moonfolk

"LOL" is the expression because I find it funny, not mocking my debate opponent. But since you pointed it, I realize that it can make misunderstanding because other people also use it as a mockery. Thanks for your input :)

EDIT: I already edited my comment and deleted all of the "LOL" ;)

Wow what a comment. You even try to twist my words forcingly even after said that I am neutral about Yong Woo. Maybe I need to be more clear, I am not his fan BUT I am also NOT his hater. The reason why I kept commenting that looked as if I was trying to defend Yong Woo was because I saw everything differently from what the bashings and wonder why they're thinking like that. I am watching it coolheadedly and neutrally but that didn't mean that I didn't furrow my brows seeing the comments. I was trying to find someone else that is also watching it coolheadedly so I can discuss or even debate about what we watch and our POVs even if we're different. Only one commenter though that can argue coolheadedly and accept and understand my point. They also point something that I have to admit and agree with them, the explanation is clear and not emotional or made with assumption but only of the matter of fact from what the show showed in the scenes.

As you admit yourself that you're investing in emotions so you won't see it coolheadedly. The general reaction also that I got from emotional replies. Their replies were mostly talking about their assumptions while I just said what I saw in the scenes. As I watched it without attachment except for Ju Yeon. You even insisting and forcing me that I am not neutral and coolheaded. Well, the only time that maybe I wasn't neutral and coolheaded was that conversation between Ju Yeon and Jae Hyung. Just because you watched it and investing emotionally that doesn't mean that I have to do the same thing. I only give my opinion and it's up to you whether you will take it or not. I prefer to keep neutral and coolheaded until the end scene of final episode and then sort what is my opinion on them after that.

And no, the show can't project someone else's thinking. Yes they already know what happened completely, but what they showed can be misleading as they made the story. What if they showed that it's as if Yong Woo was into Jiwon but later turned out it's not true? Bash him AFTER that really happened in later episode as it's a matter of fact evidence clearly shown in the scene, not bashing him BEFORE the evidence is in front of you just based on your assumption. Korean Heart Signal S2 already proved it misleading the viewers. Be coolheaded and neutral, but as you admit yeah you can't, or more precisely you don't want. I can't force you though as it's your right. But in some way, what you did remind me of Yong Woo ironically because he also wanted excitement just like you but getting bashed because of it.

Jae Hyung was telling the truth, yes, but his manner was rude and his words were inconsiderate. Yong Woo also was telling the truth to Choa but you saw him as lying even said that it's rude to make declaration/confirmation in front of everyone. So seems you prefer him to act like Jae Hyung with rude and harsh words seeing how you defended Jae Hyung. I have no problem if that's what you want. But why did you say that Yong Woo was rude saying the confirmation in front of everyone when he's telling the truth? You said that you prefer one strong punch but when Yong Woo did that "one strong punch" you said that he's rude but Jae Hyung not? Writing this till here suddenly makes me realize that I will never have an argument or debate which is neutral and coolheaded with you, so I decide to stop here and won't bother to explain it about the other things that you said because you also already said that you're emotional and I already see your double standard.

Just think as you wish that I am not neutral, not coolheaded, or hypocrite. I won't bother to explain myself anymore because I suddenly realize now that it's only a waste of my time. You won't change your mind and I won't change my mind because our argument is going nowhere and even now I got accusations. Have a nice day.

I am neutral about Yong Woo, not a fan of him, not a fan of Choa also, so I can see all of it coolheadedly about him and his actions. What? You want him to talk to or ask Choa with her way? But you can understand how Jae Hyung talked to Ju Yeon with different style of communication as an excuse? What a double standard LOL.

Choa said "another talk?" not because she didn't understand. If she didn't understand then she would ask "what do you mean?" Instead she understood right away what Yong Woo meant and that's why she said "another talk?" with a smile because that's also what she wanted.

