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I think he loved Teh but didn't think it was possible so he chose Bass. Once Teh became possible, he made a terrible mistake and chose his true love over his Plan B. Sometimes Plan B is a better plan.

Jai isn't faculty - he's a student director, so he didn't do anything criminal - but he is a malignant narcissist at best.

Teh has always been selfish and self-absorbed, and I can see this happening years into their relationship, but this series must start days after Last Night in Phuket, so Teh's love faded really, really quickly. I think this is a great series, but I don't really see why it needed to be a continuation of ITSAY if there wasn't going to be reasonable continuity.

I still think it's too early in the relationship. I agree that it's not always true that once a cheater always a cheater, but his fascination for Jai started weeks after he and Oh got together.

That stopped short of cheating, but to me it's too early in their relationship for either of them to have strong feelings for someone else. After ten years together, there can be a confidence in the solidity of the relationship, but in this case it was apparently always shaky since this starts immediately after ITSAY.

You might argue that it was emotional cheating, but honestly, everyone does in a long-term relationship - you can't control how you feel, and love changes over time and becomes deeper and stronger, as opposed to the passion of initial infatuation. That Teh somehow lost his in the gap between ITSAY and the first ep, which should be only a few weeks to me means Oh needs to find someone else, because what he said in their last discussion is 100% spot on.

You're right, but then why make this a continuation of ITSAY? The change in direction is a bit extreme. This begins at most weeks after the last series - how did their relationship end up on life-support so quickly? You could see it in the first ep, and we never really saw the fault lines, although Teh has always been selfish and self-absorbed. The mood is so bleak that I can't help but think the director is using this as a way of processing getting dumped himself.

There's going to be a problem with the audience no matter what happens next week. If they get back together it will be inauthentic (unless there's a large time-leap) and make half of us groan, and if they don't get back together, the other half will pull out their torches and pitchforks.

That white shirt was a particularly bad mistake. The heart one wasn't much better.

I think maybe the problem is that this has been marketed as a BL, and it's not a BL. This is an adult gay-themed drama, whereas ITSAY was somewhere in the middle - it had a touch of the fantastical (or at least whimsy) that's usually present in BL, this doesn't. It's bleak and jaded, and I'm not getting enough character consistency. They probably should have set this years later because it's hard to imagine their relationship deflating so badly so soon after they got together.

That's true, but there shouldn't be problems like this that early in their relationship. Oh is right - Teh needs something Oh can't give him, or that wouldn't have been possible. Oh can forgive him without getting back together with him - how can he ever trust Teh's feelings for him or that Teh will stay with him? For me, the worst thing Teh did was at the party - Oh figured so small in his mind that he didn't even bother to hide what he was feeling in front of him.

That's a problem in the relationship and is not related to forgivenes.

That doesn't change how Oh feels. The only caveat is we don't know WHEN Teh pulled up. Was it in the next couple of days or a few weeks or months later? If it was a couple of days, he's not going to get anywhere.

A lot of people below are commenting that the situation is irredeemable and unfixable, and I have to disagree - in a long-term relationships you will make mistakes and you will develop feelings for other people. We're all flawed, and we all do stupid and hurtful things. We all learn from our failures more than our successes. Without forgiveness, we would all die alone.

However, not this early in a relationship. Problems like this shouldn't happen before you even hit 3 years. There is something fundamentally wrong - even the fact that Teh didn't even try to hide his feelings in front of Oh is a problem - it didn't even occur to him, and that he didn't or couldn't is telling. Even if he'd been completely honest and open it could have gone better. Everything Oh said was 100% right.

If they had been together for 10 years, it could be repaired. Even if they'd remained friends uninterrupted since childhood it could be repaired.

Next week we'll see if this is a BL or a gay drama. If it's a BL, the resolution will go one way. If it's a gay drama, it will go another.

The kiss in the car was meant to contrast with the other one. I actually thought it was a little too "on the nose" - the contrast didn't need to be THAT stark. It needed to be less, but not so much less that he wasn't even trying at all.

