mmansaray35

Lol you know how most cdramas watchers get: ML should always be innocent, one dimensional, no doing "bad things" to be considered heroic. FL should be demure, never bitter, accept everything and go with the flow, to be considered "good enough"

The moment any of these characters act outside of what they think is the "norm," these viewers lose their minds and forget the whole premise/plot point of a show.

People project of what should have happened instead of watching what is given to us on screen. Same thing happened with a recent show that shall not be named... *cough cough... TPR...* That show bastardized the ML character, made him one dimensional with no major character development, pushed the SML character to the forefront, showed many romantic scenes btw FL and SML and all the while viewers VEHEMENTLY denied that FL was in love with SML. Eeventhough the show made it clear FL was indeed in love with SML based on how it was shown.

I get it that we all get attached to characters and project our feelings on them (I do it too.) But, at the end of the day, what we are shown on screen is how the writers want it to be viewed. Not how we wished it was.

Yes, that's part of it. But in her journey to get revenge for her "family" (brothers) she had to go back to her old ways as the leader of the rebellion. And as such, she also lied, deceived and stabbed ML to get her revenge on him.

I'm not faulting her for this cause she's in her right to be that way. And really, her going back to her old ways is really who she is. It makes sense for the plot.

I just want viewers to stop pretending like she was an innocent bystander picked up off the street to be used, and not a rebeller who had committed numerous crimes...

Most people are blaming ML and forgetting FL is not innocent in all this. They are BOTH morally gray people and we should accept them for who they are.

I am excited to see how her revenge on the Prince will play out

I'm glad you brought up morals. Is her lying, deceiving, plotting against, and eventually stabbing the ML morally okay? NO. So why aren't you bringing that up?

But that's just the way it happened. Both of them are right in their own way. And dealt with the situation how they saw fit. I have no disagreement with how either of them dealt with things for the good of their life's mission

I'm not trying to change your mind. But I just want yall to stop pretending like FL is/was an innocent bystander.

BOTH OF THEM ARE MORALLY WRONG. That's just who their characters are.

Before episodes 24 and 25 premieres, I just want to point out some things, cause I think emotions are running high and some viewers are forgetting the whole premise of the show: A bandit leader plotting rebellion versus a lord trying to stop it all.

I think because of the romance, people are forgetting 2 MAJOR plot points of this drama. Please bear with me cause this is long:

1. ML did NOT intentionally set out to deceive FL. THEY WERE ENEMIES AT WAR. She was the one who mistook him as her husband. So of course he saw that as an opportunity to use her and get information out of her that will help him deal with the rebellion to safeguard his country. His consequences came back to get him. EVERY ACTION HAS A REACTION...

2: FL is NOT an innocent picked up off the street and used. It was because of her past actions that led to her current predicaments. She was the leader of a rebellion. (But known as a favorite concubine). She used this disguise and committed numerous crimes against the state that would have eventually led to capital punishment for her whole clan. It did lead to her death once. Her consequences came back to get her. EVERY ACTION HAS A REACTION...

Was ML lying about their marriage and using her (for the first 8 episodes) a bad thing? ABSOLUTELY. Cause she was in an impaired state of mind.

Is her lying, plotting against him, and eventually stabbing him as a form of revenge (to cut ties from their love) when she gained her memories makes sense? YES. She felt hurt and felt betrayed.

They are two people with the weight of responsibilities on their shoulders. And they make decisions based on those responsibilities. Hurt people hurt people. That's just the way of life.

Did ML fall in love in the middle of all this? yes. But that doesn't mean he should put aside years of planning and the stake of his country just because he fell in love with the enemy. Now THAT, wouldn't be realistic at all.

When LMT gained her memories, did she put aside her years of rebellion just cause she loved the ML? NO, she went right back to her old ways, cause that's just who she is. And that's realistic.

I'm not taking sides, I just want us to look at the show from all sides and not just from a hurt female perspective. In life, all of our decisions have consequences. Whether good or bad, only time will tell. Both of their decisions have come back to haunt them.

They are BOTH morally gray people and we should accept them for who they are. So we just gotta wait and see how it goes from here...

No, just cause she was known as a concubine does not mean she should be considered innocent. How many cdramas have you watched? Don't you know that in ancient China, whatever the man does falls on his whole family? The whole clan gets executed?

