Episode 8 was a nice stroll. I came to somewhat used to what to expect from this show now, lol.
Nuer and Syn was still such a random development I don't even know what to feel about them. Their scenes were cute. I'll give them that. YiDiao might be repetitive but at least it was somewhat fresh air. I wasn't sure about Diao's confusion at first, but I like his more forwardness toward Yi. LianKuea is..... well, at least it's heading somewhere. Their pre-bed scene still feel like a fanfic of their own couple, lol. The bed scene was too long for my liking. I can't remember the rest about them, lol. It's not bad at this point, but it's gonna be hard for me to feel invested. I am Gemini in this episode tho, lol.
I'm not sure at this point why they want to instill the viewers more distrust toward Lian's character. It's pretty obvious that Lian's paperwork dealing with Keerati's properties is for Keerati's family's sake to save them from bankruptcy (my theory anyway). So I'm not sure why the show try to frame Lian's action as shady. I guess it's because they need to build a conflict toward the end.
If anyone can explain if there’s a special meaning to “Dao” for Daonuea or “Khab” for Khabkluen? Or…
Yes I think they are just shortened name. Daonuea just seems to have preference in who can call him Dao, but I haven't actually watched the show tho, but someone post about this somewhere.
Okay, I think there are some clarification to be made about the sub.
The 1st episode, Lian told Kuea that "if you asked if I love you or not, that would be no" is not really a great translation despite being the crucial line. In Thai, what he said was more like "if you asked if I love you or not, I think that's not yet it" It boils down to the same thing, but there are nuance in the "yet." I went and checked the sub again, I think they changed it to "right now it would be no" which I'm not sure if that was it the first time around. It suggested that he doesn't exactly not love Kuea than a blatant no. I know it doesn't amount to anything much since even if Lian didn't want to love Kuea's fake persona nor the fact that he's hiding his "naughty" self (that is still pretty tamed tbh), it doesn't excuse him for saying no in the first place. (I feel like it's an excuse for the story than anything, be it plot-driven or character-driven.)
I think it'd be better if we have a Lian's POV episode so we can see more of his side. I understand now that they really wanted to stick to the book because they didn't want to alienate the novel's fans. But having something to round out Lian, imo, is something that is needed a bit in the adaptation. And I think I can cut this show some slack with the editing flow, acting, coherent/consistency and presentation cuz they said Aoftionz has no experience with directing before and for someone who has no experience, this is not a bad result.
What you didn't understand, it's not too complicated, there is not a lot of plot there,
Alright, I post my thoughts once but deleted cuz I find it unnecessary but I will anyway. I don't think it's the same kind of "understanding" using here, lol. Of course I do understand what the plot is and how uncomplicated it is, but the inconsistent and randomness and the "where were we again?" doesn't make consistent sense.
And do believe me that I do not take their words on face value, lol. Especially not with this show where everyone all has their reason to not always say absolute truth.
Let me elaborate more on the randomness I felt. All the kiss scenes between Lian and Kuea in this episode, tho it was hot, felt random and lacked good sense of pacing in conjunction with their relative scenes. YiDiao kiss felt like it made more sense than theirs. Syn and Nuer's development is quite out-of-the-blue random that it felt more like an excuse for fanservice than anything with what felt like a force dialogue that sounds more like a fanfiction of their characters than it should be. The whole scene at Pentagon is just weird and permeated with sense of not making sense that it's hard to really believe or buying into what's being shown as what they really think 'makes sense.' Of course, you can argue that everyone has their own reason and I know and believe that they do, but when shown on screen, it didn't came together to make much sense, if you get what I mean. That kiss was so random, and the action people did in the game require quite suspension of disbelief to buy into that it even made me doubt the friends' reaction of the kiss despite not being that hard to understand. It's less of a character motivation but more of a writer/director choice than anything.
