Is it because of the whole Lili situation?I admit we are missing some crucial details like their age gap but isn't…
Oh, no. I don't care about him dating Lili even though it's a lil sus especially after all his adamant lecturing of Yuan in the past.
Also idk about us *knowing* San Pang is decent, we haven't gotten much insight on his relationship with Lili at all except they like to give each other very obvious and easily discoverable hickeys...
But anyway, I just, really think he's annoying? If he was a real person I could never get along with him. He's a meddling, nosy guy who seems to naturally police others. I don't trust him at all 🗿
Bruh!! Does high school mistakes involves, murder, goons, sex tape and all?? .... The reality is harsh, to say…
I see, you said "I think all of them should suffer the worst possible consequences of their actions" and therefore assumed you must mean New or whoever killing them, given DFF was set up as a slasher and is a horror, and many characters have already died—and death is possibly one of the worst consequences one can receive. So... I hope you can see where I misunderstood.
But regardless, I still disagree for the same reasons, mostly just personal preference. I think characters facing rightful consequences in television is really boring nowadays haha. Because it's not that realistic, and it's also predictable. But maybe I'm just a masochist 😕
Just my unsolicited opinion on White's character and the TeeWhite part of last episode—
1. Personally, I feel it's even more tragic for both White and Tee if White is wholly innocent. He's been put through the wringer when all he was promised was a trip to Por's family home.
2. What I call the very much anticipated (by me) TeeWhite Origin Story was... extremely necessary for the arc the writers chose to give Tee. White is the reason Tee actively wanted to change and steer away from the illegal shit he's been entrenched in. Like as cheesy as it sounds (I'm a fic writer don't blame me) White is Tee's LIGHT. That man would exchange his own life for White's in a fucking heartbeat, as seen on multiple occasions.
3. Going off of that, White informs the Tee we saw in the first four episodes and the Tee we've seen ever since White came into his life. So these "redemption" moments, whether you personally like it or not, from a writers standpoint was absolutely necessary in building Tee's character.
I do agree that White is a less 3dimensional character than Tee himself, but to reduce him to a mere tool to prop Tee up is going overboard. (IMO) He's made enough choices on his own, with or without Tee's presence, that he can stand on his own as a character.
Aside from all this, I totally get feeling like you'd wanted White to also have some hidden secret or morally dubious action he has taken. He sticks out narratively if it turns out he's wholly innocent. I personally like that though, I feel it's more realistic for a character to be accidentally wrapped up in others shit.
I do think it's a little weird to claim Tee doesn't deserve White, because... is Tee not one of if not the only one who has shown clear remorse for what happened and what he has done? Can people not change and be given another chance? (and Tee clearly has changed because of White, so unless you just want to see Tee and rest burn (which I know many of you do) then White's presence is a good thing for Tee)
If ya think people can't change, I mean, I guess I'll keep that in mind if y'all ever mess shit the fuck up in your lives (which you will unless maybe ur 80+ years old)
If you think that what Tee has done gives him zero right to a redemption then you're a lost cause lmao this comment won't convince you and I ain't gonna try again either
Bruh!! Does high school mistakes involves, murder, goons, sex tape and all?? .... The reality is harsh, to say…
Sex tapes, goons? Absolutely those can be part of the high school experience. Murder... not usually lol, however the murders committed in DFF so far have been by New, Fluke and Top (arguably only partially at fault bc of drugs), and by Tee's uncle. And that's what I'm trying to make clear with my comment, again, that in this story it's extremely unclear who is at fault, and I'd argue NOBODY is solely responsible for what happened to Non.
Not everything that is morally incorrect by a certain amount of people's standards is punishable by law, and I'm very thankful it's that way. People are complex and make mistakes for a variety of reasons, sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes understandable and sometimes not. From that statement alone, isn't it obvious that there should be a gray area regarding certain aspects in crime and justice and punishment?
