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I don't follow all this so forgive me if I come off as ignorant. So what you're saying is that Earth & Mix are just being themselves offscreen, whereas Mew & Gulf are selling fake sexual tension as part of their ship - is that correct? I've seen behind the scenes of M&G being super affectionate to get used to each other in workshops etc., but I haven't really watched any footage of fan events. Plus I thought TT2 was unwatchable so I lost interest.

LOL!!! I went back specifically to watch him in LS2 just this morning. I think he has "it". And a hot body, but that's beside the point.

I thought that in just a few minutes of screen time he really managed to make me feel his suffering, and Earth can make me feel everything just by standing still with a blank face, he's such a master of subtlety. Whatever happenes or who is with whom, you cant' go wrong with these two.

That is an interesting thought that had not occurred to me - I like that.

I knew what you meant. :)

Although tiered works too because this show is so layered in its meaning.

I think it's valuable to point out what you think is wrong and I will always read it because I value other people's opinions, and sometimes they change how I think about something. But it feels gratuituous to just say "I skip the brothers" when that was where the most happened this ep, and everyone seems to judge Yong Jie while excusing the rather horrendous sexually harrassment by Li Cheng in this episode - like seriously creepy harassment.

Yes, that's why it was so great. It was a ridiculously intrusive product placement but still cleverly ntegrated into the story.

There are many cases in real life where a woman feels as if she has been violated and the man does not have the same impression. Who's opinion do we listen to? There is only one answer - the woman's. If she feels something non-consensual has happened, then she has to be listened to, period, even if in extremely rare cases it's found nothing bad happened. Like extremely, extremely rare cases.

So who's decision is it about what happened to Xing Si? The answer is Xing Si. If he feels raped, then he was raped. If he doesn't think he was raped, then he wasn't. It not for me to decide.

Do you approve of Li Cheng's sexual harassment of Mu Ren, including dragging his hand over his genitals and confessing to watching him masturbate all night while on rape drugs?

It's to the point that it's hard to believe there isn't something weird going on here. I thought you were kidding, but I checked and these are freshly created accounts. Someone is organizing something. Most of the people who make some judgmental statement then say they like the other story but never mention anything about it, like what they like - only some vague statement.

Whatever memo is being distributed left seemed unaware of Li Cheng's sexual harassment so it seemed really strange this ep and I started to notice something was off.

But it's OK for Li Cheng to sexaully harass Mu Ren.

Does nobody see the hypocrisy in loving what's going on with Li Cheng and Mu Ren but loathing everything having to do with Yong Jie and Xing Si?

I don't have a problem with either, but there is no way anyone can argue that Li Cheng wasn't severely non-consensually sexually harassing Mu Ren this ep, even grabbing his hand and dragging to his genitals, not to mention confessing to watching him masturbate all night while on rape drugs.

Just because you like a ship doesn't mean that the behavior of its members is somehow excused. That's weird and tribal. In any given situation, right and wrong are independent of whether or not you like or support the people involved.

Last episode nobody did anything transgressive. In this episode, Li Cheng rather severely sexually harassed Mu Ren, but I guess that doesn't count. Not to mention revealed he watched Mu Ren masturbate all night when he was on rape drugs, but never mind that, it's the ship we approve of, so anything goes.

Me too. But don't you like Mu Ren and Li Cheng, or was it too creepy with all the sexual harassment?

Yes, and while everything Yong Jie is creepy and rape, it's OK for Li Cheng to drag Mu Ren's hand over his genitals, not to mention WATCH him masturbate all night. No problem there. Totally consensual.

All sex is rape unless you have a notarized statement of consent, and that is invalidated if you have a strong cup of coffee in betwen signature and the sex. That goes without saying.

Amen! I never watch a show illegally unless they make it impossible for me to watch legally.

I love how everyone feels so proud of themselves to proclaim they skipped the actual show for the comic relief. Which was almost entirely non-consensual sexual harassment of a rather extreme sort.

And yet he was correct.

Yes, everything that Yong Jie does is horrifying and awful because people don't like that ship. It' perfectly OK for Li Cheng to watch Mur Ren masturbate all night and sexually harass him , which, incidentally, is illegal, at work and outside, nonstop, because that's the ship they like.

And let's not minimize grabbing his hand and dragging it over his genitals.

Li Cheng way outcreeped Yong Jie both this episode and last, but totally OK.