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I get some of what you're saying, but the subtitles were faulty at one point - Yiwa said she'd been with Lom for 13 years, not Marine, who she met 2 years ago (in that flashback). That does make a difference.

I doubt Marine cares if Yiwa has a child with Lom, since he's gay and not a threat to her. Yiwa didn't say "Lom is gay", but she was still explicit when she said he doesn't look at women.

I'm mixed about this. I liked Ep 0, despite the cliched "thinking the guy is someone else and kissing him" cliche, and I like the way it's filmed. It's always interesting, even when it doesn't work, like the handheld shaky camera following the guy in the striped jacket who was running. I have absolutely no clue who he is, so making his doing something fairly unremarkable into something so dramatic was not engaging - it just drew attention to itself. But they're trying things. The quality of the production is very high.

But the story is just too convoluted with too many characters thrown in and it's just confusing. Like the guy who moved in tells his female friend that he moved "today". OK, then when was he drunk and carried back to his apartment by the hot guy? Who is the straight couple, and how much of what we're seeing is what she's telling him? I just couldn't get into Ep 1, other than visually, which I enjoyed.

It's under negotiation. Also, there will eventually be a cut version on YT, but it will have to be fairly short, because there's a lot that you can't do on YT. It will take a lot of editing so it may be a while.

Exactly my feeling as well.

Umm... Neo & Mark Pakin... that will make me spontanously combust. Not to mention Force doing anything at all. He could just stand there and I would spontanously combust.

I hope this is better than the first season. Although it doesn't really matter. If Han Hyun Jun is in it, I'm there.

That is the opposite of what the message of the film is. The message is that homosexuality is not a sin, but it's difficult for people who grow up in a religious environment to break free of the guilt and fear of their own desires. It isn't that he's trying to resist sin - he's struggling and ultimately unable to resist the truth that who he is is not sinful at all.

The blatant homoerotic senuality of religious iconography (Adam in the Sistine Chapel) underscores the hypocrisy and contradictions of the faith and faithful. The other guy has shed the baggage. Also, black and white don't symbolize the same things in Korean culture that they do in Western - they are yin and yang - complementary forces that exist in everything in the universe. Even if they do carry a modern Christian connotation (historically, white was the color of death and mourning - that changed fairly recently), the choice of shirts was Yoo Han's and reflects his own perceptions, not an "objective" truth.

You should check out The Filipino BL "Cheat". I won't give away the plot, but the series does feature a hate-sex fight between a nun and a witch.

I would have loved to have met someone like him in my Christian delusion phase - that would have cured me right away. My first full-on gay experience was truly awful (my first one-way day experience didn't quite do it - ironically with a priest), but there was still no going back for me. The second he took his shirt off I'd have been on my... never mind, family-friendly forum.

As for Yoo Han, was he really selfish and predatory? if he is, isn't everyone selfish and predatory? Mutual attraction isn't that common - if people don't act on it the human race will die out.

I agree with this except that I don't think it's a slight critique of church indoctination - it's a withering critique.

I didn't know what to expect, but it wasn't this. The acting & dialog is very naturalistic - it's a bunch of 20-ish guys on a road trip that interact like guys that age. They're actually a bit irritating, but not in a tiring way. Because it's so "slice of life", when the twist comes, it hits like a sledgehammer. I actually cried a little. It's not really sad, it's just moving and unnerving at the same time. When you look back, you can see it was there all along, so that was well done.

We evolved in small tribal groups with alpha males (a partially abandoned model) who had sole access to females for reproduction whether they liked it or not. I wonder if rape fantasies are an echo of our distant past bouncing around our lizard brains. Genetic diversity was maintained by females sneaking off to mate with the "lone wolves" who had no tribe and followed around the group in the hopes of getting lucky. Maybe that's the source of the "bad boy" trope. By the same token, many or most men are happiest with a strong leader to serve - maybe the subordinate male is another remnant of the primative setting.

The whole point of being human is we control our animal urges, but they're still there. We make love into a big thing, but it's really just a drive progrmmed into us by 4 billion years of evolution. Or maybe not - but there are many tropes in literature common to virtually all known cultures - something is behind that or there's inexplicable coincidence.

Rape fantasies are common in many cultures, including those in which rape is vanishingly rare. I'm not even slightly an alpha male, and I like the idea of being (sexually) dominated by another man - I don't think I'm afraid of that. Sexual domination fantasies are very common - pretty much everywhere. There must be some genetic element to that.

Science seems to indicate sexuality is much less fluid than recent trends suggest, and I think this will eventually revert back to where it's been for most of human history. Labels are useful albeit tricky, and many of us fought for the rights everyone takes for granted under those banners.

While your perspective is valid, I don't think that's the perspective of the writers. BL writers consistently devalue feminity and don't seem to think a real man takes it up the a$$ - that's why ukes are often coerced or forced, or only give it up to reward the seme for his protection and guidance.

That's displayed in this series by Ren being subdued with one touch by a drunk man twice his age and half his size. The boss is a man, Ren isn't - he's an uke, and therefore weak.

He's relentlessly awful to her and so angry. He can say he doesn't hate her all he wants, but his actions say otherwise.

What a bunch of tripe. Nobody wants that - people are always saying it, but there aren't people sitting around waiting for sex. We all want the same thing, which is well-written and acted series.

I understand why, I just think he's too hostile about it. Love also means forgiveness - it's not something to just get over, but he's actively hateful and not acknowledging the effort she's making.

Some cultures view step-siblings as incest - it's hard for me to understand the revulsion, but then it feels to me like the whole current generation has hangups about anything related to sex and sexuality.

It would be weird for step-siblings to get involved if they grew up together, but here they didn't even know they were step-siblings when they met. Other than complicating the family dynamic, it's hard to see an objection.

I think a lot of people demand total moral perfection with no hint of anything transgressive or they simply reject the story.

I'm actually finding this series so dull that I have a hard time keeping awake while watching it. They've sanded down the source material so much that there's nothing interesting or special about it anymore other than the two lead actors.

The actors are keeping me engaged, but this is really dull. There are way too many extraneous storylines, like the fujoshi. and nothing every really happens. It's cute and all, but that's it.

Su Yu is too hostile to his mother - it's a bit OTT and makes him unpleasant. Her failings are obvious, but she's not a bad person and means well.

I've seen all of one comment about the step-brothers thing - is it really bothering you that much that .001% of the audience has a problem with it?

That's what step brothers are. Brothers by marriage. I'm not sure what you're saying, but they are 100% step brothers. Are you maybe confusing the term with half-brothers? If your point is that it doesn't matter, then I agree, but then I wouldn't care if they're blood brothers. It's not like they can have genetically deformed children or anything,