Choa asked "do you know how to make kimchi fried rice?" not because to check sincerity or not, but because she just knew from Cheol Hyeon after she confirmed it with him who sent her a text that night so she finally knew that Yong Woo actually sent her a text that night. She made assumption that he didn't send her a text because she thought that the content was unlike what he usually sent to her. So she tried to open a conversation with that question. To give hint to Yong Woo that she finally knew that he sent her that text and also because of her curiosity whether Yong Woo could make kimchi. Because she had no reaction to Yong Woo after he sent that text and so hinted that she didn't know who sent that text. That text was sent based on Choa's condition that night as Yong Woo already explained in the interview. Even if he really couldn't make kimchi fried rice, he could ask Yoon Jae's help to teach him how, if Choa asked him to make it. That's in his answer to Choa "no I can't, but I want to learn how later". But you made it as if Choa was a malicious and insecure woman trying to test his sincerity. You made her as if she's not sincere with everything she talked with Yong Woo and always wanted to test him.

She said that the moment of conversation felt cruel because she still had feelings for Yong Woo and wanted to continue but Yong Woo wanted the opposite. So you think that just because Ju Yeon didn't say it then she didn't feel that it's cruel for Jae Hyung to talk to her like that? Choa still could compose herself after the conversation but Ju Yeon even needed a booze to calm herself.

And yes, it's a public business because everyone already saw him and Choa as official so he wanted to clear the misunderstanding. While they're not together anymore at that moment, so you want him to hide it and acted as if nothing happened and they're still together? To block Choa's prospect if she still had another chance with other people? (and also his if he's interested in other later) Not telling it in front of everyone would only make everyone made wild guesses or even in the dark at all. Even after he told about it in front of everyone, Jae Hyung still asked him and the others talked behind him in disbelief. Precisely because they only had a few days left and that he felt he needed to tell everything to Choa quickly. For her benefit so she wouldn't stuck with him while he had already changed. But you spatted it like he was lying. If it's like you said then he could just keep Choa in the dark and approach someone else. In my view, Choa was flustered, it's not a pure anger face, because she still wanted to continue but Yong Woo totally closed it off at that moment. Yes, she could be angry also because she felt that it's unfair for her and she said it once also in the interview, but she's the receiving end one so it's a normal reaction, while you as viewer should see it more clearly coolheadedly. But oh well, you already said it yourself that you're a Choa's fan.

Her reaction when she talked with her brother was her normal usual reaction when talking with him. She usually nodded her head as if she agreed with what her brother said. What I saw from that scene was her disappointment because Yong Woo wanted excitement, not she's been made into a "fool" and a "clown". If she felt/thought that he was lying like what you insist then she would not insist in trying to get back together. Choa that said that it felt cruel even said herself that she hoped that it's only temporary so she could go back together with Yong Woo.

You keep saying that he was interested in someone else while we didn't see him approach someone until now. Just because he said that Jiwon's way of thinking was similar as him that he felt as if he looked at a female version of him, and the PD's editing by mixing current scene with his dates with Jiwon and a cut of his interview after that date to make it as if he's thinking about Jiwon and what she said about fate when he saw the plushie to make a story, you took it 100% without a grain of salt. So this show can project someone else's thinking? A supernatural show?

