I love Way. I only want the best for him. He can manipulate whoever he wants. I support his goals and motivations. Nothing he could say or do will make me love him less. He's all that keeps me from rating this series 5 stars.
Or less than 5, if we get any more mama/papa dialogue.
I just wanna play devil's advocate for a minute because I'm just like that and I'm already strangely attached to TeeWhite, so please don't get too angry about what I say even if you disagree. It's fine if you do, it's just my personal observation/interpretation/opinion. I like putting out contrasting arguments to the average consensus.
While fleeing and leaving the rest behind does inherently say something about Tee (and Top), I do want to consider that they've caught the brunt of the killer sightings and had to deal with not being believed. Top got hit another time last episode in the bathroom with the closest killer encounter yet, and he already seems like the superstitious/easily scared type to me. While some others did join them in Camp "We're Cursed", I feel that's mostly because of the shared secret/guilt they have regarding Non.
I personally cut them both some slack. Again, while fleeing may not be morally right, Tee didn't just turn back around because of the killer jumpscare, but because of the photo of him and White, and proceeded to convince Top to go back.
Because of that, for now, until proven otherwise, I believe that at least on Tee's end it was a genuine lapse in judgment based on a flight reaction to fear and rising tensions within the group.
I don’t think the punching is justified. I do understand the keeping emotional distance. It seems really real…
I felt the gap between how they acted the previous episode and this latest one too much. It came across as a total 180 to me, but hey, I'm glad it didn't bother you!
I agree with everyone saying this EP was the weakest so far. I get Phaya has to discover stuff and find shit out about their previous life but most scenes involving his grandma and sister really drag. Besides Dao being both sus and the actress herself acting not very well, Phaya's sister is also quite annoying to me. And I wish she wasn't, women in BLs have it hard enough, but her whiny and demanding attitude towards Phaya grated me hardcore.
Also, someone may have mentioned this but we all remember when Phaya hit Tharn, right? At that time the general consensus seemed to be Phaya was in the wrong—and rightfully so, I agree. But you can tell where I'm going with this. This EP Tharn hit Phaya and somehow it's still justified? I get that the circumstances are different but Tharn still slammed Phaya also without hearing him out in any way. Assault is assault. You can still understand some reason of why Tharn did so without deeming it justified.
100% agree with the observations about Tharn feeling quite different this EP. It feels like we've gone back to their dynamic from three or four episodes ago. I mentioned the miscommunication before and I would've thought that by now we can expect Phaya and Tharn to at least confide in each other more and show that their bond and trust has grown stronger.
Phaya clearly showed something was wrong, almost to hysteria levels, even though he's bad with his words. I'd have taken a sec or two to talk to Phaya nicely and reassure him WITHOUT being so cold and distanced.
Man's almost got to mania levels of panic, frustration and fear, and Tharn was just like 😐😕😶
i cannot wait for the scene where the killer jumps out, pulls off their mask, and claim "it's just a prank!" with a video camera in hand streaming live to YouTube
I completely agree, though I do want to add that it feels to me hypocritical of Tharn to not take Phaya at least…
But they're still visions only Tharn can see? So to explain those instances of saving Phaya to, well, Phaya, it'd still take considerable trust and belief from him in Tharn and his words.
And I would've liked to see some of that trust reflected in Tharn considering Phaya's words more, especially since Phaya called Tharn earlier to tell him about his bad dream involving him. I'm not saying Tharn should've gone with Phaya. It's more about his reaction.
I don't know how it looks to anyone like Tharn DOES believe Phaya, but okay, if that's what you took from it, that's fine. But I didn't.
I see peope complaining about Tharn being stubborn but what about Phaya? ok he's trying to protect Tharn 'cause…
I completely agree, though I do want to add that it feels to me hypocritical of Tharn to not take Phaya at least a little more seriously. That's what I personally would've liked to see, some more consideration because hey, Tharn has his visions that so often involve Phaya.
The roles were reversed like an episode of two ago. Phaya obviously veers towards more aggressive and hot tempered methods, but still!
I appreciate all the rationality about the story and characters and I'm right there with y'all I PROMISE but I also cannot deny that this episode frustrated me. I think it's because of the tried and true miscommunication trope which was quite prevalent this episode when it usually isn't, or isn't as bad.