But listen, I think (/hope) I get what you're trying to say. You're free to like the type of stories that are "you reap what you sow"—I get the satisfaction one can get from those.
It's the revenge plot that is prominent in DFF and so many other stories. I've been bullied all my school years and I get hating bullies. I get wanting DFF to be a revenge power fantasy.
But to me, those storylines are just too boring and basic. I'm done with them. The reason I keep loving DFF is because the characters are stumbling, fumbling, making mistakes and choices good and bad—I'm not watching for the revenge, I never was.
But if *you* are, honestly, good for you. Just as valid of a reason!
Is it Top's fault, for breaking the camera? Is it Tee's fault, for taking advantage of the situation and shifting the camera blame? Is it Por's fault, for pressuring Non to pay it all back? Is it Fluke's fault, for not speaking up? Is it the group's fault for calling Non words and bullying him in general? Is it Phi's fault, for not talking it out with Non? Is it Jin's fault, for letting it all happen and recording the tape? Is it Keng's fault, for grooming him? Is it Tee's fault, for introducing him into the money-laundering sphere? Is it Non's parents' (and New's) fault, for neglecting him? Is it Non's own fault, for not leaving the friend group once things started going awry? Is it the school/teachers' fault, for never stepping in or noticing Non's situation? Is it the police's fault, as they are corrupt?
I'm just over the continuous shifting around of blame and trying to pick out which character did Non the dirtiest. Like, this should make it clear (even though you're free to hate or love whichever character you want) that there is no single action that caused Non's suffering.
It's all a culmination of unfortunate/selfish/understandable/desperate actions taken by everyone. The screenwriters wrote characters that make mistakes and are nuanced, trying to simulate what humans are like. If you think any of these teens/young adults should die, this tells me you're an immature child who's still in school and believes that bullying is the single greatest "crime" of humanity. You're missing the bigger picture.
TLDR; the moral of the story is to stan TeeWhite for clear skin just like White has.
Lets talk about it! Poor Tee is a victim too! He is a product of his environment. He was only trying to get help…
Haha I see, Tee has been my favorite from the start and this hasn't changed at any point. Obviously a very unpopular opinion so I didn't end up commenting much here.
I am cursed to somehow always love (one of) the characters the majority watching a series dislike! But it's not like I don't get not liking him, just, wish there'd be more nuance instead of the "I wish they'd all die a horrible death" comments lol
I want Tee to suffer the most and White to be the last one to betray Tee and show his true face.. Tan and Phee…
Yeah, I'm sorry too. Usually I don't fly off the handle like that so I apologize for my hot headedness and rudeness. I'm really really sick of being bashed for liking a fictional character, and for some reason your comment felt like the last drop in the bucket.
I've also written countless essays on my faves, in this thread but also others, and I'm literally cursed to always love the majority viewer's least liked character 🙂 So while I'm very much used to opposing opinions, I do have a tolerance limit.
And, well... 4% is an improvement to 1.5% so I guess I'll take it haha. Maybe one day, in retrospect, after all the episodes have aired, the percentage will increase again... A girlie can dream 🙏🏻
I want Tee to suffer the most and White to be the last one to betray Tee and show his true face.. Tan and Phee…
Guess I misunderstood, though I feel like certain word choices in your comment are 99% of the time associated with dislike/hate of something, ie calling them assholes/wanting them to suffer. Usually that indicates a form of dislike... so excuse me for interpreting it that way.
I'm very tired of the same talking points being thrown at me when all I do is claim to like a character. It's always the same stuff, and it's always me being condemned one way or the other in this case for liking Tee, so I apologize for interpreting your comment in that way if it's not like that.
I hope you understand where I'm coming from. I constantly feel the need to defend why I like the things/characters I do in this discussion thread. It's my own fault for commenting here in the first place, which invites others to react—so it's not like you were in the wrong. I was just hoping for like-minded people instead of the opposite.
