So the two fuckboys can't get each other out of their heads. And can't keep their hands off each other. Fahlan…
I appreciate the physical element to their attraction that we don't usually see, but I didn't feel any chemistry between the actors. Animal sex without sensuality comes off as cold and mechanical.
I've been thinking about what's not working with his show, because on paper it has a lot going for it - attractive cast, pretty good cinematography and overall produciton quality, not overly-tropey, and characters don't approach sex like 12-year old Victorians.
I think it's the lack of chemistry between the leads. I just don't feel it, even when they're having sex. Rough sex is fine, but it still needs to have a sensual quality to it. Fahlan (the love-child of Joss Wayar and Earth Teerapat) is just dour, and Sher isn't much better.
Last episode I was intrigued by the color-scheme (e.g. the music club and everything in it was blue), but the relentless monochromaticism is cold and distancing (what was with Fah's shirt? It looked like he'd been dive-bombed by a flock of angry pigeons). I suppose that's to reflect Fah & Sher's attitude toward each other, but maybe the color should have reflected their inner feelings instead, like Hello Stranger did so effectively.
This is more coherent and better-written than Love In the Air, with more equally-matched protagonists, but Fahlanruk lacks the warmth and charm of that series, which I think it much more enjoyable to watch. And talk about chemistry.
Anyway, this isn't awful, but it's too cold. Prince & Gear are a standout, which seems to be a nearly unanimous view here - it's a pity they aren't the main couple.
This is starting to get difficult to make myself watch. BL really needs to retire using a misunderstood hug as the sole source of plot momentum. It's an overused cliche, and now Charlie is an unsympathetic character who is horrible to everyone just because he jumped to a silly conclusion. I'm tired of people doing that instead of just having a brief discussion to clear things up.
Also, is this BL? There's been absolutely none so far, except that Felix likes Kajo. We're on Ep 9 and nothing has really happened. This is getting by solely on the good looks of the cast.
I couldn't agree more. Talking about kiss: KhaoFirst's kiss in The Eclipse was excellent. It wasn't passionate…
I agree to an extent - but shooting days are very long, and if all your dialog is that awful and the directing that bad, there's only so much you can get from an actor. If you go to 7:00, you can almost hear the director saying "Jimmy, get your hand off his neck - too sexy." A little squeeze, run his thumb over Sea's ear, anything other than just draping his hand over the tub. And look at Sea's arm. Obviously just resting on Jimmy's thigh. Would you just leave your hand right there when here are so many goodies inches away?
Their kisses are so so forced lmaoSea puts in a lot more effort than JimmyThat bathtub scene could have been chef's…
I think they both did their best, but it was directorial choices that ruined it. First of all, passionately making out in a bathtub doesn't really work, at least not without getting a huge amount of water everywhere. But the decision to have them sitting side-by-side with the arms just draped over the tub made sure there was no passion. I don't understand where you're seeing any difference between Jimmy and Sea in that scene, except maybe that Jimmy was slightly underneath Sea so had even less freedom of motion and look a bit more static, whereas Sea could lean into him a bit, and kising "up" gave him the illusion of effort.
For there to be some heat, they needed to be touching each other and pressing their bodies together. To do nothing with their hands looked strange and cold.
If you're not willing to make something sexual, then don't have to grown men naked in a tub. A good hug would have been better than that.
Was only one of them going back potentially an outcome that we knew about or is this a complete surprise?
It's meant to be a surprise - it certainly is for Talay and Puen. Some people were expecting it due to one of the trailers, but I don't remember anything like that.
Well, that was profoundly boring - except the ending, which was clever and not formulaic and predictable.
I think the problem with this show is the writing and directing. I know, just two minor things. The casting of the main pair isn't fantastic, either.
Addressing the latter, Jimmy & Sea are too similar in "type" and both inexperienced, which could have been overcome with good directing. But notice how good Jimmy was when he was playing against experienced actors like Tun's parents, or how good he was in Bad Buddy when acting with Ohm & Nanon. That's one of the problems with studios casting rookies as main characters.
But the writing. Ugh. In the 10 episodes we've had so far, there has been at most 4 eps worth of content. The only excuse for spending so much time like this is to develop Talay & Puen's relationship, which they didn't do. Just having one of them say revoltingly corny "sweet" things ENDLESSLY and wiping food off each other's faces is not relationship develpment, it's creative bankruptcy and lack of basic writing skills, not to mention boring as f@#%. What purpose did it serve to have them make TWO films? They had exactly the same plot purpose, which was... well, there was no purpose, but the purpose was nonexistent in exactly the same way.
So how do you improve a boring plot thread? How about repeat it almost exactly? They were even the same type of film! You know what would have been fun? Seeing some of the film they made. Maybe the first one was hilariously bad, like The Room, or lampoons BL with an endless sequence of cliches. Then the second one is really good, maybe a period drama putting the production's genius wardrobe design team to good use.