I'm here, I'm just so tired. I really thought learning more about Charlie would make the main couple make more…
' Any time the writing even comes close to being compelling, they find a way to completely drain the momentum from the scene ' THIS! Sometimes the scenes flow nicely but then they throw in a nonsensical wrench in the form of wack dialogue or character interactions that have me full stop and wonder exactly why the fuck I am still watching. But I continue for PeteWay. Without them, I'd have genuinely dropped PB after the third or fourth episode.
Me personally, in writing I don't mind omegaverse much, but seeing it on screen in PB did make me physically cringe and then laugh, ie the mama/papa moments in the previous episode. I'm also just uncomfortable with that kind of talk including talking about babies and pregnancies, so yeah, definitely personal things. But I thought people claimed the producers weren't going to include much if any of the omegaverse stuff? Clearly not true. They managed to write some sort of limbo where they did include terms and vibes but nothing about it makes sense.
It's just sad, because the story and all the characters could have potential. I'm sure the original author has talent, because the characters are in interesting positions in the world, including working for the antagonist, which I love. But they squandered it all in favour of more Charlie/Babe which somehow also still doesn't make sense.
I once promised a Way essay in this discussion thread so whether you like him (or me) or not, here we go. (And no, I'm not saying you can't dislike Way, I'm only attempting to show how his character comes across to ME.)
I totally get why some want Way to "move on already", but how many BL series do we have where characters also have years long one-sided crushes? Plenty. It's not an unrealistic or unreasonable character arc.
Granted, usually there's a timeskip in other series, which is why I said I get why Way may be tiring to see for some. But I can't help but think it's endearing. It's giving a (somewhat deranged) ride or die personality to me. He's holding onto misplaced hope, grasping for any straw, any lead Babe gives him. He is delusional, but I believe that shows how deep their friendship has been—likely some codependency element, from Way towards Babe.
I also think showing how much Way cares about/loves Babe and is attached to him will make the eventual PeteWay so much more impactful and interesting but maybe that's just me.
Side note, I feel this all shows that Way may not think very highly of himself anyway. The fact that he is willing to grovel to "cringe" levels for Babe tells me he doesn't see himself as equal to others, ie self worth issues. I don't know if PB will ever get into that with Way given that so far Charlie/Babe screentime is overpowering all else, but hey, a girlie can dream.
anyway just my own very personal very subjective interpretation of Way ok it's not an attack on anyone
It's probably one of them with an accomplice outside, using the supernatural element as a red herring. After all…
I 100% agree that it's unlikely to be anything supernatural! Something definitely happened with Non which is an interesting side mystery, but I highly doubt this series will go the "culprit = monster(/supernatural)" route, even though I'd frankly love to see it.
What cracked me up was Ten's nosy stepmother standing with a bowl of fruits in the kitchen and being a low-key…
Oh my god, literally I thought the same as well. I genuinely believed they implied SA! But then it really just seemed to be more about inquiring a lot/invasive questions (has she touched him at all yet??) and I was like, "Did I just gaslight myself?"
All that to say I'm relieved I'm not the only one whose mind instantly went there. I thought I'd have to check myself into a mental hospital for being insane.
I only want the best for him.
He can manipulate whoever he wants.
I support his goals and motivations.
Nothing he could say or do will make me love him less.
He's all that keeps me from rating this series 5 stars.
Or less than 5, if we get any more mama/papa dialogue.
It's fine if you do, it's just my personal observation/interpretation/opinion. I like putting out contrasting arguments to the average consensus.
While fleeing and leaving the rest behind does inherently say something about Tee (and Top), I do want to consider that they've caught the brunt of the killer sightings and had to deal with not being believed.
Top got hit another time last episode in the bathroom with the closest killer encounter yet, and he already seems like the superstitious/easily scared type to me.
While some others did join them in Camp "We're Cursed", I feel that's mostly because of the shared secret/guilt they have regarding Non.
I personally cut them both some slack. Again, while fleeing may not be morally right, Tee didn't just turn back around because of the killer jumpscare, but because of the photo of him and White, and proceeded to convince Top to go back.
Because of that, for now, until proven otherwise, I believe that at least on Tee's end it was a genuine lapse in judgment based on a flight reaction to fear and rising tensions within the group.
TLDR; Tee may be a dingus, but he's my dingus <3
I get Phaya has to discover stuff and find shit out about their previous life but most scenes involving his grandma and sister really drag.
Besides Dao being both sus and the actress herself acting not very well, Phaya's sister is also quite annoying to me.
And I wish she wasn't, women in BLs have it hard enough, but her whiny and demanding attitude towards Phaya grated me hardcore.
