The cheating husband’s are the main culprits of the infidelity because they are the ones that made the marriage…
Oh, I don't think that's a sign of weakness. He's genuinely torn between what he thinks is the right thing to do (end the affair and try again with the marriage) and what he truly desires to do (stay with Song Won and raise the baby together). His role models are his own parents who stuck together.
A lot of people here are calling him an immature baby. Sure, he's young and inexperienced but it's purely in character. As a privileged scion, all he did was go to school and work. He has just one friend who seems cool (and no others, it seems), the hyung at whose studio he first met BHR. He doesn't seem very close to his brother. His busy life doesn't allow him to socialize like BHR does. Along comes this gorgeous woman who is kind, sympathetic, intelligent and helpful. Falling for her and wanting to have both - the marriage and the affair - is understandable!
You bring up a good point. So much time in the first season was spent establishing Pi Young's rocky relationship…
They are also the most attractive, physically, to me at least.
I think what you're getting at is that people are working out their own outrage and unresolved trauma about infidelity through this triangle because all three of them are relatable. Good point, as always.
It IS harder for me to relate to, and therefore engage with others about, someone dumping a family for a celebrity and another leading on a misguided naif who is alone in new country. Their partners are just not that attractive, physically or substantively. I said it before - NGB is a space cadet and AM is a twit, but now she's a dangerous one.
Yes, genius writing and acting indeed. I’m glad we can appreciate it for its entertainment and paradigm-bending…
I think many of us, including myself, have been cheated on. We want to know what happened, what might have gone wrong.
Perhaps some of us came here to get some insight into the mindset of cheaters and their partners, and others came to see how this intriguing premise would be treated. Revenge makjang? A more realistic playing out?
The lack of B/W characters and reasons may be triggering for those who think that the cheating partner in their own life was 100% to blame.
I don't understand why people think murdering someone is the answer to being cheated on. Something is seriously…
We're seeing the misogyny (and incels) on MDL, a cosmopolitan platform with users from around the world. Can you imagine how much worse it must be in SK, where the new right wing is being led by an anti-feminist millennial?
I rewatched Season 1, Episode 1 to review what the wives said they would do if their husbands cheated. So easy to say one thing, but when faced with the painful reality, they've changed their tune. Which we're all entitled to do. I'm reminded of how stifling or dead all those marriages were before the three girlfriends entered the picture.
BHR looked less done, had less makeup, seemed more relatable in those early days, if still insecure enough to surprise her husband at the office. Her idea of cheating was to catch him in the embrace of a sexy younger woman, not realizing that her husband wanted someone MORE mature, not physically hotter. (And Lee Min Young is gorgeous).
The professor here is blamed for leaving his self-sacrificing wife for a celebrity. And sure, Ga Bin's rationale is sketchy and the impact is devastating even if his intention wasn't to hurt his wife by the comparison. But seeing his unsuccessful bids to salvage his marriage - Si Eun always saying no to anything that doesn't involve the kids, putting herself at the end of a long line ... I can see why the vim and vigor of that marriage died. Yes, the prof did too little too late.
The doctor - perhaps in his own mind he was justified in the affair because his wife had lied to him about her dad and parents' divorce. Which is not a reason at all.
Omg perhaps more disturbingly is that as women we have come to expect less of men and we've been desensitized?…
Yes, it's been well documented that women's welfare in the former Communist bloc (including Germany) has regressed if you look at educational attainment, workforce participation, levels of domestic violence, etc. I don't know about upper management or participation on boards or all levels of government - still higher relatively than in the US, I would imagine.
Omg perhaps more disturbingly is that as women we have come to expect less of men and we've been desensitized?…
Yes, it's been well documented that women's welfare in the former Communist bloc (including Germany) has regressed if you look at education attainment, workforce participation, levels of domestic violence, etc. I don't know about upper management or participation on boards or levels of government - still higher relatively than in the US, I would imagine.
Omg perhaps more disturbingly is that as women we have come to expect less of men and we've been desensitized?…
Yes, women do emotional labor, not to mention running the household, raising the kids, keeping track of holidays, fulfilling family duties (gifts for weddings, funerals, teachers), caring for in-laws and their own parents.
