dizzyjazeasher

koreans too. tell me about it kissable lips

i know it's a drama, but logic wise, it's obvious that DaoNuea still has likings for Kluen, why doesnt Kluen just straight up tell DaoNuea that he likes him too? what's he afraid of?

or Kluen could at least say that he isnt a pair with Gia?

the only way i can explain this is if Kluen isn't certain that Dao still likes him, so he keeps it in (which seems to be the premise of the show).

any other thoughts?

imma tell you to stay away from "Until we meet again" with a ten-foot pole.

it's a good show but it's a tragedy with a bang indeed.

yeah bad buddy has veteran actors with awards under their belts, can't compare.

It's a nice watch, i can overlook some of the amateurish acting since the camera work and editing aids a lot in storytelling (experienced actors tend to storytell on their own more effortlessly).

Semantic error had an amazing director who is sick with framing, lighting and off-character language + the cast had good chemistry and some experience.

nowadays, chemistry and eye candies are just the minimal start-up pack (im not complaining though)

i hope this show impresses me more too~

the director is known for the 'drama' in dramas. tbh im not too confident in the actors' ability to carry it that way (lack of experience) but we'll see.

if the script is okay it'll help on many grounds. This came from a well-liked novel right? think it shld be fine

i think maybe the confession back at high school went awry and made Nuea lose his self-worth?

so seeing Kluen = reminder of how unloved he was by the one he liked
yet there is tension cos he's trying to get over him for his own sake. (perfectly valid logic)

Kluen better not play any games.. no fishing around i've enough shows that do that thanks

feels sad for Phai. He deserves someone who loves and cares for himself as much as he does.

Does he have a CP or is he the 'Eponine' (Les Misérables reference) in this story?

Pink hair girl seems to have some backstory to dig too..

with every episode i'm disliking Ram more and more - dude and his possessiveness, and what makes matters worse is that no status nor explanation/rationale is given.

On the other hand, Lukchub is behaving like a pushover (cos he has likings for Ram).

It's logical and makes sense for the characters - but it's frustrating as a viewer to see them dawdle in their pool of issues without character growth and development (or if any, minimal) in an entire episode.

Towards the last few scenes im like - dudes, it's time to 'define the relationship' please.

Im thinking of a similar conversation from Kao to Pete (another show: kiss me again) when Kao straight-up tells Pete he has no right to care about who Kao hangs out or is romantically involved with as nothing in their status gives him that right.

maybe this development will drag on for 3 episodes or so ..

i thought that put things in a different light and perspective for me, thank you for that!

esp the bit about "his challenge won't be in thinking for himself, it will be in acting against a wave to put his own desires first"

Let's hope the plot wouldn't crumble in the later episodes, the production value of the shots are worrying me slightly.

True that!
Thank you everyone for your thoughts about this, helped me to see things differently

@ThatgirlEmma @Angelika @mimi8596 @Hhhyaya

agree with you! but that haircut.. they should do something about it ..

thanks! it does explain that Kinn wasnt in top form.

but my question remains - is why does top form Kinn beat the ass out of Porsche still? unless he's also a national champion..

valid pov but to me it's a bit weak..

i don't see porsche being attracted (not yet) to Kinn. but we shall see!

agreed wholeheartedly.

i am here all for the toxic in dramas, meaningful character development, and perhaps a good take-away message from the director's team if they have it.

all the talk about what's right/wrong.. people it's a MAFIA. if the show aint ending with all of them going to jail then will you "rate it 1.0" ??!!!

context, storytelling, genre. not every book is a fairytale, not every TV show is dora the explorer.

can someone enlighten me why a former national taekwondo player + frequenter of underground fightclubs, could not win in 1-to-1 fight against mafia heir? (considering that he also needed Porsche's help to fight off the thugs previously)

[not in anyway not liking the show, just a point that was something puzzling to me]

same with you .
not a popular opinion but it's so cringe it's good. i can overlook all other matters just for a good comedic-romantic giggle

Im not sure if i'd describe Ram as 'overcautious', i think it's more like he's insensitive or unfeeling towards feelings that are not his own (for now only, i hope)

Phai and Sky spoke up at different moments so it's all clear to Ram - i hope he realises his inaction and what it means.

thing is, Lukchub needs to think for himself because that means thinking for them too - not defining and communicating your expectations and assumptions now (even for friendships) = burying problems under the carpet, only for it to explode in your face emotionally later on.

but i guess that's what the rest of the 8 or 9 episodes are for - Drama it is.

nothing against that but i hope there's good character development for all the characters.

This dude Ram has so many clear-headed voices around calling him out and helping him to realize stuff (even his baby sister for crying out loud).
Lukchub similarly has a clear-headed bunch of friends - he gotta learn to love with dignity and wisdom, cos that is not just for his sake but Ram's sake as well.

Acting wise it's quite amateurish but can be overlooked since the script is still alright in pushing the plot forward for now imho. Most of them are new actors i believe? Line deliveries (emotion and space) is the weakest link for now i feel.

im taking Phai's 'i treat him as my own brother' posture as it is for now, until something else tells me otherwise conclusively.

i also like that they're revealing bit by bit about Lukchub's family/upbringing, so we can peer into his world and understand more.

sidenote: Lukchub's actor has a nice timbre to his voice. I hope he sings a song or two

there're updated chinese subs on bilibili if it works for you - pm me if you want them

it's something else entirely between taesung and mom - but i don't think they have the time to sort it out within the short episodes here.

not sure if it helps, but the translation is not super accurate i feel? The chinese subs i see (the chinese language is closer to korean language so less content is lost) translates Taesung's reflection on his bed after the forcing incident to :

"I forced myself onto haebom. I've liked him all these while not for the sake of doing this to him."

On the context of consent - agree wholeheartedly. My view is that in the world of high schoolers in context, they wouldnt have the maturity to go into the specifics of the values and philosophy as to what was wrong and to single intentions, motives, actions out accordingly. Not to say that it's not important, but if they were to do that it would break out of the realism of the drama.

i think the point the drama team tried to drive across was that Taesung knew that the action was wrong and that the guilt of doing that to someone he loves hangs on him. Not much was mentioned about the internal workings of Hae Bom to that apology (on purpose i feel, for the audience to fill in on their own). The message that Hae Bom brought to the floor was his confusion of where that action came from (given Hae Bom's low self-esteem and worth).

The scene rounds up with an underlying lesson learnt on Taesung's side, where he decided to never hurt Hae Bom again and told Hae Bom to forget his confession if it hurt Hae Bom that much (Hae Bom was in tears when answering Taesung) ---- Taesung did not push further, he felt wrong to have hurt Hae Bom enough, and was willing to give up on this love and continue to hold his crush one-sidedly.

(only after Hae Bom reached out later on, did Taesung respond with pushing for them again. My view is that he decided to give up for Hae Bom's sake already)

I hope these character/scene analysis would help to shed some light on the internal tension that the characters have gone through. Don't get me wrong, what Taesung did was still wrong, but i'm glad the tension portrayed reveals the posture and development of the character on this issue. I'm always more keen to see/go along with the characters on their growth journey, rather than simply 'be told what is wrong' and/or 'punishment meted out for those who deserve it'. It's a theatrical/storytelling thing? like 'show not tell'

my 2 cents~