I'm pretty disgusted with cancel culture. Ji Soo is a great actor and has been acting for many years, and suddenly…
I can't believe I am reading this. Are you serious? Are you blaming the victims that found the courage to come forward after all these years to share their pain, frustration and anger over their abuser instead of that POS who hurt and traumatized his school peers because now years have passed, he is a good actor and "definitely matured"? I suggest to do some self-reflection because this is not it. None of us knows all these actors/idols behind the flashing lights and make-up and some of them have been/are awful human beings. Bullying is not a mistake; it's a choice. If you recognize what you have done and really regret it, then apologize, change to a better person and move on. Victims have every right to bring down their abusers from their positions of power and influence. Stop defending abusers.
I was planning to watch this but well... It seems I am in the minority here judging from the comments so far. While I disagree with the toxicity of knetz (and I am totally against for malicious comments over the staff online; just accept the apology and move on ) I think it's more than that. The relationships between China-Korean-Japan are not very good and I have read some good reasoning online over why Korean viewers didn't like this drama. Yes, it's fiction but when it changes your history and adds elements of a nation you have bad relationship with, some of response will be a negative one. Not every nation/religion/culture will react the same way about how fictional stories write about their history, so it's a mute point. I will take a backseat here and say that there are stuff we can't understand since we are not Koreans living in South Korea, so we lacking lots of context in regards to their culture, history and relationship with China.
P.S.: The Netflic petition will not work. What makes you think that a SK drama, taking place in Korea, with Korean actors/actresses, speaking in Korean after it got cancelled because of a historic/cultural controversy will get back on Netflix for international audiences?
I also kind of feel like Park Jeong Je (Dong-sik's deer obsessed friend) might be the one who killed DS's sister…
That's why writing and execution of the reveal are so important in moments like this. We, the viewers, are highly suspecting Jeong Je and some of us are convinced that he is likely the murderer of Yoo Yeon. But the thing is that the characters inside the story are not suspecting him and think of JJ as someone who does a relatively good job, needs proper mental health and away from his mother. If our speculation is true, it won't be a surprise for us but for the characters. The execution can emotionally impact both if done right.
Both is good. I mean, if one of them were a girl, then I don't think we would need to question if their relationship could potentially develop into romance or there would be fans shipping them but since they are both men, it's bromance at best (at least that's what is on the script). Although, the dynamic between ML/FL and double MLs is vastly different, most of the crime series I have watched barely develop in the romance territory and for that I am glad lol
The last moment of EP10, I am devastated. The series hasn't disappointed me so far and if it continues with this quality, its definitely going down as one of my favourite shows ever.
The position is undermined by the fact that he did not spontaneously apologise to those he wronged. He only did…
You are totally right about it. It's obvious he is only doing this after being called out in public, because if he was more mature/genuine about it, he would have apologized and tried to make up to his victims long ago. There are parts on his letter I decided to not nitpick because they sound like excuses to me so I chose to go with an overall opinion that I want to believe he will be punished for what he did since he at least didn't deny it/hide behind his company. I will change the wording in my comment, thank you.
There are things in his letter that I don't like but I don't want to nitpick and rather focus to the whole statement:
Admitting his wrongdoings and the trauma he caused publicly rather than hiding behind his agency, is his first step to atone for his crimes. I am not admiring him for this, far from it, but at least he is being true to himself about it, he is not backing away from the responsibility of his horrible actions. The ideal would have been to apologize and make up to his victims long ago, before being called out in public, because it doesn't feel genuine right now.
Now, the ball is on the victims' side. It's up to them how they will go about it and whatever they choose to do, forgive him or not, go to the courts or not, we have no say in it and we should just accept their decision whether we like it or not. At the end, it's them who suffered under his abuse, so it's them who have the only right to judge him as they see fit.
Of course, as I have said before, the overall issue of kids/teens being cruel to their peers has deeper roots in parenting, society and schooling. It's not only SK that suffers from this; pretty much every country, conservative or progressive, have it's fair share of bullying and sexual assault accusations regarding famous people. I really wish, as we progress in our human nature and future, for these things to change and it's very sad that for things to change, for laws to protect people, we first need people to suffer or blood to be shed.
Last but not least, I hope he is genuinely reflecting on this and that his victims find some inner peace from now on. In my personal opinion, you can disagree/dislike it, forgiving is an act that requires both parties: the abuser and the abused. I know most people say "forgive and move on, you shouldn't continue the circle of hate" to find peace with yourself, but I respectfully disagree with this. For them it's always up to the victim to be the bigger person, to be the good one and let bygones be bygones. Of course if a victim feels that way, nothing wrong with it but I think society/peer pressure to not disturb the rest of us with your sadness/trauma, only makes things worse for the victims. You can move forward, without forgiving your abusers and still lead a good life but I think what most victims want is an apology, a genuine word and action that you have acknowledged the abuse you infected on them and try to atone: Catharsis for both of you.