Maybe we're too conditioned by BL and ANY kiss seems like a big deal since it almost never happens.

I meant it feels like their relationship had largely died even before the series started due to their lives going in different directions and perhaps they are not all that compatible - the distance was obvious from the first ep. I do like characters to be flawed and make mistakes - but this doesn't feel like college - it feels like jaded 30-year olds. Remember what a delightful weirdo Teh was in ITSAY? Here's he's kind of a boring self-absorbed jerk.

It's well-acted, well-written, well-everythinged, but is it enjoyable to watch? For many people who were expecting a sequel to ITSAY, maybe not.

I'm finding it hard to get through this ep a it's so stressful to watch. I'm 10 minutes in and taking a break - Teh is outside the studio psyching him self to go inside, empty but for Jai.

EDIT: 13.5 minutes in and need another break.

Everything about this is excellent - but watching it feels like a duty rather than a pleasure - it's just so bleak. ITSAY had it's darkness too, but there was always a sense of wonder about it and Teh's tendency to cry insanely about everything was weird, cute, and funny. They were young and stupid (or at least Teh was - I think Oh has always been more mature than Teh).

Here it's like they've died as a couple and we're watching the corpse decay.

short eps can work if they're structured like short eps. These are not, so they feel like half of a longer ep, and that makes them feel way to short and unsatisfying, especially if nothing major happens like this week.

The straight couple are totally unnecessary to the story and just take up time.

Anyway, I do like the series, but I wish I'd not started it until it had fully aired.

Also, the captive scene. They managed to flashback to it at least once an episode, but I don't mind. I'm looking forward to seeing him in What Zabb Man!

I know, but actual experience should matter too - in both the East and West, nobody is ever going to run into an acfual ghost, and that should color how rational people think about the subject - and 99.9% of BL characters are urban university students who group up in a thoroughly modern world.

Also, while it's true that mainline Christian dogma posits an immediate destination for the soul, that's not necessariy what people believe - a very popular and long-running show here was Ghost Hunters, where actual people are actually purporting to track real ghosts.

Plus, the Philippines is a Catholic country and in Korea Christianity is tied with Budhhism in adherents - and while there is some syncretism, there is in the West too - half of our believe were absorbed from Paganism, e.g. Christmas is an appropriation of Winter Solstice celebrations, and angels, saints, and demons are largely Christianized pagan deities & spirits.

I only ask the question because fear of ghosts - and ghosts - are so ubiquitous in BL that it often feels formulaic (although it didn't feel that way in this ep). And it's generally played for comedy.

Cinematographer: "Would you like incredibly long unnecessary and awkward staring at each other with no dialog, stupendously long unncessary and awkward staring, or cosmically long unncessary awkward staring?

Director: "Let's do all three."

Even on 2x the scenes take forever. Does the production company get paid by the minute or sometghing? To be fair, the staring was broken up by a 5-minute scene of a girl sleeping as reflected in her mirror.

And that ending happened. I guess I should be grateful nobody was run over by the white truck of death.

Same reaction here. I was OK until the "I'm not gay, I only like you" thing. It's the only trope more tired than engineers. If the bodyguard guy leaves his shirt off a lot I'll probably watch it because I'm shallow.

The blowjob in itself didn't bother me, other than they were doing it wrong (with both guys standing? Was his penis 3 feet long?) - it's just that it was the only thing that happened other than people having strange and unnatural conversations. Or rather rotely reciting lines with no emoting whatsoever. That it followed a barely comprehensible conversation about not being ready - so he's ready to give his bf a bj but not ready to receive one? OK, so there had to be one guy on the planet with that attidude and I'm glad they were able to find him...

The title is "Lust Never Lasts", so there needs to be sex, but there also needs to be, well, lust, otherwise what's the point? Did anyone get the slightest hint that they were interested in doing that? Contast that with Y Destiny 11, where I was on the verge of spontaneously combusting whenever they were even in the same room.

I was absolutely thinking that, but hesitated to actually say it, but we can count on you. :)