I want Tee to suffer the most and White to be the last one to betray Tee and show his true face.. Tan and Phee…
i don't think i asked but ok your opinion is the majority one so it's not like a comment like yours is unexpected, though i still audibly sighed. i didn't need to be told how you want them to suffer. it's pretty redundant to tell me how much you hate him, though are technically free to do so--just kind of an asshole move imo. it's not like i'll change my mind lmao.
i'm.... glad you want my favorite characters to suffer? like what do you want me to say what was the point of this
wait... what?! 🤔... Noooo 😱 Tee should burn in hell for all eternity and White should find himself a better…
girll i have written tens of essays about Tee in this discussion thread i can't repeat my talking points every time 😭 but i will just for u
he's sympathetic to me, i love his annoyed/bored expressions, i love how he's made flawed decisions but has shown clear love for White, and he's the most interesting to me bc of his money laundering/gambling/uncle setting.
TeeWhite are soo cute. Tee really seems to love white. In this episode when white came to meet Tee they were so…
Literally! This EP has been great for some TeeWhite fanfic fuel for me haha. I fully believe there will be more to White than what we've see so far, although I don't buy the "White will betray Tee/works together with Phi Tan" theory at all. I never have, and especially after this EP—ain't no way.
Also idk about us *knowing* San Pang is decent, we haven't gotten much insight on his relationship with Lili at all except they like to give each other very obvious and easily discoverable hickeys...
But anyway, I just, really think he's annoying? If he was a real person I could never get along with him. He's a meddling, nosy guy who seems to naturally police others. I don't trust him at all 🗿
But I'm still gonna watch it lmfaoo
So... I hope you can see where I misunderstood.
But regardless, I still disagree for the same reasons, mostly just personal preference. I think characters facing rightful consequences in television is really boring nowadays haha. Because it's not that realistic, and it's also predictable.
But maybe I'm just a masochist 😕
1. Personally, I feel it's even more tragic for both White and Tee if White is wholly innocent. He's been put through the wringer when all he was promised was a trip to Por's family home.
2. What I call the very much anticipated (by me) TeeWhite Origin Story was... extremely necessary for the arc the writers chose to give Tee. White is the reason Tee actively wanted to change and steer away from the illegal shit he's been entrenched in. Like as cheesy as it sounds (I'm a fic writer don't blame me) White is Tee's LIGHT. That man would exchange his own life for White's in a fucking heartbeat, as seen on multiple occasions.
3. Going off of that, White informs the Tee we saw in the first four episodes and the Tee we've seen ever since White came into his life. So these "redemption" moments, whether you personally like it or not, from a writers standpoint was absolutely necessary in building Tee's character.
I do agree that White is a less 3dimensional character than Tee himself, but to reduce him to a mere tool to prop Tee up is going overboard. (IMO)
He's made enough choices on his own, with or without Tee's presence, that he can stand on his own as a character.
Aside from all this, I totally get feeling like you'd wanted White to also have some hidden secret or morally dubious action he has taken. He sticks out narratively if it turns out he's wholly innocent. I personally like that though, I feel it's more realistic for a character to be accidentally wrapped up in others shit.
I do think it's a little weird to claim Tee doesn't deserve White, because... is Tee not one of if not the only one who has shown clear remorse for what happened and what he has done? Can people not change and be given another chance? (and Tee clearly has changed because of White, so unless you just want to see Tee and rest burn (which I know many of you do) then White's presence is a good thing for Tee)
If ya think people can't change, I mean, I guess I'll keep that in mind if y'all ever mess shit the fuck up in your lives (which you will unless maybe ur 80+ years old)
If you think that what Tee has done gives him zero right to a redemption then you're a lost cause lmao this comment won't convince you and I ain't gonna try again either
And that's what I'm trying to make clear with my comment, again, that in this story it's extremely unclear who is at fault, and I'd argue NOBODY is solely responsible for what happened to Non.
