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Which time are you referring to - when Taegyu shot Assemblyman in the head and went to airport = that was all an illusion right from the start, so he basically never shot him. Which is why Satan was alive cause old man was not shot.

Or are you referring to some other time?

like I had a doubt, not sure - if demons can possess dead or almost dying bodies. Given how the earlier demons have been shown to possess people - I thought it was people who were dying - like not completely dead - but will surely die. Hence they were possessed - but I think I could be wrong. I was doubtfull like how could Satan possess the man who was clearly dead - but then I'll have to rewatch to see how others did.

Justicia - Bitna was almost dying I thought cause it was a stab in the stomach area.
Paimon - the guy was again stabbed so taking his last breath when possessed.
Gremory - am not sure, the girl she possessed had taken her life, but am not sure if she was dead or dying.
Valak/Mando - again not sure if the office worker was dead or dying cause of the exhaution

What do you think - and what is the time you were refering to?

Oh April, my friend - I am glad you shared your thoughts. I loved discussing the last episodes with you.

Solid logic - as always, thanks for clearing some of my confusion on the whole Satan/J reveal and the age gaps - makes sense now that you have spelled it out for me. Thanks buddy!

And yes - the fight was little meh, but you are right I like the theory that others have added that this is Satan's trick and an illusion. And the last scene Bael is also Satan in disguise (which also explains the weird behaviour and order).

But yes - thinking episode wise and time we have left, it seemed like a far too stretched illusion but lets see - if it is like what people are sharing, it will completely change my perspective of 11-12 episodes then cause the writers would be genius and I'd love to be fooled and presented with a twist that I did not see coming.

They have done a good, no great job so far - so which is why Ep 11-12 felt a little off. But if this was the grand plan that am all for it and I will trust in them as we walk towards the finale week.

Hey There! Hahaha Thank you!!

while it is not as distinctive and elaborate as your username and dedication on making your profile and W S2 theory/fiction world, I think OMO and Daebak are the two words that I picked up from K-dramas pretty early and use it even in real life. (there are others too but they are ermmm curse words like Shibal which are specifically kept for like Monday blues :P)

OMO especially is my favorite because I love it when characters use it - it has such a bright and postive tone to it, instantly makes you excited and happy. Plus - I don't recall where but it was shared that OMO perhaps is an acronym for Oh My Ovaries - which is a legit reaction I and others have every time we see a hot oppa onscreen :P

Guess, that is how it got stuck - sorry for the long post, but I love the whole concept and so went ahead to share it all :)

Thank you for sharing - and kind words on how I presented it. I have tried never to be rude but unfortunately have been served many rude remarks and comments. Therefore am extra careful in what I post and share in this space - words written, spoken have a lot of power I believe, even if we are shielded behind a screen. So your comment in the end really makes me happy and I will continue to write in this manner, and better!

Coming to drama theory - I think I agree with the other MDL users and yourself - I totally missed the last scene where Bael had a different red aura and not his usual along with the Spider things. So am guessing that it is actually Satan and his whole action of going to hell was an illusion. Like he is supposed to be the master of tricks too so this could be that. This makes me more excited and in fact then completely changes my perception of Ep 11-12 because the writers are then genius and I have been happily fooled!

Lets see how it all chalks up to finale week and am so exited to see how all our theories come to life!

Ah Signor Cassano - honor to meet you on this side of comments. I like this theory - yours is the first comment I see after logging in but I will take your word. In fact this theory makes me excited that Ep 11-12 were not the end - cause otherwise the fight was too bland.

maybe this is not the end, Satan did not really go to Hell and is lurking around and final battle remains. Like you/Someone has shared the last Bael could be Satan in disguise and I think I missed the whole red aura but am loving this theory. After all Satan is a master of trickery so we cannot put this past him - and the last bit was so unlike Bael. So yes, am going to trust in this show and writers and hope for an epic finale!! * fingers crossed *

Compared to the earlier 10 episodes it felt a little (like 0.000001%) less exciting in terms of action and the big reveal. Like Ep 11 served well on the emotional front which was great - but idk maybe I was expecting like fight of the century or something.

But yes - I like how other users have shared that maybe this is not the end, Satan did not really go to Hell and is lurking around and final battle remains. Someone has shared the last Bael could be Satan in disguise and I think I missed the whole aura but am loving this theory. After all Satan is a master of trickery so we cannot put this past him - and the last bit was so unlike Bael. So yes, am going to trust in this show and writers and hope for an epic finale!! * fingers crossed *

[1] Was right that Assemblyman and Son 1 is main culprit, just I thought the person who's Killer J and Satan would be same. While I like this logic as well, where Satan instigated Son 1 to do the killings - for some reason the fact that the son remained the same physically through 20+ years it is a little unsettling. But then Korean actors and characters have partaken from the Fountain of Youth - so I guess that is what the writers were going with.

