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No - he didn't behave like that. This was all inserted to generate drama. I'm sure the writer is as disappointed as anyone else.

Everyone: I'm still clicking on this series to register a watch or two - I want to support a show that's trying something different, even if I have no desire to watch it - I would encourage everyone to do the same if you're dropping it. Whatever you want to say about it, at least it's not full of people in blue shorts or about Engineers!

Hmm. I'm not seeing the Check Out scene the same way - I'm not sure how it could be any more consensual than that - if nobody initiates sex, it will never happen, and they both drank an identical amount, and were dancing prior to sitting down and making out, and then were talking normally, so I don't see any impairment. Nine even asked Daonuea if he was OK twice.

Watching the J&J scene, it looks wholly consensual too - however, in this case, Jill was perfectly clear that he was not interested in a one-night stand, so Jack seduced him on false pretenses, not to mention what turned out to be the case later. I don't think that qualifies as assault, but it does make him a colossal asshole. That why I don't have any interest in a sequel and gave this a low rating - this situation is irredeemable due to the "twist", and all of it was so sudden and totally without setup that it made no narrative sense an was just a cheap trick.

For me, motives count. Nine is obviously really into Daonuea. Jack is obviously really into Jill, too, but due to the circumstances, he's still a scumbag, unless the guy at the door has a different definition of the word he used than I do.

Thanks - I couldn't find it before but I'll go check it out. I agree with you about the risks of alchohol, but I think these are not teens, and remember that half of sexual assaults don't involve alchohol - so every case has to be looked at individually. In adult life, I'd bet most sexual assaults don't involve alcohol However, I agree that there's a concern if Jill said "no" unless there's a specifically mitigating context. If someone says "no", the other person should obtain clarification, especially if he's twice the size like that.

Some studies show that the perpetrator is more often than the victim the one who's been drinking heavily, which is interesting. In BL, it's always the uke who is drunk, which I think is homophobic. A man can't be seen to be seeking to be penetrated, so he has to be forced or to do it under the influence. That's why BLs often depict rape or assault as less objectionable than being a hungry bottom. Women in Asian dramas are often treated the same way.

It depends on who Ninghei is - if it's Zee, it seems like he might feel as if he's being oppressed by being forced to marry a... really cute guy? Such a hardship. Although I'd rather marry Max.

The ending was a real disappointment. Jack's change in behavior was to abrupt and the reasons for it not set up in the story at all, and the final 10 seconds were illogical. Why would Jack have told the person on the phone to come get him and then lie about who it was, if Jill was going to have to answer the door? He would have just left and been picked up elsewhere, but then we wouldn't have had the cliffhanger that the writer wanted.

Also, cliffhangers suck, unless you've already made the sequel or can guarantee it will be made. Unfortunately, I have no interest in the resolution - this is not a couple that should be together. Jack is a dick, and Jill is too immature, insecure, and pathetic & clingy.

The production quality was high throughout the series, though.

What is Ep 0? Is that a typo? There was nothing even the slight bit dubcon in this series, unless I missed someting, Having a drink does NOT mean you can't consent. Being non-responsively blasted does. They were having sex while ascending a staircase. If you can find me a black-out drunk who can do that, let me know.

I wouldn't say it was a personality transplant so much as reality intruding to burst a bubble. It made sense, but it was so totally unprepared that it might has well have been a personality transplant. I'm disappointed - this series has some good qualities but was really let down by the ending, And the misunderstanding of what the word "vegan" means.

Aek called V-Phob, and went to V-phob's place because he's hot, and wouldn't you? But seriously, he was probably too embarrassed to face his roommate and didn't want to go there.

I was getting, um heated in that scene with the three of them. I would do just about anything to see that happen. But it won't. Once on pair have kissed, the Victorian Era returns and nothing else can ever happen.

Right, but that still means he needs to get a visa, get all his shots, get a plane ticket, pack, get his life in order, etc. in 1 week (!)

