It is still not clear if it is just Phee and Tan behind all those things that are happening. Who sharpened the…
Por *was* drugged, though, like the rest of them. I believe it was drug-induced fear and paranoia that drove him to flee as haphazardly as he did in the woods, and drugs definitely can inhibit one's movements and coordination, causing him to be unfocused.
I guess there could technically be a plot twist that "SIKE the masked murderer was real all along as well!" (aside from when Top was disguised as it) but I don't think that'd be a very good twist. It'd feel pretty cheap, but that might just be me.
Nobody asked and yet I'll share I still love Tee the most and he's my favorite and I hope TeeWhite live ❤ That might've sounded sarcastic but it's really not fyi
Also Tan and Phi have Por's death on their hands (and anyone else who ends up dead) but I guess that's fine cause he and the rest bullied Non, right? (this WAS sarcasm)
That is a perfect illustration of the BL fandom and the majority of users here being teenagers. Instincts walking…
10000% agree. Nuance is hard to come by in the BL fandom nowadays. People always claim to want and love "grey" characters with dubious morality, but then when those characters are portrayed as layered people in series, the color grey suddenly doesn't exist anymore.
I cannot take y'all seriously when whoever y'all want most to fucking die changes literally every week and always due to a single scene or a line of dialogue at worst
this should be an introspection on how actions have consequences. Teenagers can be very brutal but being a kind…
I'm not saying they should be absolved. But death is a disproportionate punishment. They should be counseled and undergo an extensive form of rehabilitation and therapy to unlearn their behaviors. And those behaviors can be explained to be caused by external factors. Nobody is coming out of the womb ready to bully the first person they see. That's all.
this should be an introspection on how actions have consequences. Teenagers can be very brutal but being a kind…
The original point of my very first comment in this specific thread was about disproportionate punishments for teenagers. You brought up a comparison between a 12-year-old and a 17-18-year-old, and I think that's a useless comparison to begin with. Because you said, "At this age, you're not a kid..." so how am I twisting your words? I'm saying in return to that that they are, in fact, still kids.
There's a difference between excusing and explaining someone's bad behavior, though I guess for many it's a hard one to figure out. Teenagers think they can get away with stuff because they're dumb teenagers. If they were adults faced with the exact same situations, they would not react the same--ie they would be able to control themselves, and would not have to deal with insane wack hormones and emotions. They're not yet at a point where they will make good moral decisions and know right from wrong all the time. They're in the midst of learning that, and their actions now can be *explained* by things such as upbringing, the adults around them, and their age.
Obviously, bullying is bad. Yet despite this, it still happens far too many times, and for a reason--children do not yet understand the consequences of their actions, and 17-18-year-olds fall under the children label. That's my point.
this should be an introspection on how actions have consequences. Teenagers can be very brutal but being a kind…
If they're "not a kid" at 17/18, then what is the point of even differentiating between minors and adults? By general LAW they are minors.
If they were 16, would what they did be fine, then? What if they were 15? 14? You're saying 12 years old is *your* hard limit for who is deemed a child or not, which is kind of... insane.
18 year olds are fucking stupid. That's just how it is. It's not a bad or good thing, that's just how young people are.
Frankly, it doesn't matter whether they're 12 or 18. Personally, I'd argue even at 20 and 21 people should be considered minors, however, that is my opinion. We do know the brain finishes developing in the MID to LATE 20s.
A good rule of thumb is to assume no character is dead unless we see their bodies. Do I believe both Non and Keng are alive? No. But maybe one of them is.
this should be an introspection on how actions have consequences. Teenagers can be very brutal but being a kind…
But not all consequences are created equal lmao. Death for teenage bullying and mistakes is a disproportionate punishment for the "crime", it's insane how y'all don't seem to agree with this. There's a reason minors are treated different in justice than adults. They're not yet capable of detecting manipulation, or control their impulses—they're not on the same playing field as adults. Hence, you cannot treat them as such.
Blood thirsty vindictive people lol, I like Jin, Phee and Non. "Oh I hate Jin the most!" Really? More than Tee?…
Public opinion sways on a dime. One scene can change it all for the majority. My favorite has been Tee from the very start and have been called a bully apologist for it in this discussion thread before.
I really have never understood the "I wish X character(s) die a horrific death" constantly seen in this thread because I hate to break it to ya, but you sound more psychopathic than Non ever did.
I said it before and I'll say it again, everyone should just like whichever character they wanna like. These characters are meant to be morally grey, aka like how actual people are. I'm just commenting this in general, to maybe reassure someone who feels conflicted about liking Jin or Non or whoever—it doesn't make you a bad person, I promise.