Personally would have liked it better as - Assemblyman being the Satan/Killer J 20 years ago.
So young Son 1 came home and killed his father - and Satan took over - is all fine. But would have been better if Assemblyman would have been Satan/Killer J and done the killings 20 years ago; while Son 1 was the accomplice. Even if he was middle-to-senior aged, because of Satan's powers he should have been able to carry out the killings. But each kill made him a tad weaker and given that his human body that he was living off was getting old. Therefore he makes a deal with the elder son - who knew the identity of Satan / Killer J living off as his father - to do the present day killings. I mean I like the current logic - but then my version kind of sat better in my head - in terms of timeline and people aging etc.


[2] Now the reason why my rating might go from 10/10 to 8-9
[2- a] The focus on Satan vs Justicia + the big Reveal was Rushed and Lack luster.
- Justicia vs Paimon was a better fight | vs Satan was so bland
- the big reveal was so rushed, just done away in half an episode.
- given from the start there have only been 2 questions in this drama: 1) who is killer J/Satan 2) will Justicia and Han Daon have an happy ending.
- the first one I feel the show makers have not done justice, he was Satan and he went away so easily. It really was boring whereas it should have been more intense, action packed - to the points of being fearful and cruel. But it wasn't - another case where the interest was build up so high only for the makers not being able to justify the expectations.

[2-b] Now with 2 episodes remaining and given the execution of 11-12, am doubtful on how the makers will execute on important point number 2 - Will Justicia and Han Daon have an happy ending.

I really hope they take the time to explain why Justicia was punished, why human Bitna is in Hell, why they will have a Happy Ending if they do. Really hoping they don't rush it just like with the whole Satan vs Justicia arc.

Also what is the issue with Bael - he is unnecessary giving challenges. Like it makes no sense why would he want Justicia not to give a fair trial to Son 1. Like what is stopping them to have a trial and make him have a life sentence. Once he is in prison - am sure Justicia can pull off and kidnap him to kill him in her own manner and send him to hell. Bael will still get the guy to hell as expected - this clearly shows that just because they want an obstacle in Han Daon and Justicia's way - they forcefully have to make it this way.

Given how much I had been loving this show and still do - the Ep 11-12 were a downer in comparison to what we have seen so far :(

Really hoping they make up for it and give a fitting finale to this story.

Thoughts and Theories Post Ep11-12

So while am happy that my and others' earlier theories were not amiss (as shared here: https://kisskh.at/758169-the-judge-from-hell#comment-19157708) but am a little disappointed in the execution of these 2 episodes as compared to the first 10 episodes.

This drama was going 10/10 for me, but after Ep 11-12, its coming down to 8-9 as it is not flawless anymore for me. Good but not great - but still hoping the last 2 episodes finish well.

More details below in comment under spoiler tag - would love to hear from others what they think:

prepare yourself with tissues?

Pleasure is all mine, it was fun to rant about garbage dramas together through reviews. And yes, BWS was the only reason worth dragging myself and completing this s-show. Thank you for also taking the time to read my drama review.

And yes, look forward to seeing your updated profile, whenever that is - no pressure 😅 have a great day!

Thank you so much, Lex-nim for taking the time out to read, And yes - see I did say we had similar opinions. Great minds think alike - even for ranting about garbage dramas 😂😂😂

All of them are actors and actresses par excellence. Like if they are in a drama cast - you know it is bound to be good, at least in terms of execution and the character that they'll play. Literally they own and bring the character they play to life - most naturally!

Good article - and much needed highlight of grey characters and recognition they deserve 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Also regarding the title - I know it is a bit mixed, but frankly I have seen bad titles that were simply click-baits with zero correlation to the article topic, or misrepresented. I have often pointed them out in the comment. But I find this one - worth the hook and cleverly spun around the beloved BDSM saga!

That is news to me - that this is the writer's first project. If that is the case then so far it is incredible, and am sure it will open more doors for them. As far as I can see the reception of this drama has been good, and therefore commendable feat by all crew and cast members! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Hahaha - yes, we are obsessed but I love how we are discussing it all. You are right - Gabriel heard it on the scene as the officer. But Idk I was just creating the backstory - as this could be a possibility - you know them hearing the pleads.

Lets see how it all unfolds - excited, but its only just Monday - AARRGGHH!

1. Satan is worse - like he is worse than a demon. Demons even if they kill sinners or are supposedly bad, still have rules and order of some sort. Satan is rebelling which is why he was banished from hell, or escaped - because they got greedy. Which is why they don't have any rules and are just killing mindlessly.

The reason I feel they are killing innocents - is like a taunt to the Heaven and Hell and ruling parties there - God/Lucifer etc. Like look what I can do with my power and you cannot stop me from killing people who believe in you.

2. I don't think so - they were just killed but will have to check. They were brutally murdered - like hacked/chopped which kind of showed what kind of twisted person the killer is. Not sure if that is counted or not? And Ep 10 - when Daon's mother feebly asks him to run away and draws attention of the Killer J to her - we can see the act, he is not simply killing, but in rage literally chopping etc.

