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Yes, but it's part physical attraction. Even when you love someone for their inner beauty, you still want to be near them and touch them. We need touch as a species - it releases dopamine and is important to your well-being. It's not necessarily about sex - affection has to be there, especially at the beginning of a relationship. The initial passion cools (fortunately, or we'd all die of exhaustion) and then sitting around listening to music and talking 2gether makes sense. And it's not even just touching - there's body language. Earth was playing a way more stolid and repressed character in 1,000 Stars, but you knew every single minute they were on screen together that Chief was in love with Tian. I never felt that for a minute with Sarawat and Tine. Also, wanting to grab boobs isn't exactly the strongest indicator of same-sex interest for men - it's what straight guys want to do to women, so it was yet another element of heteronormativity stuffed into a show that was already overflowing with it.

What BLs do terribly is flirting. The flirting is about as subtle as the pizza delivery guy in a porn movie. I find myself repulsed by a lot of it - like "eww". I suspect most BL writers have never flirted or been flirted with. And maybe watch too much porn.

OK, I have to admit the ending surprised me. I should have seen it coming, but I didn't.

I'm finding myself skipping over a lot. I don't watch the high school kids, especially since they don't subtitle the texting, but they're irrelevant to the story. Ditto Newyear and Both, and double-ditto the copy boys. The kid is profoundly annoying. I'm guessing that most BL writers have never flirted or been flirted to, because it's always as subtle as a locomotive. Nobody would enjoy that- "eww" is the only reaction. Y-Destiny does that a lot too.

Why are the choices always 12-year old Victorian maidens with consumption or coming on stronger than a porn character?

Speaking of subtle, can we get rid of the sexual harassment? That character should be fired immediately as a serious legal liability to the company. Do they think characters like that are funny or something instead of incredibly insulting, homophobic, and misogynist?

Anyway, I do really like Simai and Lukmo, and I like Mai & Phob, but that needs to move along now - it's getting tiresome.

Watch it with subs. It's really important - there's something you can't possibly get from without them. You only need to watch the full bedroom scene, although the apology in the office was cute.

Nothing else really happened except for some egregious sexual harassment and sulking. And they didn't subtitle any of the text messaging, so that whole storyline was pointless.

OK, I have to admit there were two totally adorable moments in this - Jin turning his head so Bbomb wouldn't see his giddy smile, and when he was scooting closer in bed.

I love Boss as a villain.

There was way too much of the fundashi this ep, and it spoiled it for me. I was right there with the fuoshi when she suggested he take his seat on the tires.

I don't see how they're going to get the secondary couples resolved in 5 eps since none of them have even started. Why did they bother to put Kaownah and Turbo in this? They serve no purpose whatsoever. I'm not even sure who are the couples other than Keam/Ball.

I love Boss so much. And you're right, he's a great villain. The Korean schoolboy haircut he had in Oxygen made him adorable, but he's actually really handsome, and the range of emotion so subtly displayed on that one close up of his face was really impressive.

I live to serve. :)

But all novels have the inner thoughts of characters - that's why I think novels are bad choices to adapt to live action. An actor has to be able to convey thoughts visually. You saw 1,000 Stars, right? Earth was subtle, but you always knew what he was thinking because the acting was awesome. Phuwin can do it too - they just need to trust him! When you have someone speak their thought instead of act them, it weakens the impact.

If I say "I'm lonely", you might think "aw, poor guy". If I'm staring out the window at people having a great time together (with a sad song in the background) and sigh sadly, you'll feel the loneliness. But not with the song All By Myself playing - that's so OTT that it becomes funny/sad.

I'm in the older man segment. :)

He certainly can be both those things, but he can't cease to be one for the whole series and then suddenly pick it up. If he doesn't feel worthy of Mork, then why is he with him at all? That insecurity is certainly a believable reason for him to not want to be Mork, but now that he is, why would he not want people to know? He already knows he and Mork are an extremely popular couple - so it really doesn't make sense. And I've been told this wasn't in the source material but was added by the writers for the series - and it shows.

The reason he didn't want Mork has consistently and solely been presented as that he wants Mueang Nan, and even after MN explained it to him, he still saw Mork as a rival. We are constantly hearing his thoughts (because the screenplay is terrible), and he's never had the thought "I'm not worthy of Mork". This ep is the first time we've heard this or even had it suggested in any way. This is manufactured drama for Ep 11, per the formula.

Now that I would appreciate.

I get that - my point is that his insecurity was in the first two eps until he had his makeover, then was totally absent until ep 11. It needed to be there throughout. That's poor writing and makes this very like a sudden gear shift right at the end of the story - typical GMMTV artificial drama inserted just because.

I loved the first half of 2gether, and by the end it it felt like the entire production crew had died in a plane crash and was replaced by a much worse one. Also, the only copy of the script was on the plane, so they just threw together every BL trope they could find and mashed it all 2gether.

Suddenly though? This wasn't an issue last episode. Insecurity was a theme in the first two issues, totally dropped after Pi got his makeover, and is now being picked up again just before the very end. It doesn't sit right. Not only that, but Pi is now completely unhinged when one or two people ship Mork with what's-her-name, when before the entire school was gaga over shipping Pi with Mork, which Pi himself shut down because it violated his privacy. The writing is inconsistent with too many holes.

Giving it more thought, I think the issue is that the whole school was ranting and raving about what a perfect couple Mork and Pi are, and Pi himself shot it down as a violation of his privacy - only then did a couple of people move on and ship Mork with what's-her-name. This would have worked if social media had always resisted Pi as not good enough for Mork - but here it's too out of the blue and way too close to the end to introduce this. Yes, insecurity is a theme, but it hasn't been since Pi got his makeover - and now it's suddenly being picked up again.

So basically what you said.

The problem is that a major plot point has been that the whole school has ranted and raved about what a perfect couple Pi and Mork are, and Pi shot it down as a violation of his privacy - only then did some people move on to a new ship. If social media had consistently resisted Pi as not good enough for Mork, then it would make sense. Here, it's out of the blue and not consistent with what's come before.

BL is a very distinct genre, usually with a fantasy element, and formulaic qualities that are not true to life. Two men in a relationship don't conform to this seme/uke dynamic that is universal in BL, not everyone is filthy rich, there are no schools were every single member of the student body and faculty are gay, etc. People don't fall in love because one of them tripped and was caught be the other and they stared at each other for an implausible amount of time, etc. And no matter what, there's a happy ending. Even He's Coming to Me where one of the pair was dead had a happy ending.

The seme's only job is to stand around looking handsome, giving the uke rides to school, and catching him whenever he trips or faints - here Teh is a fully realized character with human flaws rather than being a knight in shining armor.

If it's not a BL, then it's a drama with gay themes, and there can be a lot more realism and unhappy or bittersweet endings. Also, BLs are aimed at teen girls (even though older women and men watch them too), and a gay drama is more likely to be aimed at a broader audience and have a much greater LGBTQ+ sensitibility, whereas a BL is usually more of a 19th c romance with a passive boy dropped into the female role.

No, I mean you will have feelings for other people. That doesn't mean you can act on them, but you can't control how you feel.

I guess they think 18 is too young for individuality? Possibly it's to paste over class differences - but that never works. There are cheap white shirts and expensive white shirts, and everyone knows the difference.

He has a strong infatuation combined with low impulse control. I don't think he's psycho, just immature.

He wasn't raped. It was part of his masterplan. Seriously, not being a smart-ass.