1. Stop asking "Why now?" If you don't know the answer, try to be in the victim's shoes and let's see then how your empathy works
2. Children are immature and make mistakes We are talking about bullying here that can cause trauma to the victim, no excuse. Parenting, school and society are in the root of the problem though.
3. They are adults now, it's not fair for the victim to ruin their abusers career Do you even hear yourselves? The abuser rarely realizes or wants to admit that they abused someone after they "mature", so they try to move on and continue their lives like nothing happened while the victim continues to suffer.
Stop victim blaming people! Listen to the victims first and start questioning why the abuser never apologized beforehand and tried to atone instead of doing all the above. Victims can move forward too, with help and healing, but a part of them always stays back in those years that they suffered. Also, not everyone deals with their abuse the same: just because some victims could move on without saying anything about it, not wanting an apology the same is for someone who is the complete opposite.
"They shouldn't be judged over something they did in middle school, they were kids and people change" yes, but here we are not talking about smoking, leaving your room at night to meet your bf/gf, not attend class, drink alcohol etc. Here we are talking about abuse and the victim has to deal with it for years, going to therapy and never finding closure while the abuser "forgets", thinks of it as nothing and goes on with their life as a "changed" person.
Kids can be very cruel you know and the fact that they cause trauma to other kids their age, says a lot about the society and culture they grew up. If there is no punishment that fits their mental and emotional age, they will never learn what they did is so wrong and how to atone for the abuse they caused. The victims now are also adults who want to move on with their life, but seeing the face of their abuser loved by people, can trigger bad memories. Abusers rarely realize what they did is wrong unless they have really changed, are confronted by their victims and feel guilty about it. I am on the side that people can change positively but for that to happen, the abuser needs to face the consequences of their actions.
We should held people accountable, no matter their age, when abuse happens. Being a troubled kid gives you no right to harm someone else, but if you do, it's only fair you have to learn what you did is bad even growing up. If these celebrities only decided to confront their past, apologize to their victims before the news broke out and deal with it in private, then we wouldn't have the victims tell about their abuse in public. Sometimes, the past comes back to bite you at the height of your spotlight; karma is a b*tch.
I don't know if the allegations are true or not, time and evidence will tell BUT I am very concerned about some posts here. Bullying is a very sensitive issue and something that is usually covered under the rag in order to not ruin the school's reputation, "mind your business"- mentality and "they were just kids" defense. All these excuses just make it harder to believe the victims when they come forward and take more seriously the whole issue.
"X was a kid and immature" - Doesn't excuse anything. Why? Because the victim, who was also a kid, suffers mentally and emotionally for even years. Their self confidence can take a huge hit, they will turn on themselves, over-ridden with self hate and "I deserve this" feelings. Being a kid only protects you from harsher punishments and gives you a second chance, not taking away responsibilities.
"X has build a career over the years, it's unfair for someone to bring them down like that" - LMAO If the bully had realized their wrongdoings, apologized and continued with their life, it would be fine but it's obvious that they never did and think of their bullying years as something "fond" to look at in their memories. The victim/s have every right to bring down a person loved by fans; fans who are ready to deny every bad thing their oppa/unnie might have done because they are "angels".
Some of you really need to look beyond your idols: they are humans like the rest of us and some of them have a dark past or are still sh*tty people. Lights, make-up and glamour will never wash away the dirt; if anything they make the shadows grow stronger.
It was good! I enjoyed it for what it was and the mystery/suspense was done well. Tul was amazing, I liked his performance the most in the series. Although the emotional moments and the character's reactions to them were flat: they lacked the appropriate intensity while the acting/direction were mediocre in general.
Congrats to the wonderful cast and staff of "Cherry Magic"! They deserve all the love and recognition they are getting <3 (the critics can suck it up, times are changing). I am not sure how to feel about the event, mostly bc I know what Thai BL events with the actors include, so I hope it's mild in the aspect of fanservice and both actors and fans have a nice time :)
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It seems I am in the minority here judging from the comments so far. While I disagree with the toxicity of knetz (and I am totally against for malicious comments over the staff online; just accept the apology and move on ) I think it's more than that. The relationships between China-Korean-Japan are not very good and I have read some good reasoning online over why Korean viewers didn't like this drama. Yes, it's fiction but when it changes your history and adds elements of a nation you have bad relationship with, some of response will be a negative one. Not every nation/religion/culture will react the same way about how fictional stories write about their history, so it's a mute point. I will take a backseat here and say that there are stuff we can't understand since we are not Koreans living in South Korea, so we lacking lots of context in regards to their culture, history and relationship with China.