3. I think the police arrived - and which is what made the Killer J flee rather than going after Daon. Why this happened and if it happened - I think could be cause of his mother's wish that Gabriel somehow answered. Basically a bit of divine intervention - since the mother definitely was a believer - she is shown wearing a cross even if her face is not shown, plus Gabriel (as old lady) tells Daon that he has been looking after him as per his parent's wish (in the episode he meets her in the basement room). So somehow the plea of the believer was heard by angel Gabriel and so he made the police rush. This saved Daon.

So some divine power helped the mother in a way to save Daon, making Killer J/Satan flee - in action: police arrived.

And Gabriel had to leave after this so he ensured the prayers were answered - and therefore made the female police officer become foster mom for Daon.

Even if Gabriel was not there, in a way Daon was protected. Like Killer J did not get a chance to kill him. And I have a feeling something happened to Killer J/Satan after this massacre - because he paused his killings until now - maybe?

The whole mother sacrifice is kind of like how Lily saved Harry Potter (in case you have read/seen), or many other stories where mother's love is the ultimate sacrifice and protection for the kid... I am thinking they drew reference from that.

I have a hard time - relating Kylum to Daon. like am not too sure how it will all piece together - cause if that was the case, Bael would not have Paimon touch him, even if he knew Paimon had no chance. Kylum is also lost from Hell - so if anyone knows Daon is related to Kylum they would have tried to bring it back to Hell/Lucifer.


Too many questions - and the wait is so longggggg!!!

Oh am loving Judge from Hell - to the point of sharing theories and discussing with other MDL users on a weekly basis. Basically obsessed!

Here are some theories of mine - in case you want to share. Always happy to know what others think and converse: https://kisskh.at/758169-the-judge-from-hell#comment-19157708

when does he not shine? 🥰 Waiting for this drama!

They will definitely have a happy ending - unless the writers decide to put a cliffhanger, and killing one of them but leaving it still open ended for Season 2. Honestly would hate that as I am not a fan of multiple seasons - I love how K-dramas have been good with 16 episode format, and even better with 12/14 episodes.

It would be a like those endings I feel - where one of them will be sacrificed and months/years later they will come back. Something like Goblin, Splish Splash Love etc.

But all in one season hopefully!

I love your review title. It has been a while since I saw this - but someone's review came up on my feed. They had given it 10/10 and I literally threw up in my mouth. Which is why I came to the drama page again and I had liked/upvoted your review a while back - and just read it all over again because it is so on point - we have some similar thoughts, which I highlighted in my own review (https://kisskh.at/profile/omo-omo-omo/reviews/319699)

Almost a year later and I am still regretting why did I watch this garbage even in 2X speed.
Only answer is cause of the Min-Bong cameo and Byeon Woo Seok's Ryu Si Oh, there was no other saving point.

(P.S. I love your profile - so aesthetic. It says under construction: while I would not change a thing because it is so wonderful already, but then I want to see more creativity with the revamped page)

He's definitely alive - I think this was just a great cliffhanger. Justicia still has her power and good reflexes - so she alone could have stopped the blow. Or yes, like the other MDLers are sharing maybe Mando/Arong have also intervened - and now all four of them will become a team (since we need that to have Finale Battle with Satan/Killer J)

I also shared it in another of my comments - remember how Daon is getting too vengeful? Like he is overall a good character and not a sinner, but because of the death of the detective/foster mother - he is ready to make deal with the devil to get the killer punished. So basically his good soul is starting to get a bit of tinge of evil. So to stop all this - he will be saved but momentary lose consciousness - like a day or few on Earth time, but a lot longer in Hell. This is where he will meet Bael/Lucifer and understand what it truly means to be in Hell. Justicia has also been telling him that he should carefully think before making a deal with her - as he does not know what Hell is, and should get a taste of it in order to decide. So basically human Daon has been foolish (in the eyes of higher power) and saying things like I don't care, I am ready to go to hell to have Killer J killed. But this will give him perspective that he meant to be good and serve a greater good purpose.

Therefore - if we see next week trailer - no place Daon is shown, but when Justicia is in some kind of trouble, and Arong is asking/shouting for help - a car dashboard is shown, meaning someone is rushing in to save her. I believe this will be Daon ready to save her, having recovered his consciousness. He is the ML so the whole fast car chase is probably going to be all heroic!

Also I think we will have either of them sacrificing themselves towards the finale, right now it is too soon for anyone of them to be dead.

Bael probably took her powers for killing Paimon - as Paimon was only following Bael's orders, and Justicia intervened. Also, she has become a bit human-like having feelings etc - so maybe a total punishment is not killing her, but taking her powers away. I am still believing this is Bael's ultimate plan to make her feel more compassion even if she was a Judge from Hell.