MaintainingMama

That definitely could be the reason he is upset.

I could definitely see Nant somewhere hanging manipulating all of them for how they bullied him. But why he would do that to his brother is hard to explain...

Maybe Prom knew Nant had a twin. Its crazy weird to me that NO ONE knew he had a sibling, let alone a twin, if they considered the friend group "family". At this point, I am like everyone is a suspect. 😂

But to my way of thinking, if the Japanese creator/owners cared so much about that stuff, they should of had script approval and once it was filmed and edited final say if the final product was air-able based on the contract. Also, why would the Japanese creators/owners have no problem with it still showing in Thailand, but not internationally. Especially because GMMTV airs most of their programing on Youtube. That should have been something negotiated in the original contract if they didn't approve international airing. That is why it seems fishy to me, because these are basic contractual addendums. It feels off.

If they would just stop with the English, I could make it through and episode with cringing, much. Some parts are so good, the story is enough to keep me interested, cause while I am totally on the "Nuth" killed Nant and its super obvy" train, but also, I think this show has the potential to pull a double reverse whammy and make it be something/someone totally unexpected. Like Prom, cause he is one twisted dude. I need more of Aob and the other dude cause 1) Aob is FINE but also 2) did he just fall in love with this enemy? Awww!

100% agree!

Something fishy is going on.... cause this show was obviously cleared by the Japanese owners a while ago. They announced this show a year ago, which means they were in talks about it at least months before the announcement. Also, they had to be cleared to be able to announce. Then they took almost a year to film it, and I remember Tay and Newwie saying that the delay was specifically because they (Japanese owner and GMMTV) were working out the legalities. So when they began filming, if everything wasn't to the Japanese owners liking, why didn't they say something before filming finished, or while it was being edited or while it was being promoted to begin...There were waaayyy to many opportunities to stop this and fix what ever was wrong before they aired this. The math is not mathing.

Yeah, I agree that it was supposed to be humorous, but it would have been funnier if she had gone after Tharn, "Like give me the tea, Friend! What's going on with you hand Mr. Hotness over there!" Her bumping into everyone just made it seem like she was again, unprofessional and just not a "put together' as someone who in her position. And it bothers me when they do that to anyone, but especially in one of the few female characters we got. And now that I think about it, even Yai's girlfriend comes off, at least in part, as a harpy/shrew. I don't know of anyone whose partner is away for as long as Yai was that immediately upon returning is as harsh as they made her seem. It would have been so much more balanced if she had shown her loving side as well. Like a big welcoming scene to introduce her character. While I am really loving the show, the way some of the female characters are being portrayed bother me.

This show, which is really good, would be so much better with the unneccesary long shots and extra shots for no reason, like them riding away on the bike, cutting to them zooming away on the bike. Like, once you cut away from the bike, we get it, they left. And this isn't a biking show, so the 5-10 extra seconds of them on the bike, served what purpose? Same for the scene after Mariya smirked after Tharn left because she could sense the sexual tension between them. Like we got it that she GOT it, but then the scene went on to long with her bumping into workers as well as walking away...Like the WHOLE walk away. What was the REASON!? Also, I didn't like that they made her unprofessional. As a member of the police force as well as a doctor, she would not walk in the woods with the earbuds in the middle of an investigation. Especially when she JUST said murders, and drug activity happens there. Then, she cannot take a hit, get back up and help get them out of there to go help catch a serial killer. I hate that weak woman stuff. She would have had to do similar if not exactly the same training as them, or she wouldn't be out in the field.

My last and final complaint is I really wish they had put this on Gagaoolala so that we can get rid of the blurred out bits. LOL. I just want to see something... for research purposes. All joking aside, the nudity isn't necessary but why have it, if they aren't going to show it.

I am digging the storyline, despite the unnecessary overstating the obvious, over dramatized lines. And I am loving the chemistry between Billy and Babe as well as the super tangly complicated storyline of Phaya and Tharn. I am dying to know what past sin Tharn did and to who. Why did the picture brake? What is up with sketchy doctor man? I am REALLY glad that they seem to have enough episodes left to explain it all in detail, so here is hoping they do that and don't leave us hanging. I hope next weeks NC scene is real this time, cause I am ready for these two to admit they like each other.