The only person who has time to cook a hot breakfast and put her husband's underwear in the fridge is loaded, has domestic help, a self-sufficient kid out of diapers, a suspiciously helpful MIL, and a dying mother. Hmm.
Ah Mi - the most pathetic of all. I see her as hopelessly naive, thinking that a well-established doctor would give up everything for her. But since he is agreeable to the divorce, who knows what will happen.
Ga Bin - I don't remember her saying that - perhaps she changes her mind after meeting Si Eun and the daughter. That seems uncharacteristic and just shitty for a younger woman to say that about an older woman who was kicked to the curb because of her. The only one who seemed genuinely remorseful and resolved to end the "affair" (at least until episode 8) was Song Won, the one who draws the most catty comments here.
Omg perhaps more disturbingly is that as women we have come to expect less of men and we've been desensitized?…
Beating mistresses in public? Geez. One of the few virtues of communism (eastern Europe too) was the greater status women enjoyed. The march to capitalism has accelerated gender inequality.
Ooh i'd so love for this twist to be true. However from the past works of this writer that I've watched, she's…
Would be disappointing if this went Penthouse. (Notice that nobody on those message boards is calling CSJ a homewrecker, ho, etc.) . Now, that one has jumped the shark so many times it's in new territory. This drama is keeping it real even with that slow-acting ghost.
Yes, the writer needs to move things along NOW. This is not Voice - we're not getting a season 3. The ghost needs…
I dislike SPY - perhaps it's because I think elitism, unchecked privilege and hypocrisy are more odious than infidelity. Sorry, I said it.
I had to go back and re-watch the very first episode to remind me what each of the three wives said about cheating and divorce (after they fired the assistant who was attacked by the guest). BHR said at the time she would have gotten divorced. Hmm. SPY had a lot of air time being vicious toward her mother, cementing my poor opinion of her.
You bring up a good point. So much time in the first season was spent establishing Pi Young's rocky relationship…
Sorry, mine was more a comment about which characters are popular (or unpopular) with viewers, regardless of how fully developed they are.
I suppose there's a lot of shorthand with BHR. The way she tosses out the black scarf or the banchan from her in-laws... perhaps the writer wants to contrast this "modern career woman" with the older woman steeped in Chinese philosophy...
You bring up a good point. So much time in the first season was spent establishing Pi Young's rocky relationship…
For that matter, Ah Mi had to be hospitalized for almost killing herself. Big yawn for everyone here. People seem more wrapped up in cheering on BHR and hating on Song Won.
This kind of dramas instead of strengthening females does exactly opposite as there occurs polarisation of viewers,contributing…
I’m a feminist and I have no interest in seeing Sexlife.
I don’t think women should be free to act like men as men are commonly portrayed. I think men should be more like how women are socialized: thoughtful and cautious.
Yes, genius writing and acting indeed. I’m glad we can appreciate it for its entertainment and paradigm-bending…
Someone wondered if I was the writer for defending the integrity of the world she created lol.
Condemning the writer for portraying the girlfriends as 3D characters (mostly) is like blaming the writer of Signal for the mysterious walkie talkie: That is the premise of the show!
Just shows what different worlds we all grew up in. In my world the lawyer got off easy. No man in my world would…
We agree on something @Diva70 and @Ketta Ketta! LOL. I think the character is despicable, yet I can see why the father and son went gaga for her. I also think the actress Kim Bo Yun is very charming.
I think Song Won is out for revenge too. There are so many questions about this couple, such as:1. Why is BHR…
Interesting. I think that would be out of character for Song Won to act vengefully. I mean BHR is ill-tempered, but not malicious, and I think Song Won would be discerning. I think a pregnant 42 yr old (as everyone here loves pointing out :) would accept philosophically that Sa Hun's wife has a right to be angry even if she understands why he wanted out of the marriage.
But sure, now that she knows his wife is the famous Boo Hye Ryung, she may be pulling in a favor with the PD. Maybe her brother is his friend.
Sa Hun's mother - I think her Cold War treatment worked better on her husband than BHR's nuclear reaction on SPH. I don't think his mom identifies at all with BHR, even if she was upset about the oriental medicine gift. The parents prize propriety, family cohesion and traditional gender roles. BHR was already not playing by those rules - which is not a knock against her, by the way.
