reefpicker

You are a rude person and a troll. I don't think you have a problem with "all the Thais", but you do think they are lesser than you.

I love when I assume it is a HE and not a SHE, who is the director. Bad habit. I blame the fact that I am a Spanish speaker and in Spanish the neutral pronouns are HE/HIM.

I agree that it has to be well done. I think it is too early to criticize that it is NOT well done here.

I believe this non-linear storytelling is use to create the feeling of disorientation that the film maker envisions one would feel in the afterlife. Sort of like the Hitchcock Zoom. It is a way a cinematographer uses visual storytelling to create a physical or emotional impact in the viewer.

I guess for me, I don't want to jump the gun too early. A friend of mine, who loves watching BL and knows a lot about movies has told me he thinks this last episode was not well done. He thinks, like you do, that the director is trying to bite more than he can handle.

I say, let's wait. We need more time to know if this was a bad episode, or if it fits into the narrative perfectly but we need to know more of the story to understand it. I think there is nothing wrong if a cinematographer asks his audience to watch something twice. Nothing about the viewing experience confines us to watching it once, does it?

Let's be honest, this is a troll. That's the only reason I said what I said. If she had given a thoughtful opinion about either show, I would have treated her with respect.

Also, to me, this sounds borderline racist:
"I feel like the Thais should get their shit together and put out at least one excellent BL again before trying Supernatural shit once more"

All the Thais? Or just the producers of this series? Why lump them all together? Also, the Thais don't owe us anything. We consume what they produce. They can do whatever they want.

Furthermore, this: "But many people here said that about bad buddy, which to me is one of the worst bl's ever made.", denotes a contrarian sob.

If this user had said, "Bad Buddy is Bad", that is clearly a personal opinion based on taste. If they provide evidence, fine. For example, "I didn't like how terribly simplistic the plot was", or "I dislike the way violence was injected into the earlier episodes of the series without proper justification". Totally valid points.

I am OK with people giving opinions, but bashing a series you haven't watched, making borderline racist comments about Thai people and criticizing something just because you know it will generate a response? Hmm, no.

I can't do it! The computer screen is too hard! :D

You are entitled to your own opinions, but coming here and bashing a show you haven't even watched and criticizing all of Thailand for the fact they want to take artistic freedom to the extreme is very bold of you.

I think Bad Buddy is great. Is it the best BL I have watched? No. But it is definitely one of the best.

I think anyone who thinks Bad Buddy is one of the worst BL ever is either a troll or someone with really bad taste, or a lack of common sense. Either way, On Cloud Nine is not for you then. You will not like it.

It is called non-linear storytelling, aka nonlinear narrative. It is a thing. Look it up.

I am confused but I am loving it. I hope this doesn't turn out like Lost: Lots of cool twist, no answers in the end.

I didn't watch Not Me. I was just told he was an Uke on that one. :O

I wonder if this is done on purpose to throw us off, since you say the production is mostly queer people. Maybe they want to make a point about this Seme/Uke crap. LOL. Maybe, there is no seme and no uke!

We will have to see!

You are right and if it turns out like Bad Buddy, then neither of us gets to do a victory dance haha

I think you have some great points. I feel like sometimes the definition of Seme and Uke is constantly evolving in Thai BL. I think the classic Seme is always wealthier than the classic Uke, but yes we have some examples of the total opposite. What I think is that it never seems to wow the Seme that the Uke is wealthy, while the Uke is wowed by the wealth of the Seme. The Seme also uses his wealth in some way, shape or form, to save the Uke, rescue him, etc. IDK. But I am sure there are exceptions to that as well.

I don't see SCOY how you do. I think Toh was obsessed with Nuea but he didn't technically stalk him. He merely placed himself in situations were he could be around Nuea, not so much actively pursuing him, and then he collected stuff. About mid-way through the series it became clear that Nuea was the one pursuing.

You know, it used to be that you could tell who is the Uke and the Seme by who initiates the kiss, but lately not even that is clear. In My Secret Love things were totally flipped.

Good point about Perth's character in LBC. The Uke was tall but fragile.

I guess we will have to wait and see. I still see Ayan being the pursuer. The only thing that can change it, is if Ayan is only doing this for his plan. Then midway through the series, he becomes the one being pursued, sort of like in SCOY how it seemed that Nuea was not even interested in Toh, then he actively pursued him later.

So, my bet is on Ayan being the Seme. I think everything else is smokescreen to throw us off. Also, I am sorry to say I can't see First as a Seme LOL. Maybe that is just me.

