Yep. People around him knows something. Even the reporter, Hong Joo, knows something. For some unknown reason,…
Yep, it seems that Hong Joo is the key to solving everyone's identities. It is also interesting why she's hiding from her past. It doesn't seem to be a cause of trauma because she's handling her past memories well.
Could it be she's still being threatened by the Head Hunter? She knows full well his reach?
There is also the case of the other killer out to kill Bong Yi. I wonder what was his role in all of these and his connection with Bong Yi.
Suddenly everything became complicated. LOLs. Great twist.
I didn't understand a thing. LOLs. What did it add to the story? I mean, we can skip this and go to episode 13.…
Ahh, yes, the future father-daughter conversation. Yeah, that one is important.
The "Sigma revelation" was the only thing that remained in my mind after the episode, which I don't needed an episode. I mean, we already know Sigma is a megalomaniac, a scene or two from his childhood would have suffice.
Tae-san, a bit so-so. It was already revealed in the previous episode so there wasn't much to add in episode 12. Probably they should've focused on the future, the world Seo Hae left behind. Built up that father-daughter relationship deeper since that was what the scenes were for. The father-daughter scene in 2020 is different, there's a disconnection, and we already know what he did after that.
I didn't understand a thing. LOLs. What did it add to the story? I mean, we can skip this and go to episode 13.…
Yeah, but that's pretty much it. It doesn't need a whole episode just to reveal Sigma was his former elementary classmate who is a megalomaniac. Sigma being megalomaniac was already established.
I have a doubt... I have watched 3 episodes and can't understand how did Jung In get transported to the future…
Ahh, the one where she was in DBS and then became a reporter in TIMES? That was in 2020 too, if I remember correctly, the scenes forwarded after the announcement her father won the election, all the while there is a "conversation" about changing the past.
Yep, that part was confusing. But the scene where Jung In was in DBS and then became a TIMES reporter were both in 2020. ^_^
i don't think Han Seo-jun manipulate Jung Ba-reum brain with Sung Yo-han's because he looks confused when Ba-reum…
Yep. People around him knows something. Even the reporter, Hong Joo, knows something. For some unknown reason, they want him not to remember, especially Hong Joo, she's afraid of something so she's hiding her real identity.
Care to enlighten us why they are suddenly attacking Mr. Queen and dragging its actors into this issue? Was it…
And that is a very good point, "two-faced" or "double standards".
I agree, this whole overreaction by the Koreans (or at least the vocal ones), only shows their double standard on things. While the zealot mob use these issues and non-issues to drag everyone down.
The more we objectively analyze this issue, the more it is appearing there is a group behind this. A lot of it doesn't make any sense, for example, I refuse to believe Koreans can not differentiate between fact and fiction, otherwise, it would mean they're uneducated. For them to turn into a zealot mob, "historical inaccuracy" does not fit because they've been making countless of "historical fiction" and "alternate history" genres of shows for decades.
Currently, I'm seeing it as "because China" and everything else were only used to flame the fire. In mainland China, I actually think their government is behind the cultural attacks against other nations, they are using their own people to attack Korea without making it [obviously] political and militaristic.
Care to enlighten us why they are suddenly attacking Mr. Queen and dragging its actors into this issue? Was it…
That is the one of the many issues surrounding Mr. Queen but it still doesn't answer why they are dragging a previous show and attacking the actors "today". Also, it doesn't align with the OP's statement about "historical figures".
Sticking to what the OP is arguing about -- "[twisting] historical figures" -- then why are they dragging Mr. Queen and attacking the actors? It's done. It's over.
Obviously the real issue here is "because China". Everything else were just used to flame the fire.
Do people seriously believe Koreans can not differentiate between fact and fiction? Because if that is their culture, then why are the decision makers in production companies, agencies, and sponsors, even the KOREAN actors themselves, agreeing to make dramas that are "historical fiction" or "alternate history"?
They are not dumb nor stupid. The real issue here is "because China". It's not about "historical accuracy" as the OP is claiming.