The parents had not met SW when they encouraged the couple to stay together. No family in Korea encourages divorce as the first option. But the point of their subplot is that the more everyone finds out something new, the more their positions change.
A lot of people here are calling him an immature baby. Sure, he's young and inexperienced but it's purely in character. As a privileged scion, all he did was go to school and work. He has just one friend who seems cool (and no others, it seems), the hyung at whose studio he first met BHR. He doesn't seem very close to his brother. His busy life doesn't allow him to socialize like BHR does. Along comes this gorgeous woman who is kind, sympathetic, intelligent and helpful. Falling for her and wanting to have both - the marriage and the affair - is understandable!
I think what you're getting at is that people are working out their own outrage and unresolved trauma about infidelity through this triangle because all three of them are relatable. Good point, as always.
It IS harder for me to relate to, and therefore engage with others about, someone dumping a family for a celebrity and another leading on a misguided naif who is alone in new country. Their partners are just not that attractive, physically or substantively. I said it before - NGB is a space cadet and AM is a twit, but now she's a dangerous one.
Perhaps some of us came here to get some insight into the mindset of cheaters and their partners, and others came to see how this intriguing premise would be treated. Revenge makjang? A more realistic playing out?
The lack of B/W characters and reasons may be triggering for those who think that the cheating partner in their own life was 100% to blame.
BHR looked less done, had less makeup, seemed more relatable in those early days, if still insecure enough to surprise her husband at the office. Her idea of cheating was to catch him in the embrace of a sexy younger woman, not realizing that her husband wanted someone MORE mature, not physically hotter. (And Lee Min Young is gorgeous).
The professor here is blamed for leaving his self-sacrificing wife for a celebrity. And sure, Ga Bin's rationale is sketchy and the impact is devastating even if his intention wasn't to hurt his wife by the comparison. But seeing his unsuccessful bids to salvage his marriage - Si Eun always saying no to anything that doesn't involve the kids, putting herself at the end of a long line ... I can see why the vim and vigor of that marriage died. Yes, the prof did too little too late.
The doctor - perhaps in his own mind he was justified in the affair because his wife had lied to him about her dad and parents' divorce. Which is not a reason at all.
The only person who has time to cook a hot breakfast and put her husband's underwear in the fridge is loaded, has domestic help, a self-sufficient kid out of diapers, a suspiciously helpful MIL, and a dying mother. Hmm.
Ah Mi - the most pathetic of all. I see her as hopelessly naive, thinking that a well-established doctor would give up everything for her. But since he is agreeable to the divorce, who knows what will happen.
Ga Bin - I don't remember her saying that - perhaps she changes her mind after meeting Si Eun and the daughter. That seems uncharacteristic and just shitty for a younger woman to say that about an older woman who was kicked to the curb because of her. The only one who seemed genuinely remorseful and resolved to end the "affair" (at least until episode 8) was Song Won, the one who draws the most catty comments here.
I had to go back and re-watch the very first episode to remind me what each of the three wives said about cheating and divorce (after they fired the assistant who was attacked by the guest). BHR said at the time she would have gotten divorced. Hmm. SPY had a lot of air time being vicious toward her mother, cementing my poor opinion of her.
I suppose there's a lot of shorthand with BHR. The way she tosses out the black scarf or the banchan from her in-laws... perhaps the writer wants to contrast this "modern career woman" with the older woman steeped in Chinese philosophy...
I don’t think women should be free to act like men as men are commonly portrayed. I think men should be more like how women are socialized: thoughtful and cautious.
Condemning the writer for portraying the girlfriends as 3D characters (mostly) is like blaming the writer of Signal for the mysterious walkie talkie: That is the premise of the show!
But sure, now that she knows his wife is the famous Boo Hye Ryung, she may be pulling in a favor with the PD. Maybe her brother is his friend.
Sa Hun's mother - I think her Cold War treatment worked better on her husband than BHR's nuclear reaction on SPH. I don't think his mom identifies at all with BHR, even if she was upset about the oriental medicine gift. The parents prize propriety, family cohesion and traditional gender roles. BHR was already not playing by those rules - which is not a knock against her, by the way.
The parents had not met SW when they encouraged the couple to stay together. No family in Korea encourages divorce as the first option. But the point of their subplot is that the more everyone finds out something new, the more their positions change.