Am I the only one who thinks that whatever happened in the end, no one deserved to die? Yes they were bullies,…
Thank god cause I've been saying this from almost the fucking start but nobody in this thread ever really agreed. Which is why I quit commenting for a while, cause the seemingly genuine death wishes on these fictional teens were somewhat triggering. I will continue to root for as many characters to survive as possible because none of them deserve to be murdered 😶
Finally gonna post one of my theories. I think the person dying in this flashback section will be Keng, and it will involve Phi, Jin, and Tee, + possibly White. As in, they'll be responsible for his death. Remember that Fluke, in EP 4, calls out that Tee (+ unknown others) killed someone--but doesn't say it's Non.
(Obviously, if the screenwriters are unoriginal cowards they could be using an unnatural form of dialogue to purposely leave it vague--I say cowardly because the situation really calls for rather direct wording from Fluke. No need to be vague about who they supposedly killed in that scene, unless the name is not as pertinent, ie it's someone who's been unimportant or unknown up to that point--like Keng. Non has been discussed and mentioned by the group too many times to make obscuring his name drop by Fluke a natural thing unless it just isn't Non he's talking about. Or unless the writers are using being vague as a cowardly plot device, of course, to purposely lead us astray.)
From the translation I watched, Fluke says they killed *a person*. This also tells me Fluke isn't part of this murder/death, and Top and Tan likely aren't either. Por, maybe, maybe not.
A looser add-on theory from me is that Non really is going to just... disappear. Maybe in the woods around the cabin or something, possibly drugs or psychosis induced. If you wanna go more far-fetched, maybe someone else killed Non who isn't part of the group at all, hence why his fate is uncertain amid the group. Who knows, maybe it was the uncle guy (i forgor his name).
Why jin is getting the most hate and the painfull death wishes more than the groomer and the actual bullies😭😭
Because many people deluded themselves into thinking this series would have a 100% morally good character and thought that'd be Jin, when it was clear none of these characters were gonna be classically "good" people. It's just a result of typical basic, uninteresting thinking without nuance and that's why I cannot take this discussion thread seriously, with all their extremist death wishes.
I agree wholeheartedly. Non was in a terrible position and those so called friends have made his life hell all…
Totally get still liking Non and/or being unable to be mad at him! That's literally me with Tee (which I am aware is an unpopular take) where I 100% acknowledge he's done bad things while also sympathizing with his situation. He's in a horrible place as well, but somehow it took this episode and Non cheating for so many people to finally realize that there are layers to peoples' actions and that those don't necessarily make you an evil person.
It's like it's a strange concept for so many that characters/people can have motivations that aren't solely "looking out for every person around you and being the kindest, nicest person ever". Caring about your own life and shit that happens within it more than about some strangers' is something I cannot hate someone for. Of course there are certain unforgivable crimes, but so far, neither Non, Tee, Jin, Por, etc have done something even close to that---in my humble opinion.
So glad y'all finally get to see that characters written well are not, in fact, black and white caricatures.
Also, two things can be true at once. Non was groomed, and also cheated on Phi. Or are Phi's feelings and experiences invalid?
I mean, really, pick a lane here. Either teenagers have agency and can make choices (which so many of y'all apparently want them to die for, crazy) or they have no responsibility at all and should be, within lawful reason, excused due to them, yknow, being dumb hormonal teens. In which case only stripping Non of responsibility and agency would be extraordinarily hypocritical.
I'm going to be that bitch again and bring up Tee. He's being manipulated, forced, extorted, and blackmailed by his uncle because he needs medicine for his father. How responsible is he?
If Non isn't responsible for his cheating on Phi because he was groomed by Keng—then Tee isn't responsible for introducing Non to money laundering because he was groomed by his uncle.
If you like any of these characters just fucking embrace it. It's not a big deal to still like Jin or Non or whomever. Just take it from me, the resident Tee lover.
I guess there could technically be a plot twist that "SIKE the masked murderer was real all along as well!" (aside from when Top was disguised as it) but I don't think that'd be a very good twist. It'd feel pretty cheap, but that might just be me.
That might've sounded sarcastic but it's really not fyi
Also Tan and Phi have Por's death on their hands (and anyone else who ends up dead) but I guess that's fine cause he and the rest bullied Non, right? (this WAS sarcasm)
People always claim to want and love "grey" characters with dubious morality, but then when those characters are portrayed as layered people in series, the color grey suddenly doesn't exist anymore.
And those behaviors can be explained to be caused by external factors. Nobody is coming out of the womb ready to bully the first person they see. That's all.
Because you said, "At this age, you're not a kid..." so how am I twisting your words? I'm saying in return to that that they are, in fact, still kids.