That's all the obvious randomness that I felt was not making it make sense to me. I can forgive Lian's dance scene as the show trying to sell Zee's cute aspect and suspense my disbelief to buy and find good sense of character for that one. The actual date sequence between the main couple is really nice and actually make more sense plot-wise than the scenes I've mentioned above.
I think "not convincing" or "hard to suspend my disbelief to" might be a better word to use and I do admit that miscommunication on my part. I do hope you can see where I'm coming from.
This is my understanding of the characters; Kuea - wanting to end the engagement because Lian says he do not love…
I personally still not sure if Kuea actually "want to end the engagement." It felt more like he still love Lian and want to "end the engagement" just to get his attention and some security from him more than actually wanting it to end. So I read his character as still stuck in that delusion, for lacks of better word..... really tho? is there a better word? I still feel like delusion is too harsh on him, but yeah.
Best part of this series is the music. NuNew has nice voice and he's adorable. The visuals are pretty good, too…
I'd agree that the sense of making consistent sense in this show deteriorate as the show oes on. I think last episode, especially, was where it started to become more obvious. At least this ep7 has a nicer mood.
I really don't understand what's going on anymore with this story for today's episode, but I don't hate some 'development' in this one.... let's just say that. I'll keep it short since I need to reserve some for kinnporsche's premiere, lol
They still don't have same-sex mariages. The situation is definitely not as good as what most thai dramas show.
Is there a source to read for male violence among the youth in Thailand and its relation to gay bullying?
Also, I'd like to add that the dichotomy between acceptance and not could stem from the religious belief that being born queer is a result of the person's sin in their past life of committing adultery and being unfaithful so they are punished in this life to be queer and not find a successful love life (which today's successful queer love have proven them wrong). The older generation who is holding the helm in the government right now might be struggling with this conflict to accept same-sex marriage. It might be a political bargain chip too with all the generation gap conflict going on in the country, so we don't know.
Thailand is still not the best place for lgbtq (tbh, where is), but it is still a place with higher tolerance. You won't see people randomly get attacked on the street just for being gay for sure.
Oh my god I felt that too! It was like a weird shift in their relationship dynamic and it came out of nowhere...…
Tbh, for me, I was wondering why Kuea cry just for that, lol. And then he was swept by the kiss like none of that matter anymore almost like a baby version of a manic episode. I know he might have kept it in all the time because he had to put up a persona for Lian, but I wish it was communicated better. But that's just me having a bias againt Kuea, so it might be pretty subjective.
But yeah, that's exactly what I feel about that conversation scene. Like, where did it come from. And then whiplash to angst the next morning.
I feel like ur over thinking this, its a light hearted show. It's good show. Don't over think it.
I don't know. It's my default mode of thinking, lol. I think about whatever I feel. I get you tho. It's just plain light-hearted show that you don't need to invest anything in. Or maybe it was just the effect of all the dizziness from choppy editing during the swimming pool and the date scene. I don't know.
Huh.... I know my comment here aren't exactly positive, but it really felt choppy and inconsistent toward the end. Some scenes really has dizzy editing with the camera cuts, and the progression from the date on is weird, like there's something inconsistent going on.
And I'll be the minority here for sure, cuz I don't like the after date walk scene that much. I like that they finally talk to each other there and have a nice moment, but it felt...... out of place? I don't know, it might just be me. But like, everything from that point on felt out of place, lol. I don't mind the sexy scene, but it kinda felt out of place here for some reason? It's weird. As amazing and well-acted each section was, it felt like it wasn't that consistent.
On to the positive. Tutor in jumpsuit was hot and Yi was actually kinda cute when he's drunk. Tho, BOTH Diao and Yi seems like they need therapy session. Poppy was amazing and I love Kuea's friend with gray shirt, Tonrak. He got some actual good acting. Poppy was grabbing on to all the beat he can find for comedic moment, lol.
I can't with the Vampire thing, lol. He lean into it.
