monstersnroses

Calm is good.

Ive been there when other things like this have happened, where you find a bunch of evidence, and as soon as social media starts becoming aware of that evidence, it starts POUF dissappearing. Always archive everything the second you see it, because you just never know.

How bout we just strive to not jump to ANY conclusions and keep an open but vigilant mind, and just DIG MOAR.

I mean what if he DOESNT deserve compassion? I don't even know that much yet.

I don't participate in social media, so I'd need specific links, if possible.

And before anyone gets down my throat about not having social media, it's because I have a psychotic dangerous stalker-ex who was so abusive I have a permanent lifetime restraining order against him and so I CANT. Please don't treat me like a second-class citizen over it. Just if there were links to sources, I would be much obliged.

"Go on twitter" is not very helpful for me unfortunately.

Dude, as creepy as you or I may think it is, a fairly large segment of the global population worships as a holy figure, a certain person by the name of Muhummad, who consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was NINE.

So... the religion of Islam... creepy or no?

I mean I think it's creepy. But my point is just that there are many many many cultures and traditions around the world where this type of shit isn't viewed as creepy, it's just viewed as like 'well yeah, AND...?'

If there's any kind smart soul out there who could provide some info, I would be most grateful:

Bullet list of CONCRETE evidence against him, with sources when possible.....
....followed by......
Second list of CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence against him, with sources when possible.

Also, for anyone who's following this story, I hear shit's been scrubbed right and left from the interwebs, so just remember to ARCHIVE EVERYTHING. Screenshot everything. You never know what's going to get yanked next. One minute it's there, the next minute it's gone.

Source?

Unless the first thing that happened when this story broke, is the legal department called the PR department and said "Don't say anything to anyone until Legal gets this sorted out first."

As far as i'm concerned, I'm not even convinced that she did suicide. One of the favorite ways for TPTB to dissappear someone is to "suicide" them. SKorea has the highest suicide rate in the world. That would make it so that if you call it a "suicide" people probably won't even question it because hey, it happens all the time.

She could have gotten too close to the truth of something that industry big-wigs didn't want her to talk about. Those same people could have done it on KSH's birthday as a warning to him to keep his mouth shut about something he knows too much about.

Honestly, I don't think there's enough facts to go on to know anything at all.

This is an industry that all they do is make up stories, and then make those stories seem real. If they can do it in a show, they can do it in RL. Some people never think that they can be fooled into believing a fiction, by an industry that creates fiction for a living!

The "Halo effect" is real.

How to find patterns of abuse in the entertainment industry:

Start with a known abuse victim. Look at their entire career, and pay close attention to:
1) their first roles,
2) any roles where the set had other rumors of abuse,
3) any role involving multiple child actors where the other child actors grew up troubled and/or suddenly dropped out of the industry and never acted again,
4) the show that gave the actor/actress their first "big break" that catapulted them into another level of fame.

Take note of all the producers, casting directors, and writers for those shows. Then follow those people's careers (the producers, casting directors, and writers). Was any of their producers or writers, ever employed on another set where abuse is suspected to occur? Did the casting director(s) ever cast for other shows where there was abuse or suspected abuse?

You can also follow directors, however on the set of a show, it is the producers and writers who have the most free time on a set to groom or abuse children, whereas the directors - while they can sometimes be perpetrators - are often too busy actually directing the drama to f*ck around with the kids. There are plenty of stories where the set was abusive, and the director knew nothing because surprisingly, he's not always "in the loop". Tutors and agents are known to groom children for abuse as well, but it can be a big challenge to find out who on-set tutors and child agents are, because they don't get credit listings.

This way of examining shows often reveals extremely suspicious patterns. I use this pattern to find probable predators in H-wood, but I don't know how well it works with SKorean industry. Number one, imdb for H-wood is a really good resource because they list FULL CREDITS. I often can't find a complete and exhaustive credits list for Korean shows.

While other actors/costars can sometimes be the perpetrator of abuse, it's not a good method for finding PATTERNS of abuse for a few reasons... one, the actor is ALMOST (not always but almost) never the first person to perpetrate grooming or abuse, but rather the child who is already being groomed is passed onto the actor from someone else (there are exceptions of course). And two, sometimes you have a known abuse victim dating an actor for a long time, and it's because the actor knows she is being trafficked and abused by the industry, and falls in love with her and wants to "protect" her, or save her from the abuse. Which never works out in part because actors don't carry as much power and clout in the industry as producers and the extremely wealthy patrons of that abuse, and if at any time the powers that be want to take that victim back and pass her to someone else, there's usually very little the actor can do about it.

But not to minimalize the role an actor can sometimes play in abuse, just look at Rob Hold Er Tighter Shes A Fighter Schneider. He started out as an actor abusing fellow child actresses, but then became a producer precisely so he would have more power and free time on-set to abuse victims. Or Marilyn Manson, who tried to 'rescue' Rose McGowan from the absuive industry, but when he discovered he couldn't he gave up, and now he is an abuser himself. Or Anthony Bourdain, who tried to save the girl he loved from abuse (ironic since he was perpetuating that abuse just by being with her, but that's another story) and ended up dead for it.

You also gotta think that since SKorea is rife with suicide.... that makes "suiciding" someone to keep them quiet a pretty easy thing to do, since no one will question a cause of death being "suicide".

The entertainment industry is one of the biggest attractors of child predators in the world. It happens all the time, and the code of secrecy they are all under prevents them from being able to get help from anyone. In H-wood these people have their own thugs and hit men specifically to keep these secrets buried. Nothing is ever what it seems.

ARCHIVE EVERYTHING

The Victor Ma thought police are on the case.

You seem to be talking an awful lot about Victor Ma.

I usually think ost's and soundtracks are just generally bad, and sometimes I even mute a show if the dubbing or music is terrible. But this one was fekkin BRILLIANT. Everything matched the scene so perfectly, imo.

That is so interesting, tysm. I've also been hiding under a rock, because I didn't know that about Lusi, and it makes me so sad to hear.

U mad bro?

I loved it, I gave it an 8.5, but that's not good enough for you. I have committed wrongthink. It is time for my struggle session.

I don't think it was depressing, but it was heavy. The subject matter is heavy. I think if they'd lightened it up with more humor, it would have disrespected/trivialized the story and the vibe that the director, actors, and music composers have achieved. The level of humor was just right. The lowkey and understated way they placed it matched the tone of the drama really well.

see, you just compared them! :P

well at least somebody gets it... :P