differently are portrayed as just being total human garbage because they care about money.

Look, this is kinda exactly what this show and shows like it that promote their own countries are designed to do, they are designed to make you think these 4 main characters are such good people and unconsciously apply this to Korean people in general.
They are also saying that, it doesn’t matter if you can’t pay for surgery in Korea because programs like this will pay your hospital fees for you, because our doctors are the best and they’ll use their hard earned money to help people in need…

They could just have a low income system like most countries do, where people who make under a certain amount get free healthcare that’s paid for by the government… but they don’t have that, so instead of making that fact utterly clear they instead say ‘it doesn’t matter because good people will pay for it with their money’

I love this show I really do, but, I really don’t like the way it implies and even outright states that the Korean medical industry is the absolute best in the world. Sure their national healthcare service is efficient and has been recognised as one of the most efficient, but that doesn’t have much to do with the actual services themselves. They have barely any community health services and the terrible mental health facilities they do have are underfunded and primarily work on an inpatient basis, as in they stick mentally ill patients into hospitals and forget they exist.

Look all Tv shows and movies etc do this. Which ever country they’re made in they usually promote that country as the best country ever. And I’m starting to get fucking sick of it man >< filling media with fucking propaganda will still not make me believe that your country is a fucking Utopia and has no problems whatsoever. Especially when I can check what the real situation is with one google search.

I’m just gunna say this one thing, medical tourism is a big industry in Korea, the services are cheaper than they are in places like the US, but a lot of Korean hospitals overcharge these tourists by a lot. They claim it’s because of services like airport pickup and translators but the amount in no way reflects that. So yeah, anywhere that still does not have free healthcare trust me, the whole system is designed to get as much money out of patients as possible including South Korea.

And please, don’t tell me ‘it’s just a drama’
I know that, but I’m an adult who knows better than to believe a drama is reality. But there are many people out there who do, you might think it’s stupid, and I do a bit as well tbh, but not everyone thinks the same and a lot of people don’t think very deeply at all, they just accept everything at surface level.

I just watched Bossam then Sungkyunkwan scandal right after it and I recognised him right away. But like fuck me he hasn’t aged at all in 11 years XD he still looks the fucking same in Bossam as he did in Scandal…

Tbh I don’t even know why I’m watching this show, I really, really hate the ‘girl dresses as boy’ trope. And this drama specifically handles it badly. Sun Joon acts like an asshole once he realises he like Yoon Hee, at first I thought it wouldn’t be so bad his character seemed kinda open to the idea that he likes a guy, and then he just seems completely disgusted by it. And I have a feeling he won’t change his mind until he finds out it’s a girl. Interpret it however you want but it’s really saying that homosexuality is wrong and should be seen as a passing phase that you get over. It actually literally says it with Yong Ha and Jae Shin. Yong Ha admits to feeling for Jae Shin but suggests this was a passing thing of confusion and youth that real men get over…

Anyway I’m not hating the drama I’m just disappointed with this kind of plot progression.

Yeah I already finished this drama, and honestly I didn’t really think the reasoning they give for this has a lot of merit. But that’s just my opinion I tend to be really critical about everything >~<

Ahh yeah your definitely right, when you explain it, it makes actual sense to me. While watching the show it really does it’s best to make Sandbox appear like the ‘good guys’ who do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Especially the CEO of SH Venture (I can’t remember if this is the actual name of the company sorry, but you know who I mean)

Anyway, thanks again. I’ve heard of incubators before but the things I knew about them didn’t really fit with what Sandbox appeared to be. But like I said I know next to nothing about business, I’m a designer so it wasn’t exactly in my core lessons, but I am interested in stuff in general XD

I wish international fans would stop using Korean words >< I know they probably know exactly 2 Korean words which would be Deabak and Saranghae and every time I see someone throw one of those into an English comment or review I just wanna throw up. It’s like a wave of second hand embarrassment and cringe all at once. Also just FYI, people absolutely hate it when you use their language like that. Watch any Japanese drama, movie or listen to a song and you’ll understand how it sounds and looks to native speakers.

Look sure your right, it’s sad, it definitely is… but like, all he had to do to avoid this, was not take or buy drugs. And if the former allegations were true, not harass women. Those are just two things, two things that are very very easy not to do. And those other actors you mentioned have great careers because they didn’t do those things. Anyway I understand your point and I agree with you, but I also think that his downfall is definitely his fault.

Old dramas like this tend to have a habit of overusing tropes. Like most of the plot of this one is one trope after another stretched out through an episode or two. There’s nothing wrong with doing this but it does make the actual end result feel like a teenage drama. I mean this drama takes place in what is basically a University yet the students act like 15 year olds. Only high schools have student body presidents and I’m pretty sure that Sungkyunkwon never did, but I’m gunna check that and get back to this comment.