If a critical element of the sequence to get home is a dream, maybe you could, and maybe I'm going out on a limb here, SHOW THE DREAM. What the f@#$, man? Dreams are really fun to write, because you can go OTT with allegory and symbolism.
And the kiss... So what was wrong with it? In a bathtub, wet, muscular torsos glistening, actually kissing instead of just static lips touching... and zero heat.
Compare this to Love In the Air. Why is the kissing in that 100 times better? The answer is in what the rest of the actor's bodies are doing. Jimmy's & Sea's arms are casually drapped over the side of the tub, and they're sitting side-by-side with no outward sign either of them have any desire to be doing this scene. In Love ITA, their bodies are crushed together, their hands are running through each other's hair, hands on faces & throats, etc., the heat in their eyes - you believed they wanted each other. But not in VV. Seriously, who would not at least feel up Jimmy's abs? Even a straight guy or a lesbian would want to know what they feel like.
Anyway, that was100% directing - where the actors had any control, they threw themselves into it.
He was acting like that because he was naked from the waist down and hard as a rock. It was not just jokes. I…
I really don't understand your objection at all. They were playing around, and Rain was so turned on he stayed hard when his mother was in the room, usually a serious boner-shrinker. You're making it sound like Phayu was raping him, which is disturbing.
I love that Kung immediately saw "it" when Cake said "she's my girlfriend, right?" when asked if he loves her. He was not buying it, for sure.
Why were they playing "Mary Had A Little Lamb" when Cake was talking to his mother?
The improv scenes of this show are all so good - I just wish the plot was a tad more compressed. Like by about 4 episodes. I actually thought I'd clicked on the wrong episode because I was sure I'd already watched this one.
I feel like you may have misunderstood what's happening. They just met in the past, and future JW has gone back…
If he'd known him the entire time since he was ten, then I would agree that would be weird. But JH died, so 15 years have passed and he's just a distant memory for JW. I can remember my best friend when we were 10, but we've been friends the entire time since then, so I know him very well.
If you don't see someone for 15 years, they're essentially a stranger. More than a stranger, because your memory of them is limited to the perceptions of a child. Meeting them as an adult and seeing them from an adult perspective is totally different.
In the case of JH, if he finds out JW is the adult version of the little boy he knows, THAT he'll find weird (beside the supernatural aspect) because he knows and is attached to JW as a child.
from the boarding house lady remembering SJW's face to KJH's photograph that was taken while he was holding the…
The biggest inhibitor to this happening in the drama is probably practical - they'd either have to cast a different acto for 40-year old JH or age him with makeup, which doesn't seem likely to work well.
If it's a drama where they start out with a big age difference, they can pull the 180 Degree Longitude trick and cast an actor who's only 34 to play a man in his mid 40s.
from the boarding house lady remembering SJW's face to KJH's photograph that was taken while he was holding the…
Yes, that would be really weird to be around yourself as a kid. If that happened to me I'd bore my young self to death reciting a litany of things he should definitely NOT do.
It's funny - I was in my late 30s and ended up on a few dates with a 21-year old, and it wasn't working for me because he'd just finished university and I had an established career - the difference in where we were in life was too great for a relationship. I told him he was too young for me, and he replied "I don't think you're too old for me at all."
That irritated me. "I didn't say I was TOO OLD for YOU, I said you're TOO YOUNG for ME."
"Not too old" is like saying "Old, yes. But not undead-level too old". Kind of like when someone says "You look really good... FOR YOUR AGE."
In short, age difference doesn't work very well until you're both older. 25 is a bit too young for most people to know who they are and what they want (especially for men), and be far enough along in life to be a partner - an older man is essenially a daddy. So 25 & 40 is quite a bit more difficult than 30 & 45.
This is more than a little self-indulgent and pointless, but sometimes you have to sit back and enjoy pointless self-indulgence. These boys get serious points for being that comfortable - and convincing - in intimacy scenes. That was just plain making out. And it wasn't like usual when you can visibly see the actors think it's icky - they both play it beauifully.
Rain really isn't my type, but Noeul is really good - he has a certain charm and it's nice to see a character who acts his age.
And Sky... we need more Sky. A lot more. Whenever he's onscreen it just... it's like a really humid day, and then it rains and the world is fresh and beautiful.
had to pause, tryna figure out what just happened in that suppository scene. I’m gonna go with the consensus…
He was acting like that because he was naked from the waist down and hard as a rock. It was not just jokes. I don't think non-consensual medical care is partiularly wrong.
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I think it's the lack of chemistry between the leads. I just don't feel it, even when they're having sex. Rough sex is fine, but it still needs to have a sensual quality to it. Fahlan (the love-child of Joss Wayar and Earth Teerapat) is just dour, and Sher isn't much better.
Last episode I was intrigued by the color-scheme (e.g. the music club and everything in it was blue), but the relentless monochromaticism is cold and distancing (what was with Fah's shirt? It looked like he'd been dive-bombed by a flock of angry pigeons). I suppose that's to reflect Fah & Sher's attitude toward each other, but maybe the color should have reflected their inner feelings instead, like Hello Stranger did so effectively.
