You're not alone my brethren, there are those of us out here feeling similar to you.
Pfft totally get not knowing who Pete is. He's had very minor appearances so far, though more substantial ones in the latest episode.
It's a pattern for me to latch onto one or two side characters hardcore when I dislike the main ones. May or may not be a coping mechanism to prevent feeling like I've wasted my time on a series, who knows...
And hey, I don't even *like* being a hater, though it certainly makes my days more interesting. There are plenty of series I adore that the general average doesn't.
I mentioned yesterday somewhere that Charlie could die and I wouldn't be emotionally impacted in the slightest. In fact if anything I might just celebrate, cause it'd be unexpected and interesting at least. But honestly it's probably too late into the series for me to care about anything Charlie/Babe related.
Sometimes the black and white morality of these boards astonishes me. It is possible to enjoy something and still…
Oh yeah, it's getting to the point where I feel the need to disclaim 3 or more times in my longer comments that what I'm saying is all subjective and that it's not an attack on anybody.
If you like Charlie and think he's perfectly normal and not sus at all, good for you, I'm happy the show's working for you. And if my fave character is Way, that still doesn't mean that invalidates all I said about Charlie just because *you* dislike him. I always like morally dubious characters, it's a subjective thing, damn! Etcetera.
Sometimes it feels like reasoning with toddlers here. I know it's always hard to get nuance in these types of places but any more of what comes across to me as purposefully misunderstanding my points and I'm just not gonna comment at all anymore.
You're not alone my brethren, there are those of us out here feeling similar to you.
Oh, I post paragraphs of long comments in this comment section about my thoughts each episode because I just like analyzing exactly why stuff didn't work or did work for me, hah.
My comment about this episode is very far back now cause I wrote it right after it aired, but without the ability to "be a hater", as someone people here would say, I would've dropped many series already.
Also I genuinely love the side character Way. I like dubious characters cause they make shit interesting because writers are too afraid to make main characters/the Good Guys make those choices.
Honestly without him and Pete I'd have a very, very hard time getting through these episodes.
As a fellow "nit picker", I agree with everything you said. "And I'm not saying this is the only BL with those…
Yeah, that's the thing I've noticed too, that the longer a series goes on the more forgiving these comment sections seem about issues in a series. It makes sense, but still, it'll obviously skew perceptions. And I still acknowledge I'm somewhat of a perfectionistic nitpicker, but that's only because I want series to be good.
I also like Pit Babe... in general. Its production value is pretty good, the actors are mostly good with some exceptions, and the plot is strange but acceptable up until the latest episode. Yet I still also stand by one of my earliest ever critiques of this series, that Charlie/Babe's barely existent chemistry is shallow and superficial, only there because the screenwriters wrote romantic scenes and the characters kissing. I still don't even think they truly have chemistry in the first place.
The actors outside their roles are another thing entirely, it somehow doesn't translate to the screen which I imagine we mostly have the director to blame for.
Pit Babe also falls victim to the Too Many Characters/Romances trope. I think directors should pick more wisely which characters to focus on and consider budget, episode length, and some general film and screenwriting rules. Cause there ain't no way we'll get satisfying arcs with all SIX romances in this series.
P.S. 10000% agree. I didn't wanna say it but you got it.
As a fellow "nit picker", I agree with everything you said. "And I'm not saying this is the only BL with those…
Ahhh you get me! Finally someone! I started to gaslight myself about whether I'm crazy for being bothered regarding these things!
100% agree with Jeff and Charlie being the defect cogs in this series at its core. Mainly Charlie if only because he's one of the Mainest Main Characters. Not just because of how they act (around characters and in general) but also how they fit in the world and story. It's almost like they were forced into the plot and don't truly, naturally belong.
I align so much more with how Way treats Jeff and Charlie whether he was wrong this episode about Jeff or not. (though that might just say something about me, let's not think about that any longer 🙂) They ARE suspicious. They SHOULD be questioned more thoroughly than others when Babe's car was sabotaged.
I also can't turn my brain off when watching any series, though I've learned to expect certain things based on production quality. Minor leaps in logic happen all the time. But Pit Babe has leapt too close to the sun!
P.S. This is clearly an unpopular opinion, but I think Jeff is kind of annoying and not endearing in the slightest. I like Alan tho 🤷♀️ While Charlie isn't as annoying as he is boring, bland, empty, and repetitive. Which is another type of annoying in and of itself, I guess. He has no personality! Or like, his personality is "Babe's Biggest Simp".
I need this series now more than ever among all the garbage series currently airing. I've never looked forward to next episodes as much as I have The Sign's.
charlie makes all the sense.. the guy absorbs powers .. it would be interesting if he can use the absorbed powers…
Okay... even if I assume this is true, has that been explained in the series yet? No. There has been no indication that Charlie has any type of power. I'm guessing you got this from the novel, and so my point still stands.
I'm daddy Pete team, even if he makes a bad decision in the love department. 😁
I like Way because my brain decided to ride or die for him hahaha. He's definitely not for everyone so I get not liking him, I just love characters with some moral... issues? Always have.
What do we know about Way except he's been in love with Babe for years and has been mind fucking him for as long…
You're absolutely right about Way. I like him because of the little things we have seen of him that make him more interesting to me than Charlie. His one-sided love is, in fact, more interesting to me than anything Charlie has done. We've seen Way make dubious decisions because of his love for Babe.