Actually, in a Common Law court, they would be judged equally. I can't speak to Thai law, but I can speak to Mame law, which is that anything goes. If you apologize for having someone gang-raped and trying to strangle someone to death, no problem, so long as you cry a lot. And is desperation an excuse to agree to torture?

As for Leo & Fiat, then why are Tharn & Type toxic but Leo & Fiat aren't? I agree that being different doesn't mean it's toxic, but at no point did we ever see a discussion in which Leo asked to be FIat's master and Fiat consented. Leo is older and stronger, and Fiat is totally dependent on him - that puts him in a position of immense power in the relationship, and we've received no indication that Fiat can or has consented to the dynamic, which is the most extreme we've seen in a BL. Leo doesn't even let Fiat walk anywhere - he has to give him an infantilizing piggy-back ride.

And DO Leo & Fiat have great communication? All the crises in this series have been due to their total failure to communicate. Is it OK for Leo to discuss with his father behind his back how they will parent a grown man?

So evil girls says she has info on King's plan to harm Fiat and she'll tell him if he kisses her. What does he do? Go an discuss it with Fiat and determine a course of action? Or does he trust her and kiss her? Fiat sees it (of course) - does he discuss it with Leo? They never discuss anything!

He also wasn't wearing a muscle shirt in that scene. I could spend an hour a day on those arms. But yes, it was the hair, too.

This is not going to win any awards, for sure - but it doesn't have anything wrong with it, either. The writing & dialog are cute and clever, Ryu's arms are like a fourth character - actually, Ryu and Mix are both really sexy - and it's just enjoyable to watch. I'm guessing from the names that Mix & Match will have to get together, and BL is too Victorian for a thrupple.

There's nothing that irritates me more than trip/catch/stare, but doing it as a threesome was really clever and really funny. And the bed scene...

I feel like Ryu's muscle shirt counts as a "shower equivalent".

There seems to be some different idea about the topic in Asia, or at least in BL. I really liked He's Coming To Me, but the ending... "I'm sorry about committing first degree murder. " "It's ok, since you apologized."

Concentration camp guards didn't come up with the Final Solution, either. Leo agreed to and participated, and is 100% complicit. Can you imagine Leon agreeing to that for Pob? Or anyone else at all? That was some f@#$ed up shit there.

I'm totally fine if people aren't bothered by it, but let's not pretend Leo & Fiat have some wholesome and toxin-free relationship - it's one of the most twisted in the entirety of BL. Whatever Tharn & Type's issues, they're still equals in their relationship. Leo is Fiat's owner.

Well, they made money off it... sorry, dark humor.

The eagle is 100% Nazi and everyone involved knows it. Roman eagles are just eagles. The Nazi eagle is very specific and easy to distinguish with it's Art Deco design, and the location of the "o" is not in the slightest coincidental. The dimensions are even accurate.

Again, I don't expect a non-Western 20-year old actor to be familiar with it, but COME ON. Let's see that company produce shirts with the Japanese sunburst war flag on it and see how many people are beaten to death by angry crowds.

Actually, now that I think about it, drag kings are doing that. I'm still not sure about the appropriating, but I think I agree about drag reinforcing patriarcal norms. I'm not sure that the participants in it, at least the drag queens, are viewing it as anything but parody of societal norms - but that doesn't always matter. Alec Baldwin just fired a fake gun at someone, but it still killed her. Thanks for this discussion - it was helpful to me to understand perspectives I was missing.

Actually, now that I think about it, drag kings are doing that. I'm still not sure about the appropriating, but I think I agree about drag reinforcing patriarcal norms. I'm not sure that the participants in it, at least the drag queens, are viewing it as anything but parody of societal norms - but that doesn't always matter. Alec Baldwin just fired a fake gun at someone, but it still killed her. Thanks for this discussion - it was helpful to me to understand perspectives I was missing.

That is definitely a fair point, so forget what I said. sInstead, sticking strictly to DSN, how would you characterize these two comments from Leo? "I want to lock you up, preventing you from seeing anyone" and "There's a demon in my heart that could harm you at any time."