He actually doesn't care that he's been doing it before he cares that he's been lying about it. Someone else said…
Yeah, but what about now tho? What changed? Why do you think that now Lian can find it in himself to be smitten by Kuea's "do your best" line in the car. Is he simply fine with Kuea's pretended "prim and proper, submissive" persona now, despite saying that he wanted to marry a human not a doll, simply because he felt like he is up-to-date now? Kuea is still lying to him and putting on that prim and proper persona tho. What do you think is the case? Especially if any of that has been clarified in the novel at all.
But I mean, my intention was simply to tease him out and joke about it and have fun discussion along the way, lol. Like, if you at it in some perspective, it's still the same action from Kuea and so, even if I don't think Lian did a sudden 180 in this episode, I can't really fully say I don't understand when people say it's a 180 when that scene kinda suggest it so.
Also, if it turned out that Lian actually like Kuea's persona like this, then I can't realy fault Kuea much, lol. It would mean that apparently Kuea might know his fiance more if that simple line can get Lian hot and fluttered like that, lol.
I don't particularly agree with a lot of comment saying Lian doing 180 stuff cause I think there are hints here and there that made him gradually come to this. Except for one scene, the ending of this EP5. Like, I'm sorry but Mr. Lian, why are you, just now, smitten by Kuea's "susu na"/ganbatte/hwaiting/jiayou thing in this while he's been doing it before and potentially all the time before this mess started, lol. Would you humor me with why do you think that's the case?
Me too but he said something like "We are living like husband and wife " which i took like he referencing to a…
Yeah, I don't hear the word for wife said in there, and I've seen some thai tweet talked about it. It must be true since I went and checked the episode again and now they changed it to "married couple." Gotta hand it to them for fixing it quick.
I think self-respect is not the right words he doesn't have good self-esteem and I think that that comes from…
I have to disagree with passion and interesting not align with him being heir to rich family. Heir of rich people don't have to care about this stuff if they got the money, and Kuea is from prestigious old money even. He had less reason to care about this stuff. I, however, strongly agree that it's about the expectation the he set himself up with that his parents and Lian would be disappointed in him.
Nuer and Syn was still such a random development I don't even know what to feel about them. Their scenes were cute. I'll give them that. YiDiao might be repetitive but at least it was somewhat fresh air. I wasn't sure about Diao's confusion at first, but I like his more forwardness toward Yi. LianKuea is..... well, at least it's heading somewhere. Their pre-bed scene still feel like a fanfic of their own couple, lol. The bed scene was too long for my liking. I can't remember the rest about them, lol. It's not bad at this point, but it's gonna be hard for me to feel invested. I am Gemini in this episode tho, lol.
I'm not sure at this point why they want to instill the viewers more distrust toward Lian's character. It's pretty obvious that Lian's paperwork dealing with Keerati's properties is for Keerati's family's sake to save them from bankruptcy (my theory anyway). So I'm not sure why the show try to frame Lian's action as shady. I guess it's because they need to build a conflict toward the end.
The 1st episode, Lian told Kuea that "if you asked if I love you or not, that would be no" is not really a great translation despite being the crucial line. In Thai, what he said was more like "if you asked if I love you or not, I think that's not yet it" It boils down to the same thing, but there are nuance in the "yet." I went and checked the sub again, I think they changed it to "right now it would be no" which I'm not sure if that was it the first time around. It suggested that he doesn't exactly not love Kuea than a blatant no.
I know it doesn't amount to anything much since even if Lian didn't want to love Kuea's fake persona nor the fact that he's hiding his "naughty" self (that is still pretty tamed tbh), it doesn't excuse him for saying no in the first place. (I feel like it's an excuse for the story than anything, be it plot-driven or character-driven.)