Not everything that is morally incorrect by a certain amount of people's standards is punishable by law, and I'm very thankful it's that way. People are complex and make mistakes for a variety of reasons, sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes understandable and sometimes not. From that statement alone, isn't it obvious that there should be a gray area regarding certain aspects in crime and justice and punishment?
But listen, I think (/hope) I get what you're trying to say. You're free to like the type of stories that are "you reap what you sow"—I get the satisfaction one can get from those.
It's the revenge plot that is prominent in DFF and so many other stories. I've been bullied all my school years and I get hating bullies. I get wanting DFF to be a revenge power fantasy.
But to me, those storylines are just too boring and basic. I'm done with them. The reason I keep loving DFF is because the characters are stumbling, fumbling, making mistakes and choices good and bad—I'm not watching for the revenge, I never was.
But if *you* are, honestly, good for you. Just as valid of a reason!
Is it Tee's fault, for taking advantage of the situation and shifting the camera blame?
Is it Por's fault, for pressuring Non to pay it all back?
Is it Fluke's fault, for not speaking up?
Is it the group's fault for calling Non words and bullying him in general?
Is it Phi's fault, for not talking it out with Non?
Is it Jin's fault, for letting it all happen and recording the tape?
Is it Keng's fault, for grooming him?
Is it Tee's fault, for introducing him into the money-laundering sphere?
Is it Non's parents' (and New's) fault, for neglecting him?
Is it Non's own fault, for not leaving the friend group once things started going awry?
Is it the school/teachers' fault, for never stepping in or noticing Non's situation?
Is it the police's fault, as they are corrupt?
I'm just over the continuous shifting around of blame and trying to pick out which character did Non the dirtiest. Like, this should make it clear (even though you're free to hate or love whichever character you want) that there is no single action that caused Non's suffering.
It's all a culmination of unfortunate/selfish/understandable/desperate actions taken by everyone. The screenwriters wrote characters that make mistakes and are nuanced, trying to simulate what humans are like. If you think any of these teens/young adults should die, this tells me you're an immature child who's still in school and believes that bullying is the single greatest "crime" of humanity. You're missing the bigger picture.
TLDR; the moral of the story is to stan TeeWhite for clear skin just like White has.
Thank u for coming to my DFF TED Talk.
I am cursed to somehow always love (one of) the characters the majority watching a series dislike! But it's not like I don't get not liking him, just, wish there'd be more nuance instead of the "I wish they'd all die a horrible death" comments lol
I've also written countless essays on my faves, in this thread but also others, and I'm literally cursed to always love the majority viewer's least liked character 🙂
So while I'm very much used to opposing opinions, I do have a tolerance limit.
And, well... 4% is an improvement to 1.5% so I guess I'll take it haha. Maybe one day, in retrospect, after all the episodes have aired, the percentage will increase again... A girlie can dream 🙏🏻
I'm very tired of the same talking points being thrown at me when all I do is claim to like a character. It's always the same stuff, and it's always me being condemned one way or the other in this case for liking Tee, so I apologize for interpreting your comment in that way if it's not like that.
I hope you understand where I'm coming from. I constantly feel the need to defend why I like the things/characters I do in this discussion thread. It's my own fault for commenting here in the first place, which invites others to react—so it's not like you were in the wrong. I was just hoping for like-minded people instead of the opposite.
your opinion is the majority one so it's not like a comment like yours is unexpected, though i still audibly sighed.
i didn't need to be told how you want them to suffer. it's pretty redundant to tell me how much you hate him, though are technically free to do so--just kind of an asshole move imo. it's not like i'll change my mind lmao.
i'm.... glad you want my favorite characters to suffer? like what do you want me to say what was the point of this
he's sympathetic to me, i love his annoyed/bored expressions, i love how he's made flawed decisions but has shown clear love for White, and he's the most interesting to me bc of his money laundering/gambling/uncle setting.