Also, someone may have mentioned this but we all remember when Phaya hit Tharn, right?
At that time the general consensus seemed to be Phaya was in the wrong—and rightfully so, I agree.
But you can tell where I'm going with this. This EP Tharn hit Phaya and somehow it's still justified?
I get that the circumstances are different but Tharn still slammed Phaya also without hearing him out in any way. Assault is assault.
You can still understand some reason of why Tharn did so without deeming it justified.
100% agree with the observations about Tharn feeling quite different this EP.
It feels like we've gone back to their dynamic from three or four episodes ago.
I mentioned the miscommunication before and I would've thought that by now we can expect Phaya and Tharn to at least confide in each other more and show that their bond and trust has grown stronger.
Phaya clearly showed something was wrong, almost to hysteria levels, even though he's bad with his words. I'd have taken a sec or two to talk to Phaya nicely and reassure him WITHOUT being so cold and distanced.
Man's almost got to mania levels of panic, frustration and fear, and Tharn was just like 😐😕😶
And I would've liked to see some of that trust reflected in Tharn considering Phaya's words more, especially since Phaya called Tharn earlier to tell him about his bad dream involving him.
I'm not saying Tharn should've gone with Phaya. It's more about his reaction.
I don't know how it looks to anyone like Tharn DOES believe Phaya, but okay, if that's what you took from it, that's fine. But I didn't.
That's what I personally would've liked to see, some more consideration because hey, Tharn has his visions that so often involve Phaya.
The roles were reversed like an episode of two ago. Phaya obviously veers towards more aggressive and hot tempered methods, but still!
I think it's because of the tried and true miscommunication trope which was quite prevalent this episode when it usually isn't, or isn't as bad.
Sometimes the scenes flow nicely but then they throw in a nonsensical wrench in the form of wack dialogue or character interactions that have me full stop and wonder exactly why the fuck I am still watching.
But I continue for PeteWay. Without them, I'd have genuinely dropped PB after the third or fourth episode.
Me personally, in writing I don't mind omegaverse much, but seeing it on screen in PB did make me physically cringe and then laugh, ie the mama/papa moments in the previous episode.
I'm also just uncomfortable with that kind of talk including talking about babies and pregnancies, so yeah, definitely personal things.
But I thought people claimed the producers weren't going to include much if any of the omegaverse stuff? Clearly not true.
They managed to write some sort of limbo where they did include terms and vibes but nothing about it makes sense.
It's just sad, because the story and all the characters could have potential. I'm sure the original author has talent, because the characters are in interesting positions in the world, including working for the antagonist, which I love.
But they squandered it all in favour of more Charlie/Babe which somehow also still doesn't make sense.
(And no, I'm not saying you can't dislike Way, I'm only attempting to show how his character comes across to ME.)
I totally get why some want Way to "move on already", but how many BL series do we have where characters also have years long one-sided crushes?
Plenty. It's not an unrealistic or unreasonable character arc.
Granted, usually there's a timeskip in other series, which is why I said I get why Way may be tiring to see for some.
But I can't help but think it's endearing. It's giving a (somewhat deranged) ride or die personality to me.
He's holding onto misplaced hope, grasping for any straw, any lead Babe gives him.
He is delusional, but I believe that shows how deep their friendship has been—likely some codependency element, from Way towards Babe.
I also think showing how much Way cares about/loves Babe and is attached to him will make the eventual PeteWay so much more impactful and interesting but maybe that's just me.
Side note, I feel this all shows that Way may not think very highly of himself anyway.
The fact that he is willing to grovel to "cringe" levels for Babe tells me he doesn't see himself as equal to others, ie self worth issues.
I don't know if PB will ever get into that with Way given that so far Charlie/Babe screentime is overpowering all else, but hey, a girlie can dream.
anyway just my own very personal very subjective interpretation of Way ok it's not an attack on anyone
Are any WAC members still around here or have y'all given up on the series lmfao
Cause I almost gave up after last episode.
Something definitely happened with Non which is an interesting side mystery, but I highly doubt this series will go the "culprit = monster(/supernatural)" route, even though I'd frankly love to see it.
But then it really just seemed to be more about inquiring a lot/invasive questions (has she touched him at all yet??) and I was like, "Did I just gaslight myself?"
All that to say I'm relieved I'm not the only one whose mind instantly went there.
I thought I'd have to check myself into a mental hospital for being insane.