This is more coherent and better-written than Love In the Air, with more equally-matched protagonists, but Fahlanruk lacks the warmth and charm of that series, which I think it much more enjoyable to watch. And talk about chemistry.
Anyway, this isn't awful, but it's too cold. Prince & Gear are a standout, which seems to be a nearly unanimous view here - it's a pity they aren't the main couple.
Also, is this BL? There's been absolutely none so far, except that Felix likes Kajo. We're on Ep 9 and nothing has really happened. This is getting by solely on the good looks of the cast.
For there to be some heat, they needed to be touching each other and pressing their bodies together. To do nothing with their hands looked strange and cold.
If you're not willing to make something sexual, then don't have to grown men naked in a tub. A good hug would have been better than that.
I think the problem with this show is the writing and directing. I know, just two minor things. The casting of the main pair isn't fantastic, either.
Addressing the latter, Jimmy & Sea are too similar in "type" and both inexperienced, which could have been overcome with good directing. But notice how good Jimmy was when he was playing against experienced actors like Tun's parents, or how good he was in Bad Buddy when acting with Ohm & Nanon. That's one of the problems with studios casting rookies as main characters.
But the writing. Ugh. In the 10 episodes we've had so far, there has been at most 4 eps worth of content. The only excuse for spending so much time like this is to develop Talay & Puen's relationship, which they didn't do. Just having one of them say revoltingly corny "sweet" things ENDLESSLY and wiping food off each other's faces is not relationship develpment, it's creative bankruptcy and lack of basic writing skills, not to mention boring as f@#%. What purpose did it serve to have them make TWO films? They had exactly the same plot purpose, which was... well, there was no purpose, but the purpose was nonexistent in exactly the same way.
So how do you improve a boring plot thread? How about repeat it almost exactly? They were even the same type of film! You know what would have been fun? Seeing some of the film they made. Maybe the first one was hilariously bad, like The Room, or lampoons BL with an endless sequence of cliches. Then the second one is really good, maybe a period drama putting the production's genius wardrobe design team to good use.
If a critical element of the sequence to get home is a dream, maybe you could, and maybe I'm going out on a limb here, SHOW THE DREAM. What the f@#$, man? Dreams are really fun to write, because you can go OTT with allegory and symbolism.
And the kiss... So what was wrong with it? In a bathtub, wet, muscular torsos glistening, actually kissing instead of just static lips touching... and zero heat.
Compare this to Love In the Air. Why is the kissing in that 100 times better? The answer is in what the rest of the actor's bodies are doing. Jimmy's & Sea's arms are casually drapped over the side of the tub, and they're sitting side-by-side with no outward sign either of them have any desire to be doing this scene. In Love ITA, their bodies are crushed together, their hands are running through each other's hair, hands on faces & throats, etc., the heat in their eyes - you believed they wanted each other. But not in VV. Seriously, who would not at least feel up Jimmy's abs? Even a straight guy or a lesbian would want to know what they feel like.
Anyway, that was100% directing - where the actors had any control, they threw themselves into it.
Why were they playing "Mary Had A Little Lamb" when Cake was talking to his mother?
The improv scenes of this show are all so good - I just wish the plot was a tad more compressed. Like by about 4 episodes. I actually thought I'd clicked on the wrong episode because I was sure I'd already watched this one.
"Wake up."
"No. Are you mad at me?"
"No."
Wash, rinse, repeat.
If you don't see someone for 15 years, they're essentially a stranger. More than a stranger, because your memory of them is limited to the perceptions of a child. Meeting them as an adult and seeing them from an adult perspective is totally different.
In the case of JH, if he finds out JW is the adult version of the little boy he knows, THAT he'll find weird (beside the supernatural aspect) because he knows and is attached to JW as a child.
If it's a drama where they start out with a big age difference, they can pull the 180 Degree Longitude trick and cast an actor who's only 34 to play a man in his mid 40s.
It's funny - I was in my late 30s and ended up on a few dates with a 21-year old, and it wasn't working for me because he'd just finished university and I had an established career - the difference in where we were in life was too great for a relationship. I told him he was too young for me, and he replied "I don't think you're too old for me at all."
That irritated me. "I didn't say I was TOO OLD for YOU, I said you're TOO YOUNG for ME."
"Not too old" is like saying "Old, yes. But not undead-level too old". Kind of like when someone says "You look really good... FOR YOUR AGE."
In short, age difference doesn't work very well until you're both older. 25 is a bit too young for most people to know who they are and what they want (especially for men), and be far enough along in life to be a partner - an older man is essenially a daddy. So 25 & 40 is quite a bit more difficult than 30 & 45.
Rain really isn't my type, but Noeul is really good - he has a certain charm and it's nice to see a character who acts his age.
And Sky... we need more Sky. A lot more. Whenever he's onscreen it just... it's like a really humid day, and then it rains and the world is fresh and beautiful.