MeenPing definitely have chemistry together. Meen is hot as hell and Ping is adorable, and that combo helps a multitude of sins. However....I need Ping to step up his game. I actually l loved him in AiLongNhai, but I wanted to see a bit more in this roll. Like being consistent in his comfortability level in a BL. In both this series and ALN, the NC scenes were passable. Not great, but passable. And I kind of overlooked it in ALN, cause it was Ping's first BL I believe. But there were just some scenes (in both series) where it was evident that he was holding back in the intimate scenes. The kiss in the parking lot after Guy finds out Tew is stalking him should have been passionate. Instead they both stood there like statues pressing their lips together. And at least Meen was kissing Ping. Ping stood there giving dead fish lips. I say this about any romance, straight or gay, if your not comfortable kissing your acting partner, regardless of sex, please don't act in a romance. Both Meen and Ping were so stiff in moments that should have been filled with passion and angst, it ruined the scene. For instance, when Guy was begging Tew not to go back to the boss. Ping's crying wasn't bad there, he was really crying there for a bit, but Meen not responding really threw the whole scene off. Ahhh, I just want a bit more from them at this point.
I am also disappointed that we never got a resolution between Tul and Boss. How did Tul forgive Boss, are they boyfriends now, did Tul ever develop feelings for Boss? So many unanswered questions. Like what was the reason that Muffin stopped dressing up, and why were they always acting like she was doing something wrong? Why wasn't Pai at the final scene during the gaming session/dinner?
I truly think 2 more episodes would have been better to sort out everything and make it less...meh. I'd watch another drama with this ship, but I really hope they take more workshops and acting classes before they come back in a series.

I was getting ready to be so upset at the fish lip kiss between August and Day! I couldn't believe Aof would let that slide, and just when I was about to be distraught, the reveal that August was faking his attraction to Day that whole time! ARRRGGHHHH! While I was relieved for Mhok, I was incensed at August. How did he thinking faking love for Day would benefit him. And even if that was his intention, why couldn't he have let Day down easy, instead of running away like a punk for the second time!? A soft, and gentle, hey Day, I thought I could take our relationship further but I was mistaken. Instead he goes with, let me initiate a kiss, and because I find it icky, I'm going to run away and leave a blind man confused and alone, despite promising to help take care of him. Uggghhh!
Moving on to better things, like that kiss between Day and Mhok. Now that was what I expected from Aof. The scene kind of reminded me of Sean and White's kiss in Not Me. Beautifully shot and framed, the story overlapping the kiss. Chef's Kiss! Honestly, no one does longing and heart ache like Aof. I was dying watching Mhok watch Day slip away, just as he realized his feelings. Even going so far as to support his crush and help make August and Day a thing. When he bought the sunflower I thought I was at the highest for the pain level, but when he ran in and saw them kissing and then Day going back in for another kiss. Just lay me to rest. Jimmy conveyed how devastated Mhok was in that moment so well.

I am dying to know what the problem between Day and Night is? They need to spill that tea immediately.
I definitely should have waited til this was all aired, because waiting for another week to see what happened after that kiss is going to be the end of me.

I hope so

This vacillates between good and bad. The concept is a good one. And I am dying to know what happened to Nant. But then you have the scenes where it doesn't make any sense. Like when First finds out Soong was in it for the money. Him hiding behind the post and trying to hold back his tears/screams of rage and hurt fit perfectly. Him confronting immediately, even though he sees his besties boyfriend there too and some how doesn't put 2 and 2 together, even though he heard everything the other guy was talking about was ill timed. Why didn't he wait and record it, and then call his bestie up? Also, how did he find the club where Soong was? I am pretty sure all those guys took great care not to reveal their hideout. Also, why were we boxing in skimpy undies? We already have plenty eye candy, it looks so stupid. Also, why did they keep mentioning dude was huge if it wasn't really and they made every guy he was with ginormous. Like put some padding on the dude if we are going with the narrative he is hung.
How did First find Teena and Nont? What was he doing at that club right then? Was it because of what he found out earlier about Soong? If so, that whole thing would have flowed better if they had the confrontation between each pairing all at the same time.
What I do like about the show is again the plot, and I actually like their approach to showing sexual fluidity. Like people in general are sexual beings, and its not all rainbows and chaste kisses that lead to cut away shots of them with shirts off, but pants still on. Don't get me wrong, I love the fluffy stuff equally as the NC heavy shows (there must be balance). But this show tries to go beyond that. I wish the actors were a bit more daring collectively, though. Like how are we still doing fish kisses and weird ackward humping in a show with fingering, porn and bdsm. Some of the raunchiest scenes are kind of ruined by the lack of commitment to the scene by the actors.
Also, why is Nont so bad at investigating? What was his purpose of making out with Teena, asking questions only a stranger would ask, then walking away only to come back later and do that all over again? He was never going to get answers like that, so the whole scene was weird and stupid. Just like War of Y and Y Destiny, there lack cohesiveness in the plot/storyline/scripts/actor follow through and direction, but then you get scenes that are really well acted and the story is just working, so we stick around hoping it will keep on trend. But it never does...I'll keep watching, but I wish...for something more.

Yep. I definitely feel robbed.

Finished it. I waited through 2 seasons to see Mu-Deok get her powers back and become the badass she was destined to be. Instead, literally the last frame, she is standing behind Jang Uk, waiting for him to take care of the monster. He even mentions she used to be a top tier mage, striking fear in the hearts of literal whole villages, only to be reduced to spotter. What a let down. Don't get me started on the crap death of the bad guys, especially Jin Mu. Just burned to death. No last looks of regret as the realize they are done for? They could of at least all died terrified as the Fire Bird breaks free and consumes. Nope, just Jin Mu laughing literally to death. Also what was with the literal personality change in him. He was always going back and forth between cocky/smug to terrified his plans had fail. After the body switch, he was just nuts. Not even full blown cocky, just aggressive and chaotic, where through 2 seasons he had been the thoughtfully crafty bad guy. Ugh, just no to the whole thing. Also what happened to the king after he was removed? He should have burned with the others. Or some kind of punishment. I'll cherish the first season , up until the propsal, then block out the rest.