And you latched quickly to my words about maybe I was blinded in Ju Yeon and Jae Hyung's case but you didn't want to admit that you were blinded in Choa and Yong Woo's case. If you can really understand Jae Hyung when talking to Ju Yeon as you said, then you should also understand Yong Woo. They're in the same situation of rejecting someone. Yong Woo tried to soften what he said but you said he's lying while Jae Hyung said it bluntly without consideration but it's normal? You said "he's uncomfortable, he knows he has to say things that will hurt her and is uncomfortable doing that" but knowing that he still did what he did? Ju Yeon already explained why she asked because at the beginning it seems that Jae Hyung reciprocated her feelings. He could explain it kindly, looked at Ju Yeon, explained it slowly and clearly with consideration. But no, he just talked about it harshly and with crumpled face not looking at her. That's what that you should say RUDE. Ju Yeon only wanted a closure but she was treated that rudely. Telling the full truth can be done in a good manner. Don't make it as if telling truth must be done rudely and harshly without good manner and that gentle manner means lying. Ju Yeon was not stupid that she couldn't understand a kind explanation. So you indirectly said that Yong Woo was comfortable when he talked to Choa about not wanting with her anymore, and even comfortably lying to her? Yong Woo also already made his stance clear even twice. But Choa liked to make assumption, even after what Yong Woo already explained to her, and gave herself a false hope, but the blame was on Yong Woo? And you're not blinded? He already said that it's just a literal thank you blabbering about how he ate the peaches but Choa couldn't help making an assumption like her habit. Because she still hoped for them to be together again. I said that I maybe was blinded because I can understand Yong Woo but getting angry at Jae Hyung. But you said that you can understand Jae Hyung but also bashing Yong Woo and did not admit that you're blinded? I am speechless.

What I said was based on what I understand about Yong Woo until EP 14. You are the viewer, not a participant and especially not the receiving end participant, so you should see it more clearly and coolheadedly. And this is an edited show that followed whatever story the PD wanted, they want to make dramas to get high rating and they need villain, so take everything with a grain of salt. She's the ex PD of EXchange so maybe she consciously or unconsciously made it the EXchange style. First she used Jung Sub and it succeeded as people were raging in the comments. But then it cooled down because everyone already took it as normal happening considering it's Jung Sub, then she used Yong Woo next and it also succeeded spectacularly. Maybe the next one will be Jiwon? I saw that the editing of when she talked alone with Jae Hyung in the balcony was cut uncleanly. It's very clear that their conversation in the middle was cut so we only saw the beginning and the end of the conversation. Also the preview of Jiwon and Yong Woo together and that Jae Hyung was sulking. The person that you dislike/hate/bash can be actually not as what the show and PD showed in the story, it's full of editing. They're not fictional characters in a drama.

By your logic, can I say that your essay is also pure bs?

- (This day was the best day I had during my stay in this show (during sg trip))
It's true though that he has feelings for Choa from day one until the beginning of their first date in SG. He began to change starting from the middle of their first date.

- (It's choa or none : earlier this morning he brought the plushie that he won with jiwon and thought it was fate lmaaaaao he is always hovering over jw even going to yj room and staying there as an invited guest for an unnecessary time which made everyone uncomfortable)
It's the PD's editing that showed as if he's thinking about Jiwon and fate, and you took it without thinking? Do you forget that this is an edited show that followed whatever story the PD wanted? He just came to talk to YJ and coincidentally JW was there. JH was the one that was hovering over JW. And it's your opinion that everyone was uncomfortable. I don't think so. Well, maybe JH if he wanted to monopolize JW so they could be alone only two together.

- (He texts choa even tho he could have chosen none or sent his text to jw but no he just wants his screentime and fame which is what matters to him the most by the way so he confuses her again)
He texted Choa to thank her just like he texted Yoon Ha the day before. Why should he text JW? He didn't approach her, at least until now. Yong Woo already made his stance clear twice. But Choa liked to make assumption as we saw a few times already so she's the one that confused herself.

- (She asks him if he will not have a change of heart and he said I don't know?!? What do you mean I don't know?! When he said in front of everyone in the most disrespectful way that he is now neutral and has supposedly no attraction to anyone lmao)
He said "I don't know" because that's what he felt. He already said that it's Choa or none, so whether in the rest days whether he would somehow attracted enough to approach Choa again or whether he would stay with "none" or even trying to approach someone else, he would never know. He's not a psychist that know the future. He said he's now neutral in front of everyone because everyone already saw him and Choa as official. He wanted to clear this misunderstanding and maybe also to give someone an opportunity to approach Choa if they're interested so Choa had more options if there was any. Most disrespectful way? You should see how Jae Hyung talked to Ju Yeon.

