jpny01

That's a great point. I don't mind enemies to lovers, which is usually based on some misunderstanding rather than horrendous character flaws, but in a case like this where they two mains both need serious therapy before they're ready for relationships, you're left with a WTF? feeling, especially when it's only a two-hour story and there's no emotional logic or context behind a sudden and 180-degree change of heart. "Hey, 5 minutes ago I was totally in love with a sweet husband-material guy, but then I suddenly realized after your vicious and loathesome behavior at dinner that you're The One."

I've been dreading the possibility of Teh ending up doing something with Khim, so better Jai than that!

I agree - I could understand his overreaction to Oh because he's in love with him and dependent on him - but he was horrible to Khim. I can see having a bad immediate reaction, but it shouldn't take more than looking at her face to see how wrong you are and apoligize immediately.

Tthe level of misogyny in BL is really strange, givens it's a genre aimed at a female audience based on stories almost entirely written by women.

I'm not sure I can remember having sex when NOT drunk. I thought that's what alcohol is for. I'm shy, so I need it or I'll just sit quietly in a corner.

I do like the guy who likes Phob's orange sweater, although in the winter the temperature drops from 34 degrees to 33 degrees and I get hot just looking at all the sweaters. Not to mention the humidity.

The orange sweater is one of the things I actually like.

I remember Lukmo because it was a plot point. Other than that it's Phob, the guy with the orange sweater, the other guy, the other guy's mom, the copy guy, the copy guy customer, the pointless gay couple, the high school kid with the comically dramatic entrance. the HR director, and the sexual harasser.

The fake girfriend thing is excruciating - I have to skip it. Who thought that was a good idea? That plus another checklist of tired tropes. Fall/catch/stare? Check. Wipe food off corner of mouth? Check. This story has hardly moved for 9 episodes. I'm actually tempted to drop the series. What a disappointment.

True. But the theme was change and Teh's inability to deal with it. The moon is also unreachable and belongs to no one, so you can't promise it to anyone. I'm being a little dark and negative today. I probably need some sleep.

That's a good point - I guess it's progress that nobody got run over by a truck. It's hard to watch anything gay-related from Korea from just a few years ago - if the main character wasn't beaten to death it was a minor miracle.

I haven't had a chance to properly stalk him yet, so I haven't seen it. I will probably watch it though, and I'll let you know.

Wow, you really don't mince words. I love it.

I think the Mon story was worse than this, and all of the stories are made worse by his being in them so much, but this was near the bottom for me.

That actually bothered me a lot - it yanked me out of the story and cheapened the production. It's not a deal-breaker, but I hope they don't keep doing it.

Teh was in the wrong for sure, but Oh was excluding him from major decisions and drastic change under those circumstances is bound to make your partner feel like they're losing you. His reaction was realistic and authentic to me, although he took way too long to process his feelings about it.

The moon isn't a romantic symbol in this series - it's an ominous one. The moon is always changing - rising, setting, waxing, waning... even it's color isn't consistent. I have a feeling we're in for a rough ride.

I was a little taken out of it by the numerous unnecessary flashbacks, but I agree. Although I instantly knew how Teh felt from the tattoo scene - I may be somewhat like him - when someone changes, especially if they didn't involve you in the change, you can feel like you're losing them.

Do people hate this on twitter? I don't think it's as good as ITSAY, but I don't hate it (I'm older, BTW). It doesn't have the same magic for me, and Teh isn't as much of a weirdo anymore, which I loved. But it's still the second best BL ever...

Do older people call anything toxic? I think us older people are really, really tired of hearing younger people call anything involving any imperfect human being making a mistake "toxic".

Anyone who isn't making mistakes is probably not doing anything at all - or maybe people are mad at themselves for their mistakes and deflect their anger onto other impefect people. But BL audiences don't seem to be the forgiving types.

Of course the boys were childish in ITSAY. They were children - how else would they be?

I related to ITSAY for my teenage experiences, and I related to IPYTM for my college experiences - and I was a music major so it's particularly poignant.

But I don't think you need to relate to specific circumstance in a series to love it - you have to be able to relate to the human condition. Teh was the most wrong in this ep, but Oh was also not including his partner in his life and decisions, which can make someone feel like they're losing you. We've all had that feeling at some time or other, even if not exactly like these circumstances.

Anyway, I love both series for different reasons. I think maybe there are some segments of the BL audience that are used to and prefer the ritualistic fantasies that characterize mainstream BL, where cute boys are cute to each other and are perfect in the way they treat each other (except at first when they are obligatory enemies - but once they're together. any misteps are unforgivable).

My reaction to this series' first episode was fairly negative - it felt like BL by the numbers. But it's won me over, largely because Hank is so cute I feel like I'm dying whenever he's onscreen. He's also a good actor.

I saw him first and he's mine, so hands off! :) He is so cute that it hurts. Also, he looks good in a towel. On top of that he's a good actor.