The MAIN reason why she was even used was exactly because she was considered a "favorite" concubine. Otherwise, she would have been left for dead and not saved by ML. Cause in the eyes of the law, she deserves it.

Please look at the whole picture of the show and not just the "romance" part.

Thank you!!! I have been really patient trying to explain to this person, trying to get them to see see everything from all sides. But they are stuck in their own version of things and firmly refusing any other logical explanation.

Like I'm not even taking sides cause I understand both parties. But I don't exactly understand what this person expected the ML to do? THEY WERE ENEMIES AT WAR. They didn't know eachother and the ML was fighting for his country against her rebellion. So of course he had to use any means necessary to gather information.

It would be very childish if he instantly gave up all his years of fighting, planning and protecting his country just cause he fell in love with the enemy. Like really these viewers expected him to give up everything and act like he and FL are not enemies on opposite sides just cause she lost her memories? Sigh...

She has taken her revenge by stabbing him. That should be the end of that. But she shouldn't be portrayed by viewers as this innocent person...

Ma'am, I think you are mistaking this drama for what it's not. The romance plot is making you forget the whole premise of the show.: A bandit plotting rebellion versus a lord trying to stop it all. THEY WERE ENEMIES AT WAR

Not once in this drama did the ML portray himself as a "good Samaritan" He knowingly used the FL cause they were enemies. ENEMIES fighting on different sides. So of course lying to her to get information was FAIR GAME.

You saying FL was used, yes. But was she an innocent picked up off the street and used? NO. It was because of her past actions that led to her current predicaments. Her consequences came back to get her. EVERY ACTION HAS A REACTION...

She could have been left for dead. I mean, let's think about it logically, who resucues their enemy from death, pays top money to heal them and let them live a carefree life just because?? In the grand scheme of things, of course the ML did all this to extract info for the good of his country.

Did he fall in love in the middle of all this? yes. But that doesn't mean he should put aside years of planning and the stake of his country just because he fell in love with the enemy. Now THAT, wouldn't be realistic at all. (Lol this is not Romeo and Juliet)

All is fair in love and war. She ambushed him, stabbed him to take her revenge. That should be the end of that. At the end of the day, they both got what's coming to them.

Lol I agree with every point you made, so don't worry, you are not getting any arguments from me here.

The episodes where she gained her memories were hard for me to watch cause I think writers went a little overboard with trying to portray her as smart. But then again, the current LMT is who she has always been. She was a rebellion leader who was merciless, easily used, and impulsive(based on how she breaked the truce without finding out fact)

So while I don't agree with how it all played out, I understand why the writers wrote it that way. It's just the way her character is and it seems the writers just wanted to remind us that the "loving" wife is not really who she is. (also, don't forget, they write for a particular audience. Have to make ML the bad guy and FL hurt. Lol).

So for me, the way I see it, it's too late to cry over spilled milk. What's done is done. Moving forward, I hope her already taking that revenge is the end of it. And the writers won't spend time dragging it out.

You are right, he could have told her at any moment and he didn't. That was wrong. He's paying for that now. BUT her past has EVERYTHING to do with this. The whole premise of ML deceit is that he thought she was the concubine of the rebellion's leader. So of course, using her for information was seen as fair game.

But don't forget, he didn't intentionally set out to deceive her. SHE was the one who mistook him as her husband, so he saw it as a " good thing" and went with it to get needed information.

At first, he used her as bait (the first 8 episodes) But once he realized he had lost to Ziyu, he wasn't motivated anymore to use her. By then he has already started loving her and didn't know how to tell the truth.

Every emotion he showed to the FL after he "lost" to Ziyu was a real emotion. Did he continue to pretend they were married? yes, but he didn't "use" her anymore for any schemes. At no point did ML force her to do anything she didn't wanted to do. He had intended to just keep her at that house with little to no interaction. She was the one who forced the loving couple intimacy at every point. (Not saying that's bad). Just pointing out the facts.

He lied, she stabbed him. They hurt eachother. What's done is done.

I just don't think people should be acting like he's this despicable person but give the FL lead a pass for her actions, all because she feels wronged.

Again, every action has a reaction. Both of their pasts has come to haunt them.