I finished my replies to all of your replies. I won't bother you anymore and I also hope that you won't bother me anymore.

Those are not excuses but what I saw in the show. Seems you're an ultimate Yong Woo hater that you can't see it coolheadedly, even trying to stop me from voicing my opinion or disagreement.

I am still neutral until now so I take everything with a grain of salt, until the final episode come, not only about Yong Woo but everyone else including Jae Hyung that I dislike after watching EP 14. Who knows if I will change my mind about Yong Woo later. Or maybe not?

Since you also seems to hate me seeing from all of your replies, for your convenience, I won't bother to comment below your comment after I replied to all of your comment. You can bash Yong Woo to your heart's content, I won't disturb you anymore.

I am also not making/writing something though, my friend, so let's agree to disagree since we can't have agreement.

I won't refute it because what you said is true, it had a domino effect.

I hope that you'll find enjoyment when watching the Chinese dating shows :) Especially recommended are Chinese Heart Signal S2 and S6.

He somehow took the role of "catfish" in this show. not YJ that came later. But how can he's in the wrong? He didn't approach any of them except Choa until now. Other people's wavered hearts were because of they're attracted to him, not like he's trying to get their hearts.

BTW, if you don't mind to try, if you want a lighthearted/heartwarming watch of dating show, try Chinese dating shows. Never ever expect it from Korean ones.

My friend, I watched it again as you suggested but I saw different things from what you saw. He never blamed Choa for the reason. He only mentioned that he noticed their differences. Choa asked him if they could make adjustment for their differences. Yong Woo told her about the attraction that didn't grow stronger/bigger and the reason why. He mostly talked about himself and never blame Choa. He even explicitly said "I don't think it's your fault. This situation simply came from my thoughts." that implied the problem lied with him, not her.

And I didn't find he said or implied that "I don't like you because you don't communicate with others". Maybe your hate/dislike towards him somehow blurred your memory, my friend.

If you're looking for "no drama" dating show, then I will recommend you to watch Chinese dating shows. They're heartwarming and have less dramas, also have more lasting couples than the Korean ones. One of them even married already.

I agree with you. What I like about her is that she didn't just make assumption from what she heard, but also tried to confirm it, even not only from one side but from both sides, by going to both JS and CA to hear what they said about it.

He asked her to talk once again because he wanted to make everything clear with her. Maybe he thought that he rushed in his explanation before and could make some misunderstandings. From my point of view, he didn't say that she's the reason for his change of heart but impliedly told her that he's the reason. Because he didn't grow more attracted to her, that he's stuck, so he's the problem. So he's back to square one, the day one, when he had a bit attracted to Choa. That's what he meant with "Choa OR none" and it's none for now, no one else. He only texted her to thank about peaches just like how he texted Yoon Ha for her "advices" the day before. He already made his stance clear twice, but Choa liked to make assumption and confused herself.

Up until now EP 14, he was not interested in anyone (except maybe a bit lingering feelings for Choa). He didn't approach anyone. About Ji Won, he only said that her way of thinking was similar, that as if he's looking at his female version. Either it's his indirect confession or just a casual talk, we'll still need to confirm it in the next episodes. Don't rush to accuse him.

But I understand everyone has their own point of view based on their experiences, personality, etc. So maybe like how I can't understand your POV, maybe you also can't understand my POV. I just want to say my POV just like how you said your POV.

Her brother reaction was normal. Because he didn't know the content of the text, and also only heard stories from his sister which was full of her assumptions which later she corrected but already left very bad impression in her brother's thought.

Maybe he couldn't read the room, but he came to check YJ and seeing him like that he tried to comfort him.

And he only told her that her way of thinking was the same with him just like what he told in his interviews, indirectly. He also only told that after being asked by Jae Hyung. If Jae Hyung didn't ask him about what happened to Yong Woo, Yong Woo would never mention about it in the first place.