At first when hearing about the controversies over the Chinese food, I too thought that it was an over-reaction.…
Care to enlighten us why they are suddenly attacking Mr. Queen and dragging its actors into this issue? Was it because they turned king Cheoljong into … what exactly? Was it because king Cheoljong was changed into someone who's actually wise, fair, and removed the Andong Kim clan, contrary to "historical facts"?
So you are saying that alternate history works wherein Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan won World War II is "different"…
And that's the problem. We are only into episode 2 and you and everyone else decided the "historical figures" were turned "bad"?
Do you think the Korean top brass of the production company and TV network will approve the script if it is what you and everyone else are claiming it to be? Do you think the sponsors would fund their show if it is what everybody is claiming it to be? Do you think the agencies of the actors, and the actors themselves, will sign-up for their roles?
No. Not one of them will approve it nor give funding because they are Koreans themselves and they know their own people's sensitivities. If they all approved it, if the actors signed-up for their roles even though they can refuse, then it means the script, the plots, and the overall story did not turn "historical figures" into something "bad" but rather is the opposite, they were turned into even a bigger hero.
This issue is nothing but a case of being victimized by a zealot mob because of the "China" issue. In psychology, it was always explained that once a group people turned into a zealot mob, they stop being objective and starts to turn non-issues into big issues. They let Mr. Queen continue because they were enjoying it, they were laughing, and probably they can not find any other faults they can blow over. But look, they are now dragging Mr. Queen too and targeting the actors directly. Can you still honestly say that this was because of turning "good guys into bad guys"? If it really is as simple as that, why drag Mr. Queen and its actors?
If Korea and Japan still had a major issue between themselves when The King: Eternal Monarch was aired, it would probably receive the same treatment as Joseon Exorcist today.
Lols, the current prince is not even member of that association from what I was able to gather.
I have a doubt... I have watched 3 episodes and can't understand how did Jung In get transported to the future…
Jung In (2020) was talking to Jin Woo (2015) through their special cellphone. Only Jung In (2020) remembers the changes because she was involved in it.
Guess I'll never know what was the deal with those 'Evil Spirits' and whether they were zombies or vampires...
The "evil spirits" are demons under the control of the Fallen Angel Azazel (based on the Book of Enoch).
In Joseon Exorcist, the demons can possess a human being by infecting them with some disease. They are slowly killed, then once dead, they take over the body (blue blood).
Even the Vatican Priest knew when one is a lost cause.
Azazel, if I remember correctly, is the right-hand man of Lucifer.
As to, was the former king and the current king actually involved in bringing Azazel in Joseon? We will never know. I think that rumour is actually a rumour. Remember, rumours are 50% lies and 50% truth. It could very well be that the Vatican warned Joseon capture some Western caravan but they probably asked for asylum so they let them enter.
Take for example, in episode 2, the daughter of some chief was pretty much "human" still when she was brought home. The current king's third son is pretty much still human too. If a Western caravan arrives, and you found nothing wrong with them despite the warnings by some Western nation, as you think of yourself as independent, the natural reaction is to ignore the warning.
In the end, they were wrong. Thus it went down as a rumour that the former king and current king "brought Azazel into Joseon" because if you don't have all the facts, that how it will look exactly.
But they, that's just my analysis based on the clues dropped in both episodes 1 and 2.
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Could it be she's still being threatened by the Head Hunter? She knows full well his reach?
There is also the case of the other killer out to kill Bong Yi. I wonder what was his role in all of these and his connection with Bong Yi.
Suddenly everything became complicated. LOLs. Great twist.
The "Sigma revelation" was the only thing that remained in my mind after the episode, which I don't needed an episode. I mean, we already know Sigma is a megalomaniac, a scene or two from his childhood would have suffice.
Tae-san, a bit so-so. It was already revealed in the previous episode so there wasn't much to add in episode 12. Probably they should've focused on the future, the world Seo Hae left behind. Built up that father-daughter relationship deeper since that was what the scenes were for. The father-daughter scene in 2020 is different, there's a disconnection, and we already know what he did after that.