I never drop a show, and I probably will finish this because a part of me really wants to know how it ends, but reading the comments is disheartening. I LOVED the first season. It was all the things wrapped into one, a bit of something for everyone. I wasn't keen on the new girl, but it would have worked had they made her even kind of like Mu- Deok. Or at least had Naksu fighting to get back to Jang Uk by way of memory through out the whole thing. Had they made her even a little irritable because Naksu was in there and some of her personality should have been there from the beginning. Had they just had it seem like she was somewhat like her, and then Jang Uk fighting his attraction to her because she didn't look like Mu-Deok but something about her called to him on a deeper level. It would have been great. I'm only on episode 3 and it's already disappointing soo much. How can I continue to root for them when they aren't really "them", not even under the surface? What a let down.

I actually liked the last 2 episodes more than the first one. It's slowly getting better. Jade is calming down a bit and they are finally giving us some romance. But I need episode 4 to ramp up the relationship and explain why Jade has only had one relationship and what happened. I don't think this show deserves this low a rating but I do hope that if they get another project, they have Yim not be an out of the ordinary character. It would be great to see if he can be just the romantic lead and not the comic relief. This show is helped largely by how beautiful Tutor is. I'll keep watching just to see him. But this last episode was actually good, so I am hopeful for continued cuteness.

I think calling this is a BL is where people are thrown off on the plot. They said from the beginning that it was a show about a dude whose twin has disappeared in the underground sex trade world and he pretends to be him to figure it out. That is the plot and so far, that is what we have gotten. The characters are interesting, and complex and twisted. They told us they set to show us something completely different and they have. I never know what to expect from scene to scene or what to expect from each character, but I think this show is designed this way. It reminds of War of Y, in that the plot and some of the execution is done really well, but some of the follow through leaves you wanting, and sometimes really frustrated with the direction of the show. I hope this show doesn't have that problem. I really like how they are going outside the box for exploring sexual relationships, but again, the follow through is kind of mid. All this pseudo nudity and crotch shots, but none of it is believable. None of the kissing or licking looks committed, it looks like I will do the minimum for the scene, and move my head around alot to make it look like I am doing something. That opening scene with tattoo guy irritated me, because it was soooo clear he was no where near the guy's neck to be making all those movements. Just kiss the guys neck! For me the lack of commitment to throws the whole scene off. The best scene, for me in episode 2, was the painting scene. Even though they claimed wasn't sexual, it was erotic and intimate. Believable for each character and the development of their relationship.
I am reserving judgement for the rest of the show, but to me, it isn't as bad as others are making it, but typical of Copy A, some things fell through the production/direction cracks.

Also, the not subbing the Japanese voice over parts is ridiculous that this point. Like if Copy A doesn't do it, Gaga needs to step up and do it. Also, I know at this point it's too late to fix it, but the crappy sex noise voiceovers are not it. Again, the lack of commitment to the shows theme/point is messing up a scene.

Who ever styled Meen for this shoe deserves an award! Especially for the suspender outfit! He is hot! Ping is adorable and I really like this ship. I do wish they would kiss better...it seems lacking in passion, which is what that premature love scene needed. I get they had to move the relationship along because of the limited episodes, but to make that work, we need more time skips and it would be better if the relationship was hot and heavy, for example, like LITA. That show set up the physical attraction right away, from first glance and that tactic would have really lead the audience to truly believe that Tew would give up everything he knew all these years, what he has come to rely on all this time. It would have also helped with Guy walking away from Wahl after being so stuck on him all these years. I also want Meen and Ping to learn to kiss better because after so many BLs, not kissing realistically is off putting. I want to forget that it's Meen and Ping and believe in Tew and Guy, something any good actor should strive for.
I knew Boss was too...something. I hope he can make it up to everyone next episode because he does seem part of the gang.
The only other thing that irks me are the wigs. Muffin was her cutest when she was in the made costume and no wig. But since I know that her character is into dressing up, then at least have her put the stinking wigs on right. The hair peeking out from the edges is just messy and not believable of someone who puts so much thought into their look.

I actually liked Vice Versa, despite it's flaws. I could see the potential of the ship that is JimmySea as well as the acting ability of Sea. I knew Jimmy could act. I thought they both did their best with what they were given in their last series. When I saw that Aof was involved with this, I knew it was going to 1) amazing and 2) a tearjerker based on the subject matter.
This is beautifully shot already. I loved how when we are looking at Day looking at something, the scene goes in and out of focus. That final scene with the fish was beautiful. I kind of wish I had waited to watch this to binge it, cause I don't know how to wait weekly to watch this story develop.