Personally, it is the jitteriness that also hints towards him being the Uke.

I don't think him being on top of Ayan says anything because he looks more scared than confident.

However, it is interesting because so often Ukes are not athletic and here we have an Uke who is athletic.

I just don't see Akk at this moment pursuing Ayan. It seems that Ayan is doing the pursuing. It seems that Akk has all the characteristics of a very virginal Uke who is scared of getting close to another man.

Come to think about it, I think First has never played a Seme too. Has he? Khaotung has sort of. In Tonhon, he was the Uke, but in both 1000 stars and My Tee, he played the second lead, who ended up getting sidelined. In both instances he was pursuing the Uke. I guess that makes him technically a Seme. I think his new look here is to make him look a bit more rough so he can be the Seme.

I am sticking with my theory! Let's see what happens. I admit, it is too early to tell for certain!!!

Not exactly badass, but I thought that Chonlatee was a pretty sassy and strong Uke. Toh from SCOY was also interesting. But I agree with you, I personally hate the weak Uke stereotype. It is the only thing I don't like about My Only 12 percent.

@Stefania @jpny01

The way I see it, its clear Ayan is the Seme, unless I am missing something or they end up playing some tricks. BTW Semes can be shorter than the Uke. It actually happened by accident in Love Sick, as in Season 2 Captain was taller than White. In LBC, Perth was much shorter than Pete. In My Secret Love, though the role of Uke and Seme for Park and Lee is not made clear, we know that the much taller Lee is the bottom, which is usually associated with the Uke.

So, why do I think Ayan is the Seme?

1) Seatbelt scene. The one who leans forward is usually the Uke. Ayan leaned forward.
2) Uke reticence. Akk is clearly pulling back every time Ayan pushes him
3) Aggressiveness. Ayan seems more aggressive than Akk, a character trait associated with the Seme
4) Boo boo. Usually, though not always, the Uke gets a boo boo and the Seme helps him out. Here we saw it when Akk got the splinter and Ayan took care of it.
5) No inhibitions. Usually, the Seme is much more uninhibited than the Uke. Here Ayan had no problem undressing in front of Akk.
6) Power dynamics. This is an interesting one. In school, Akk has the upper hand, though I suspect that Ayan will show that he has more than one trick up his sleeve. However, keep in mind who has more money. Ayan clearly has the money while Akk is from the countryside. Semes usually are wealthier than the Ukes.
7) Semes are the pursuers. I see Ayan pursuing Akk. We don't know if it is part of his plan or not. It would be interesting if things get flipped later and Akk becomes the pursuer, but I am doubting this is where the series is headed.

So, in general, I am doubting this series will be like Bad Buddy, in which the roles of Semes and Ukes were muddled on purpose. I also don't think it will be like 21 day theory, in which the roles are there but the stereotypes and cliches are thrown out the window. I think Ayan is the Seme and I don't see that changing. Maybe, I will be proven wrong. It is very early to tell.

Yeah, I agree. The more I think about it, the more I think this is true.

And I wonder if we have a hint in the name, The World Remembers. Remembers what? That is interesting.

They only mentioned it once at the beginning of episode 1. The series is called the eclipse, yet not one person seems to be concerned about the actual event, just the curse . I think the series should have been called, The Curse

Neo looks so fine here. Very fine. Like, really fine.

OK, I want Neo and I am not scared to say it.

LOL

Frankly, I think it is: 1) so that when they are scared of the "curse" it makes it "funny" when they run like "sissies" (boo hoo, I know. BTW That's a lot of quotation marks in one sentence). 2) Because gay man are fashion conscious and they would not put up with wearing those ugly uniforms

There is, of course, a third possibility. They are doing it for a reason we don't know yet or they are doing it to comment on gay rights. IDK. I guess we should believe it is the later so we can all be happy with GMMTV studios for making a social statement for the queer community.

She also doesn't consult gay men. I mean, TharnType, the icecube? That's not how anal sex works. Ice will not make it any better :D

Ayan is the Seme. It has been made clear.

I don't agree. It was done so we knew that Ayan was showering while Akk went through his things. Note that it was very tastefully done. We didn't get much skin. I actually didn't feel like I saw anything I had not seen before from Khaotung.

An exploitative scene would be what we saw in Rainbow Prince or the many times in Tonhon Chonlatee that To was on a towel. BTW In that one Khaotung also took his shirt off and we saw way more than here.