But this is why I'm pretty sure I reiterated thrice or so that 99% of my comment is subjective. I totally get disagreeing. It's just about which character you prefer more, and my favorite happens to be Way. If someone never liked Way in the first place, then your arguments are easy to make. But I wrote my comment because I liked Charlie at first, and I WANT to like him, but the series is making it impossible.
I always like more dubious characters, and I think it actually helps that we don't know much about Way yet. Because if he did have more screentime, I'm sure it'd be as boring as what we've seen of Charlie so far.
I disagree that anyone had a wtf reaction. Except Way. They all just kinda took Babe's suggestion with less than a shrug. I think his plan is absolutely stupid. Dean, North and Sonic have been with the team for so much longer, and the team would have a good grasp of their skills and what they're capable of. Charlie is a blank wildcard. Only Babe knows what he could do because he literally personally trained him. All the others on the team have seen of Charlie is those times when he shakily drove around the track in Babe's car with Babe as his mentor.
It's a pattern for me to latch onto one or two side characters hardcore when I dislike the main ones.
May or may not be a coping mechanism to prevent feeling like I've wasted my time on a series, who knows...
And hey, I don't even *like* being a hater, though it certainly makes my days more interesting. There are plenty of series I adore that the general average doesn't.
I mentioned yesterday somewhere that Charlie could die and I wouldn't be emotionally impacted in the slightest.
In fact if anything I might just celebrate, cause it'd be unexpected and interesting at least.
But honestly it's probably too late into the series for me to care about anything Charlie/Babe related.
If you like Charlie and think he's perfectly normal and not sus at all, good for you, I'm happy the show's working for you.
And if my fave character is Way, that still doesn't mean that invalidates all I said about Charlie just because *you* dislike him. I always like morally dubious characters, it's a subjective thing, damn!
Etcetera.
Sometimes it feels like reasoning with toddlers here. I know it's always hard to get nuance in these types of places but any more of what comes across to me as purposefully misunderstanding my points and I'm just not gonna comment at all anymore.
My comment about this episode is very far back now cause I wrote it right after it aired, but without the ability to "be a hater", as someone people here would say, I would've dropped many series already.
Also I genuinely love the side character Way. I like dubious characters cause they make shit interesting because writers are too afraid to make main characters/the Good Guys make those choices.
Honestly without him and Pete I'd have a very, very hard time getting through these episodes.
It makes sense, but still, it'll obviously skew perceptions.
And I still acknowledge I'm somewhat of a perfectionistic nitpicker, but that's only because I want series to be good.
I also like Pit Babe... in general. Its production value is pretty good, the actors are mostly good with some exceptions, and the plot is strange but acceptable up until the latest episode.
Yet I still also stand by one of my earliest ever critiques of this series, that Charlie/Babe's barely existent chemistry is shallow and superficial, only there because the screenwriters wrote romantic scenes and the characters kissing. I still don't even think they truly have chemistry in the first place.
The actors outside their roles are another thing entirely, it somehow doesn't translate to the screen which I imagine we mostly have the director to blame for.
Pit Babe also falls victim to the Too Many Characters/Romances trope. I think directors should pick more wisely which characters to focus on and consider budget, episode length, and some general film and screenwriting rules.
Cause there ain't no way we'll get satisfying arcs with all SIX romances in this series.
P.S. 10000% agree. I didn't wanna say it but you got it.
100% agree with Jeff and Charlie being the defect cogs in this series at its core. Mainly Charlie if only because he's one of the Mainest Main Characters.
Not just because of how they act (around characters and in general) but also how they fit in the world and story.
It's almost like they were forced into the plot and don't truly, naturally belong.
I align so much more with how Way treats Jeff and Charlie whether he was wrong this episode about Jeff or not. (though that might just say something about me, let's not think about that any longer 🙂)
They ARE suspicious. They SHOULD be questioned more thoroughly than others when Babe's car was sabotaged.
I also can't turn my brain off when watching any series, though I've learned to expect certain things based on production quality. Minor leaps in logic happen all the time.
But Pit Babe has leapt too close to the sun!
P.S. This is clearly an unpopular opinion, but I think Jeff is kind of annoying and not endearing in the slightest. I like Alan tho 🤷♀️
While Charlie isn't as annoying as he is boring, bland, empty, and repetitive.
Which is another type of annoying in and of itself, I guess. He has no personality! Or like, his personality is "Babe's Biggest Simp".
He's definitely not for everyone so I get not liking him, I just love characters with some moral... issues? Always have.
But this is why I'm pretty sure I reiterated thrice or so that 99% of my comment is subjective. I totally get disagreeing. It's just about which character you prefer more, and my favorite happens to be Way.
If someone never liked Way in the first place, then your arguments are easy to make. But I wrote my comment because I liked Charlie at first, and I WANT to like him, but the series is making it impossible.
I always like more dubious characters, and I think it actually helps that we don't know much about Way yet. Because if he did have more screentime, I'm sure it'd be as boring as what we've seen of Charlie so far.
I disagree that anyone had a wtf reaction. Except Way. They all just kinda took Babe's suggestion with less than a shrug.
I think his plan is absolutely stupid. Dean, North and Sonic have been with the team for so much longer, and the team would have a good grasp of their skills and what they're capable of.
Charlie is a blank wildcard. Only Babe knows what he could do because he literally personally trained him. All the others on the team have seen of Charlie is those times when he shakily drove around the track in Babe's car with Babe as his mentor.