There's a difference between excusing and explaining someone's bad behavior, though I guess for many it's a hard one to figure out. Teenagers think they can get away with stuff because they're dumb teenagers. If they were adults faced with the exact same situations, they would not react the same--ie they would be able to control themselves, and would not have to deal with insane wack hormones and emotions. They're not yet at a point where they will make good moral decisions and know right from wrong all the time. They're in the midst of learning that, and their actions now can be *explained* by things such as upbringing, the adults around them, and their age.
Obviously, bullying is bad. Yet despite this, it still happens far too many times, and for a reason--children do not yet understand the consequences of their actions, and 17-18-year-olds fall under the children label. That's my point.
If they were 16, would what they did be fine, then? What if they were 15? 14?
You're saying 12 years old is *your* hard limit for who is deemed a child or not, which is kind of... insane.
18 year olds are fucking stupid. That's just how it is. It's not a bad or good thing, that's just how young people are.
Frankly, it doesn't matter whether they're 12 or 18. Personally, I'd argue even at 20 and 21 people should be considered minors, however, that is my opinion. We do know the brain finishes developing in the MID to LATE 20s.
Do I believe both Non and Keng are alive? No.
But maybe one of them is.
I really have never understood the "I wish X character(s) die a horrific death" constantly seen in this thread because I hate to break it to ya, but you sound more psychopathic than Non ever did.
I said it before and I'll say it again, everyone should just like whichever character they wanna like. These characters are meant to be morally grey, aka like how actual people are.
I'm just commenting this in general, to maybe reassure someone who feels conflicted about liking Jin or Non or whoever—it doesn't make you a bad person, I promise.
Which is why I quit commenting for a while, cause the seemingly genuine death wishes on these fictional teens were somewhat triggering.
I will continue to root for as many characters to survive as possible because none of them deserve to be murdered 😶
I think the person dying in this flashback section will be Keng, and it will involve Phi, Jin, and Tee, + possibly White. As in, they'll be responsible for his death. Remember that Fluke, in EP 4, calls out that Tee (+ unknown others) killed someone--but doesn't say it's Non.
(Obviously, if the screenwriters are unoriginal cowards they could be using an unnatural form of dialogue to purposely leave it vague--I say cowardly because the situation really calls for rather direct wording from Fluke. No need to be vague about who they supposedly killed in that scene, unless the name is not as pertinent, ie it's someone who's been unimportant or unknown up to that point--like Keng. Non has been discussed and mentioned by the group too many times to make obscuring his name drop by Fluke a natural thing unless it just isn't Non he's talking about. Or unless the writers are using being vague as a cowardly plot device, of course, to purposely lead us astray.)
From the translation I watched, Fluke says they killed *a person*. This also tells me Fluke isn't part of this murder/death, and Top and Tan likely aren't either. Por, maybe, maybe not.
A looser add-on theory from me is that Non really is going to just... disappear. Maybe in the woods around the cabin or something, possibly drugs or psychosis induced. If you wanna go more far-fetched, maybe someone else killed Non who isn't part of the group at all, hence why his fate is uncertain amid the group. Who knows, maybe it was the uncle guy (i forgor his name).
It's just a result of typical basic, uninteresting thinking without nuance and that's why I cannot take this discussion thread seriously, with all their extremist death wishes.
He's in a horrible place as well, but somehow it took this episode and Non cheating for so many people to finally realize that there are layers to peoples' actions and that those don't necessarily make you an evil person.
It's like it's a strange concept for so many that characters/people can have motivations that aren't solely "looking out for every person around you and being the kindest, nicest person ever". Caring about your own life and shit that happens within it more than about some strangers' is something I cannot hate someone for. Of course there are certain unforgivable crimes, but so far, neither Non, Tee, Jin, Por, etc have done something even close to that---in my humble opinion.
Also, two things can be true at once. Non was groomed, and also cheated on Phi. Or are Phi's feelings and experiences invalid?
I mean, really, pick a lane here. Either teenagers have agency and can make choices (which so many of y'all apparently want them to die for, crazy) or they have no responsibility at all and should be, within lawful reason, excused due to them, yknow, being dumb hormonal teens.
In which case only stripping Non of responsibility and agency would be extraordinarily hypocritical.
I'm going to be that bitch again and bring up Tee. He's being manipulated, forced, extorted, and blackmailed by his uncle because he needs medicine for his father. How responsible is he?
If Non isn't responsible for his cheating on Phi because he was groomed by Keng—then Tee isn't responsible for introducing Non to money laundering because he was groomed by his uncle.
If you like any of these characters just fucking embrace it. It's not a big deal to still like Jin or Non or whomever. Just take it from me, the resident Tee lover.