But when you throw all this stuff into a drama meant for adults it becomes a little condescending… I mean it would be fine it this was a high school drama or even a modern University k drama but it’s not >< I’m wondering wether this drama had ppl complaining about the way it portrayed the school, because it makes it look like a frat house and not a prestigious learning institution XD I get it’s a drama but we’ve seen other dramas getting hate for portraying history wrongly plenty of times.

Anyway, let me know if you know wether this drama had problems because of portrayal?

I’m enjoying the drama, I just like to complain ^^

Yeah I mean it’s feasible if someone’s making money of course. But tbh I’ve watched the show twice now and I’ve never noticed anything that suggests Sandbox is getting anything. No cuts from sales, no interest, no percentage of anything. If you remember maybe at which point you saw scenes that suggest it? I’d like to check but I don’t wanna watch it all again now.

And my assumption was that Sandbox makes nothing of these start ups, which is why I said it would be a terrible idea, of course once money is involved that’s a completely different scenario.

Thanks for your reply and clarification ^^

XD yeah like I get how you feel, I too get annoyed at ppl like that but I just never give them replies or get involved in their online ship wars, I don’t wanna waste my energy on them XD

Watching this again I’m blown away by what a bad idea Sandbox would actually be.

The first time around I was blinded by the drama and thought to myself, Sandbox is such a great idea why doesn’t something like this exist?

Watching it now without the first time blindness factor, I realise that Sandbox is basically a charity that’s helping people who don’t need help. All the people in the companies in the drama, could have gotten jobs, and half of them left jobs specifically coz they didn’t like them or were pissed off. That alone is just stupid. Then they enter sandbox and the costs of running this place would be astronomical and there would never be any kind of return. Sandbox itself gives them an investment, so that money’s just gone right away, especially with the teams that start fighting and drop out. And even when they sell the company like Samsan that money doesn’t go to sandbox none of it does, because sandbox isn’t actually a shareholder, they are a charity giving money and offices to companies where at least 50% of them are bound to fail and the rest that succeed don’t actually make money for sandbox.

Anyway, I know nothing about business but this just seems like the worst idea ever to me.

Don’t yell at me, I realise it’s a drama. I’m not saying anything about the drama, I like it, I’m basically criticising myself for ever thinking this was a good idea. But XD I also think it’s kinda weird because Ji Pyeong complains so much about companies that are charity cases and won’t make any money, yet his ceo and the company he works for basically run sandbox…

Why do people like you always assume they’re fake accounts? You know how many new viewers get into k drama through Netflix then google it and find this site? Just let them bitch giving replies to people like that only gives them what they want, a reaction.

Why would they write Ba Wu’s mother to be such a bitch to the princess? The woman has been living as a commoner for how many years? Her daughter married a commoner, but she literally immediately wants to get rid of the princess to marry Ba Wu to someone else. This makes very little sense. Unless she never left the house while she was a commoner she would have been living among them. It’s just really annoying man. I know that it’s written like this so she can be shocked and ‘put in her place’ when she finds out that Hwa In is a princess. And it is just another horrible example of bad writing built around a trope ><

Yeah XD I think that’s just kinda what everyone does isn’t it? I don’t think I’ve ever watched a show with a friend without having conversations about it and going nuts speculating about the plot and characters XD

Yeah look tbh I had no expectations for this to be anything like the webtoon. It’s a drama about friendship there’s literally no way a Korean production company would make a drama with such unhinged and mentally ill characters unless it’s about actual serial killers. They refuse to acknowledge that normal people can have problems too unless they’re problems that can be fixed by falling in love or leaning on family. I doubt they’ll be able to make a drama that deals with these issues for a long time. I mean even IOTNBO was a bit of a shit show, it basically implied that mental sickness and trauma can be fixed by forcing someone to fall in love with you. In Beyong Evil the one character that had a disability turned out to be a killer that was pretending as was the one with the limp. Like there’s just no chance that any k drama would imply that Koreans aren’t perfect people or that turn into perfect people by the end of those 16 episodes. Unless they’re serial killers…

Like it’s just not realistic for me to expect anything more from dramas at the moment. Like hey, I would absolutely LOVE IT if they did, I would love this particular drama so freaking much if it actually adapted the webtoon the way it is, I would literally die I would be so happy.

But I’ve been disappointed by manhwa adaptions so many times now that I don’t even wanna get my hopes up anymore.

XD I’ll make sure to post then. I kind of speculated that he’s actually the Aunts son and his dad is like Ba Wu’s grandpa or something like that, at one point I was sure his dad was his dad but he was the product of incest, I have a habit of just going off on tangents with drama plots, but XD don’t tell me, you got me excited for a good twist now so im just gunna stop speculating and watch XD

I just did XD thanks again that’s the longest translation I’ve seen yet ^^ I’m reading it right now XD I didn’t really want to read the 3 chapter that are translated online I really hate having to wait for chapters, but with that many I can’t help myself tbh

Thanks I’ve looked at the offical one but I can’t read Korean unfortunately XD I even looked for a German translation as well but no luck. Anyway thank you ^^