I think it'd be better if we have a Lian's POV episode so we can see more of his side. I understand now that they really wanted to stick to the book because they didn't want to alienate the novel's fans. But having something to round out Lian, imo, is something that is needed a bit in the adaptation. And I think I can cut this show some slack with the editing flow, acting, coherent/consistency and presentation cuz they said Aoftionz has no experience with directing before and for someone who has no experience, this is not a bad result.
And do believe me that I do not take their words on face value, lol. Especially not with this show where everyone all has their reason to not always say absolute truth.
Let me elaborate more on the randomness I felt. All the kiss scenes between Lian and Kuea in this episode, tho it was hot, felt random and lacked good sense of pacing in conjunction with their relative scenes. YiDiao kiss felt like it made more sense than theirs. Syn and Nuer's development is quite out-of-the-blue random that it felt more like an excuse for fanservice than anything with what felt like a force dialogue that sounds more like a fanfiction of their characters than it should be. The whole scene at Pentagon is just weird and permeated with sense of not making sense that it's hard to really believe or buying into what's being shown as what they really think 'makes sense.' Of course, you can argue that everyone has their own reason and I know and believe that they do, but when shown on screen, it didn't came together to make much sense, if you get what I mean. That kiss was so random, and the action people did in the game require quite suspension of disbelief to buy into that it even made me doubt the friends' reaction of the kiss despite not being that hard to understand. It's less of a character motivation but more of a writer/director choice than anything.
That's all the obvious randomness that I felt was not making it make sense to me. I can forgive Lian's dance scene as the show trying to sell Zee's cute aspect and suspense my disbelief to buy and find good sense of character for that one. The actual date sequence between the main couple is really nice and actually make more sense plot-wise than the scenes I've mentioned above.
I think "not convincing" or "hard to suspend my disbelief to" might be a better word to use and I do admit that miscommunication on my part. I do hope you can see where I'm coming from.
Also, I'd like to add that the dichotomy between acceptance and not could stem from the religious belief that being born queer is a result of the person's sin in their past life of committing adultery and being unfaithful so they are punished in this life to be queer and not find a successful love life (which today's successful queer love have proven them wrong). The older generation who is holding the helm in the government right now might be struggling with this conflict to accept same-sex marriage. It might be a political bargain chip too with all the generation gap conflict going on in the country, so we don't know.
Thailand is still not the best place for lgbtq (tbh, where is), but it is still a place with higher tolerance. You won't see people randomly get attacked on the street just for being gay for sure.
But yeah, that's exactly what I feel about that conversation scene. Like, where did it come from. And then whiplash to angst the next morning.
I get you tho. It's just plain light-hearted show that you don't need to invest anything in.
Or maybe it was just the effect of all the dizziness from choppy editing during the swimming pool and the date scene. I don't know.
And I'll be the minority here for sure, cuz I don't like the after date walk scene that much. I like that they finally talk to each other there and have a nice moment, but it felt...... out of place? I don't know, it might just be me. But like, everything from that point on felt out of place, lol. I don't mind the sexy scene, but it kinda felt out of place here for some reason? It's weird. As amazing and well-acted each section was, it felt like it wasn't that consistent.
On to the positive. Tutor in jumpsuit was hot and Yi was actually kinda cute when he's drunk. Tho, BOTH Diao and Yi seems like they need therapy session. Poppy was amazing and I love Kuea's friend with gray shirt, Tonrak. He got some actual good acting. Poppy was grabbing on to all the beat he can find for comedic moment, lol.
I can't with the Vampire thing, lol. He lean into it.
But I mean, my intention was simply to tease him out and joke about it and have fun discussion along the way, lol. Like, if you at it in some perspective, it's still the same action from Kuea and so, even if I don't think Lian did a sudden 180 in this episode, I can't really fully say I don't understand when people say it's a 180 when that scene kinda suggest it so.
Also, if it turned out that Lian actually like Kuea's persona like this, then I can't realy fault Kuea much, lol. It would mean that apparently Kuea might know his fiance more if that simple line can get Lian hot and fluttered like that, lol.