P.S.: The Netflic petition will not work. What makes you think that a SK drama, taking place in Korea, with Korean actors/actresses, speaking in Korean after it got cancelled because of a historic/cultural controversy will get back on Netflix for international audiences?
Admitting his wrongdoings and the trauma he caused publicly rather than hiding behind his agency, is his first step to atone for his crimes. I am not admiring him for this, far from it, but at least he is being true to himself about it, he is not backing away from the responsibility of his horrible actions. The ideal would have been to apologize and make up to his victims long ago, before being called out in public, because it doesn't feel genuine right now.
Now, the ball is on the victims' side. It's up to them how they will go about it and whatever they choose to do, forgive him or not, go to the courts or not, we have no say in it and we should just accept their decision whether we like it or not. At the end, it's them who suffered under his abuse, so it's them who have the only right to judge him as they see fit.
Of course, as I have said before, the overall issue of kids/teens being cruel to their peers has deeper roots in parenting, society and schooling. It's not only SK that suffers from this; pretty much every country, conservative or progressive, have it's fair share of bullying and sexual assault accusations regarding famous people. I really wish, as we progress in our human nature and future, for these things to change and it's very sad that for things to change, for laws to protect people, we first need people to suffer or blood to be shed.
Last but not least, I hope he is genuinely reflecting on this and that his victims find some inner peace from now on. In my personal opinion, you can disagree/dislike it, forgiving is an act that requires both parties: the abuser and the abused. I know most people say "forgive and move on, you shouldn't continue the circle of hate" to find peace with yourself, but I respectfully disagree with this. For them it's always up to the victim to be the bigger person, to be the good one and let bygones be bygones. Of course if a victim feels that way, nothing wrong with it but I think society/peer pressure to not disturb the rest of us with your sadness/trauma, only makes things worse for the victims. You can move forward, without forgiving your abusers and still lead a good life but I think what most victims want is an apology, a genuine word and action that you have acknowledged the abuse you infected on them and try to atone: Catharsis for both of you.
1. Stop asking "Why now?"
If you don't know the answer, try to be in the victim's shoes and let's see then how your empathy works
2. Children are immature and make mistakes
We are talking about bullying here that can cause trauma to the victim, no excuse. Parenting, school and society are in the root of the problem though.
3. They are adults now, it's not fair for the victim to ruin their abusers career
Do you even hear yourselves? The abuser rarely realizes or wants to admit that they abused someone after they "mature", so they try to move on and continue their lives like nothing happened while the victim continues to suffer.
Stop victim blaming people! Listen to the victims first and start questioning why the abuser never apologized beforehand and tried to atone instead of doing all the above. Victims can move forward too, with help and healing, but a part of them always stays back in those years that they suffered. Also, not everyone deals with their abuse the same: just because some victims could move on without saying anything about it, not wanting an apology the same is for someone who is the complete opposite.
Kids can be very cruel you know and the fact that they cause trauma to other kids their age, says a lot about the society and culture they grew up. If there is no punishment that fits their mental and emotional age, they will never learn what they did is so wrong and how to atone for the abuse they caused. The victims now are also adults who want to move on with their life, but seeing the face of their abuser loved by people, can trigger bad memories. Abusers rarely realize what they did is wrong unless they have really changed, are confronted by their victims and feel guilty about it. I am on the side that people can change positively but for that to happen, the abuser needs to face the consequences of their actions.
We should held people accountable, no matter their age, when abuse happens. Being a troubled kid gives you no right to harm someone else, but if you do, it's only fair you have to learn what you did is bad even growing up. If these celebrities only decided to confront their past, apologize to their victims before the news broke out and deal with it in private, then we wouldn't have the victims tell about their abuse in public. Sometimes, the past comes back to bite you at the height of your spotlight; karma is a b*tch.
"X was a kid and immature" - Doesn't excuse anything. Why? Because the victim, who was also a kid, suffers mentally and emotionally for even years. Their self confidence can take a huge hit, they will turn on themselves, over-ridden with self hate and "I deserve this" feelings. Being a kid only protects you from harsher punishments and gives you a second chance, not taking away responsibilities.
"X has build a career over the years, it's unfair for someone to bring them down like that" - LMAO If the bully had realized their wrongdoings, apologized and continued with their life, it would be fine but it's obvious that they never did and think of their bullying years as something "fond" to look at in their memories. The victim/s have every right to bring down a person loved by fans; fans who are ready to deny every bad thing their oppa/unnie might have done because they are "angels".
Some of you really need to look beyond your idols: they are humans like the rest of us and some of them have a dark past or are still sh*tty people. Lights, make-up and glamour will never wash away the dirt; if anything they make the shadows grow stronger.