You are absolutely right, cdramas directors take the cliché routes cause they know majority of thier audiences like it and are expecting it. While clichés can be a good thing, it's being too OVERUSED In cdramas and causing lack of creativity. They turn good shows into unwatchable mess. Hope this show don't go down that road.

I also, I've said this before, I think it all stems from the fake "purity" culture. Characters are not allowed to be "not good" and have more than one side. They need to be all good to be considered the perfect hero. At the end of the day, they are not making shows for us international viewers. They are making it for thier viewers in China. And these clichés is what they think the majority of the audience wants. So they do it.

But I can't really blame the directors cause that's what sells and at the end of the day, when it comes down to it, it's all business. Money talks, sadly.

That song seems like "Hush" by The Marias.

I do agree about it being too fast paced. It feels like everything is happening at once and there's no time for viewers to digest a scene before something else immediately happens. I'm getting whiplash.

You are definitely right, they need a breather between scenes. There needs to be a balance between fast pace and boring. Lol. They need to let things settle down and gives viewers chance to take in a scene and digest it.

All things considered though, I am enjoying the plot so far!

I agree and disagree with your comment. I agree he lied to her for personal reasons (not really personal, since FL is an enemy of the state and causing rebellion). And he was doing it for information to quell a rebellion.

However, may I please know, while he was faking to be her husband, what despicable thing did he do? What do you mean by this?

Are we really forgetting that FL is a traitor and enemy of the state? She is the actual leader of a rebellion, not just some side character in it. THE LEADER... Are we really just going to gloss over all this fact, not fault her for her actions? But applaud her cause she feels wronged?

In my view, every action has a reaction. The bandit life LMT led led to her being left for dead (ending up as a pawn). ML heavy responsibilities led to him making certain bad decisions. They BOTH made wrong decisions in life. And now the consequences have come knocking.

But I don't think the ML is so "despicable" as you stated. So again, I ask you, other than letting her believe they are married, in your eyes, what despicable thing did the ML do to the FL? How should he have handled it?

Finally caught up with all episodes and I gotta say, I love reading everyone's comments about the fued between LMT and CXZ. Lol people supporting ML and others FL. It's quite interesting reading all the comments.

I'm not really going to take sides, since I know they both have reasons for doing what they did. In this life, every action has a reaction. LMT/Lu Wen living a bandit life led to her ending up the way she did (left for dead). XCZ carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders led to him making those decisions. They both deceived eachother, but also truly loved eachother. Now that the secret is out in the open, let's see where they go from here... Again, in life, every action has a reaction. And it seems for both of them, the chicken has come home to roost. lol.

All I gotta say is, these two actors are DEFINITELY acting. I'm truly enjoying how they are portraying their characters. You feel the emotional depth they both bring to their characters. That waterfall scene was done quite well.

I just hope their "fight" against eachother is not dragged out too long that it becomes unbearable (May the gods of c-drama writers land take pity on us and don't let the writers screw this show up). I would absolutely love to see them working together as one.

PS: The actor playing Ziyu is always playing such pathetic characters. He irked me so bad in AJTL that every time he's on screen in this show, I skip his scenes. Lol looks like he's being foolish in this show too😭

Lol me too, I am still annoyed with SML from AJTL so I also skipp his scenes 😂😂

Lol you know "fake purity" c-drama watchers... In their eyes, a character can only be awesome if he accepts all the bad things, don't complain, or retaliate. The moment the character doesn't follow the "norm" of their expectations, all hell breaks lose. 😂

And their judgment is even worse if the character is female😭

I'm actually wondering how his character is coming off to viewers in mainland China🤔

Lol I love the TPR mention here. That show PISSED me off with how the ML was treated... let's hope this ML in this show is treated better. Sigh...

Lol I'm sick of him and these roles. He pissed me off too bad in AJTL that I really couldn't care less about his character here😭

Suprise, surprise he's playing he same character here💀

But doesn't that make people lose interest?? They are so annoying 😭😭

I literally just got a ping from Tencent saying "Everyone is watching Prisoner of Beauty" I quickly opened the Tencent app, only to be directed to a trailer of the show???

Oh Tencent, you must pay for your crimes!!... messing with our feelings like this?? Them liars at Tencent will pay for their crimes!!!😩😩😒😒