And IF, once again IF, he was really sneaking into Jaeji, it's allowed anyway and that's what this show wanted so much either. Drama. It's detestable to the Jaeji shippers and Yong Woo haters, but it would be what the PD most welcomed. Don't forget she's the ex PD of EXchange, and Korean shows like to have a lot of dramas, unlike their Chinese counterparts.

Choa was also wanted and happy to have the conversation, and she also said that she's relieved because she got more clearer about the situation. She also got her chance to ask questions about her curiosities. And how he spoke in a way that was not respectful of other people? Maybe your like towards Choa blinded you.

Same thing happened to me. Maybe my like towards Ju Yeon blinded me also but the way Jae Hyung talked to her made me sheeted with anger. He even didn't see at her even once during the conversation, so disrespectful, and even far more cruel than Yong Woo, so inconsiderate. Yong Woo still tried to soften it but Jae Hyung said it bluntly which hurt more. The panelists even had the audacity to say that it's better to have one strong punch than 100 weak punches. Such a nonsense. That strong punch can kill someone while someone still can recover from weak punches just like what Choa did. But well, Yong Woo had been made a villain while Jae Hyung was the golden child. So no one will bash him for his doing.

When did YW said "I don't like you because you don't communicate with others"?? I don't remember he said that to Choa. He did tell her though that he didn't become attracted to her more along the time they spent together means that he told her impliedly that the problem was on him, not her.

Aahh that's what you meant by decided to go to YH hahaha, "that day". But I think it's normal though. It would be abnormal if he still texted Choa after saying to her that he wasn't interested with her anymore. Following his "normal" pattern will be "keep pursuing her because of responsibility/obligation" like what he explained to Choa. People will bash him even more if he still texted Choa after that especially Choa's fans.

I think it's too quick to say that he decided to go to YH. He went to a date with YH and sorted his mind/feelings in the conversation with her so it's normal for him to send text to YH to thank her. We still need to watch further episodes. More than one person in comments above you even accused him will go to JW LOL. So we'll see whether he will go to YH or JW or none of them. But I think you most probably right that he's not interested in particular person at this moment.

You keep accusing me that I twisted your words and not understand your points!! So I explained myself repeatedly and you STILL don't understand. You are so defensive and not trying to understand my explanation. I already said why I got that impression and you explained why you said what you said. But you keep accusing me that I keep accusing you about having problem with exes couples hence I tried repeatedly to explain it. And I already said that you already explained yourself and I already explained mine. Because I already got your point, but seems you even never try to understand my point.

Improve your reading comprehension!!!!

Which words of yours that I twisted? You sounded unhappy because only the exes couples that last in S3. Whether it's a new couple or exes couple, we should be happy that they're lasting and find their happiness. You mentioned about more exciting to see people move on, you are not satisfied that only the exes couples last and mentioned about Haeeun and Hyungyu move on beautifully. All of those give impression that you don't care about the exes couples and their happiness. Hence my response about new rule.

I can be wrong but I think the reason why more exes couples that last compared to only one new couple as you mentioned is because the exes already know more deeper about each other compared to the new one. It's only about 3 weeks in the show and people only try to show the good side as much as possible, even if bad side shows then it's only minimal. So the new couple can only see each other good side but when they're out from the show and in society now, bad side and incompatibility starts to show up hence the break up. Exes couple that come back together won't have that problem. If they decide to come back together then they most probably have solved their past problem and try to change for better besides the attraction from their ex is still more than the new people around them. So even if there is more new couples compared to exes couples, there is no guarantee that there will be more lasting new couples compared to lasting exes couples.

And don't forget that this is Korean dating show. Most of the participants are only looking for fame, not new partner, So even if all of participants form new couples and no exes couple at all, it's still possible that all of them won't last and break up. The reason I mentioned about Chinese dating show is because they're more serious in finding their partner hence a really lot more lasting couples compared to the Korean ones.

You already explained yours and I already explain mine. So I don't think there is a need to prolong this anymore.