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I already mentioned that. That kiss was odd. It also does not explain why they never kissed when they were incredibly turned on and working each other's man-stick. Which was also odd.

I found it strange and revealing that both times Chian and F4M did the hand jive, they never kissed, not once, even when it seemed like they were about to, which was an obvious choice in the writing/direction. Anyone care to comment on what the meaning of that is? I have some ideas... I know they made out that one time on the street, but that kiss was strange...like to mouths AT each other rather than INTO each other.

I don't think Bua/BB ever kissed either. Thoughts?

You're already dead on that hill and don't know it.

One last time: The show is PARTLY about consumerism. I never said it was ONLY about consumerism, as you keep pretending to be the case.

I don't take this personally, but nice try at misdirection.

Ummm...no.

Never mind.

oops.

OK...now you're edging into arrogance and your comments are becoming pedantic. NO ONE, least of all me, said the show is ONLY about consumerism. I said the critique and criticisms of consumerism are all over the place in the script/plot/settings/set dressing/etc. but most commenters are missing it.

I'm not here to read your essays insisting that your viewpoint on this show is the intellectual/only one that's valid, which is laughable. But good on you for writing all that out. I skimmed most of it for the time being. When someone says "THIS is what this book/movie/play/whatever is about, and it is only about THIS one thing as I say it is," I tune them out pretty quickly. I tuned you out. Tell someone else about it.

hmmm...here's how I see it: They THINK they are being transparent but they are not, at least not fully. But I get what you're saying for the most part.

I'll start by saying there is no reason the show can't be about consumerism and a host of other issues. I never wrote that it is ONLY about consumerism: I said that consumerism and the massive artificiality of their lifestyle if being critiqued here over and over in ways that are going over most viewers' heads when it is all over the place on the screen. They and the characters in the show exist WITHIN that intense, plastic, consumerist culture to the extent they cannot see that is the case, which is not surprising. I think most of us fight all our lives to see who we are and how we live from the outside rather than in. Most Americans at least, seem far too shallow to even know what I'm talking about. (I'm American and it's a horrible time to be American right now.)

I don't think it's a teen thing either. This shit goes down for most people all their lives. The just suffer in silence, most having given up.

I pretty much agree with everything else you wrote. Another note is that as I watched I became more and more agitated about and by F4M as the show progressed. He felt like one thing in the beginning but quickly was shown to be something else, and that frustrated and disturbed me. A few episodes in i realized F4M is ME! Many of his awful relationship choices are mirror images of those I've made throughout my life. OF COURSE he made me uncomfortable! Who tf wants to look honestly in the mirror? lol

Boss was making me do that, the bastard. :)

I get what you're saying and his youth can be a factor, but think of all the supposed adults who stay in horrible relationships and marriages, and who repeat destructive patterns with intimate partners all their lives. This is not just a teenage thing.

I don't "blame" him for his behavior, I understand it but wish someone would help him see what he is doing. And yet...he already DOES see what he's doing and he does it again anyway, with tears in his eyes.

The problem for me is I don't feel the script/plot has shown me WHY or WHAT about Chian he is attracted to. I found him creepy and weird looking on first sight. I loathe that weird, blank smile he puts on his face when asked something intimate and important. He's a weirdo. If F4M is attracted to his weirdness, the script did not show me how F4M became that kind of dude; nor did it show me why he is self-destructive. In the first episode's early scenes I found him delightful to watch but then things quickly got strange when he fixated on stalker/serial killer Chian.

Remember? He peed himself while sitting in that chair during that four-way drama queen show down in episode 6. The chair was shown sitting in the same place in ep. 7. It is upholstered. No way you could get that clean. :D

I look forward to hearing those stories. :P

Not familiar with Angles or the other places. HI is the one OKC spot I ever ventured to.

Oh let's not...Kansan here, though I lived 25 years on the East coast before returning two years ago. I live in Lawrence (Rock Chalk Jayhawk!) now. Got my grad degree from KU. Only town in the state I could bear to live in.

On the other hand, I'm a life-long OU football fan (not basketball, that's KU all the way), and attended OU for two of the best, drunkest years of my life. :D My sister lives in Norman.

I had a few naughty nights at OKC's Habana Inn back in the day too. :) I just checked and I'm glad to see it's still going strong. Have you committed crimes against nature there as well?

The most traumatizing scene of the entire series was the sight of that upholstered chair STILL in Bua's room days after the you-know-what happened. Stinky!

Or...you could simply block me rather than bore me with your "I'm a black gay man so I know how ALL gay men all over the world, every single one of them, white and Asian and Thai and in Bangkok and everywhere else acts and behaves and treats other people and why they do it" schtick. You have the self awareness of a tick.

Now kindly step off and move on to the next series! Or better yet...block me...please.

He should have just killed her on the beach...

Not a terrible flick, but definitely a missed opportunity. With some better writing, better directing, and a few extra takes to correct some cheesy acting, this could be a nice little serial killer film. More of the ML naked would have helped too.

wtf did he give her the $$$?

6/10

I enjoy your darkly realistic take on things here... :D

"They finally were all honest and transparent about their feelings."

lol These guys don't even know what their own feelings are. How can they be honest and transparent about them?

Go ahead and block me. If you think Chian came "to his senses," you missed half the show.

Wow. Did you even watch this show? How old are you?

So ALL straight women treat ALL straight women the way you describe, eh?

No one, least of all me, said ALL gay men (Chian) treat all OTHER gay men the way Chian treated F4M. This is behavior specific to this pair of individuals and to other individuals who behave this way, not to ALL men or ALL women or ALL turtles or whatever.

Take your psuedo-intellectual misandry elsewhere. I don't need it.
I'm glad to know when the sequel comes out I won't have to run into your face in comments, as you've announced you won't be watching. BUT, we all know you will...