Yep, that part was confusing. But the scene where Jung In was in DBS and then became a TIMES reporter were both in 2020. ^_^
I hope it helps!
I love how they are using existing theories and studies in this series to build up the twists and turns.
I agree, this whole overreaction by the Koreans (or at least the vocal ones), only shows their double standard on things. While the zealot mob use these issues and non-issues to drag everyone down.
The more we objectively analyze this issue, the more it is appearing there is a group behind this. A lot of it doesn't make any sense, for example, I refuse to believe Koreans can not differentiate between fact and fiction, otherwise, it would mean they're uneducated. For them to turn into a zealot mob, "historical inaccuracy" does not fit because they've been making countless of "historical fiction" and "alternate history" genres of shows for decades.
Currently, I'm seeing it as "because China" and everything else were only used to flame the fire. In mainland China, I actually think their government is behind the cultural attacks against other nations, they are using their own people to attack Korea without making it [obviously] political and militaristic.
I'm glad you understood my question. ^_^
Sticking to what the OP is arguing about -- "[twisting] historical figures" -- then why are they dragging Mr. Queen and attacking the actors? It's done. It's over.
Obviously the real issue here is "because China". Everything else were just used to flame the fire.
Do people seriously believe Koreans can not differentiate between fact and fiction? Because if that is their culture, then why are the decision makers in production companies, agencies, and sponsors, even the KOREAN actors themselves, agreeing to make dramas that are "historical fiction" or "alternate history"?
They are not dumb nor stupid. The real issue here is "because China". It's not about "historical accuracy" as the OP is claiming.
Do you think the Korean top brass of the production company and TV network will approve the script if it is what you and everyone else are claiming it to be?
Do you think the sponsors would fund their show if it is what everybody is claiming it to be?
Do you think the agencies of the actors, and the actors themselves, will sign-up for their roles?
No. Not one of them will approve it nor give funding because they are Koreans themselves and they know their own people's sensitivities. If they all approved it, if the actors signed-up for their roles even though they can refuse, then it means the script, the plots, and the overall story did not turn "historical figures" into something "bad" but rather is the opposite, they were turned into even a bigger hero.
This issue is nothing but a case of being victimized by a zealot mob because of the "China" issue. In psychology, it was always explained that once a group people turned into a zealot mob, they stop being objective and starts to turn non-issues into big issues. They let Mr. Queen continue because they were enjoying it, they were laughing, and probably they can not find any other faults they can blow over. But look, they are now dragging Mr. Queen too and targeting the actors directly. Can you still honestly say that this was because of turning "good guys into bad guys"? If it really is as simple as that, why drag Mr. Queen and its actors?
If Korea and Japan still had a major issue between themselves when The King: Eternal Monarch was aired, it would probably receive the same treatment as Joseon Exorcist today.
Lols, the current prince is not even member of that association from what I was able to gather.
In Joseon Exorcist, the demons can possess a human being by infecting them with some disease. They are slowly killed, then once dead, they take over the body (blue blood).
Even the Vatican Priest knew when one is a lost cause.
Azazel, if I remember correctly, is the right-hand man of Lucifer.
As to, was the former king and the current king actually involved in bringing Azazel in Joseon? We will never know. I think that rumour is actually a rumour. Remember, rumours are 50% lies and 50% truth. It could very well be that the Vatican warned Joseon capture some Western caravan but they probably asked for asylum so they let them enter.
Take for example, in episode 2, the daughter of some chief was pretty much "human" still when she was brought home. The current king's third son is pretty much still human too. If a Western caravan arrives, and you found nothing wrong with them despite the warnings by some Western nation, as you think of yourself as independent, the natural reaction is to ignore the warning.
In the end, they were wrong. Thus it went down as a rumour that the former king and current king "brought Azazel into Joseon" because if you don't have all the facts, that how it will look exactly.
But they, that's just my analysis based on the clues dropped in both episodes 1 and 2.