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That's a great point. I liked LITA a lot for the reasons you state, and this drama was just terrible at the end. The problem is not just about it being a family drama, but having terrible writing as well. All the parts against third-hand smoking were just out of place. It felt like a government sponsored campaign in the middle of a BL, and I've never seen anything like it.

I was just numb with all that wailing. It just never stopped, but it didn't get the ML's any closer. I'm really very lenient with BL's but I hate having watched 12 episodes that were really enjoyable and have them ruined by the last two. It's just the only thing that gets me irritated about any BL because I feel like I was tricked into wasting my time.

I agree completely. The whole idea of the father being there was to promote junk science, third-hand smoke causing cancer. The real problem with the father is that he abandoned his family, but that theme isn't built up at all and so no one cares about it at the end, and I wanted to skip it, but I thought it was just comical and was really enjoying the absurdity of it. Why doesn't the father even express how sorry he is for leaving them behind? God, it was the silliest thing, and the flashback of him hugging his kid - it's just too late to develop any feelings for this character, and you wonder why they even show us a scene with him being a nice guy - no, he was a jerk, and we'll never have enough time to watch him redeem himself. It's just horrible writing.

Wasn't anyone exasperated seeing Peak at the funeral? I thought that was too much with him asking her out with the mom dying but this is just sociopathic to be going to the funeral and still making out with her. This screenwriting just totally collapsed. I feel like they're just dialing it in for the finale. Someone said max out the melodrama, and don't worry about the words.

Who doesn't hate a cancer causing father? Not only did he whore around with other women, and beat the kids within an inch of their life, but his very touch caused cancer. I'm glad that Seeiw was able to forgive this POS, and the guy got a few seconds of guilt-free happiness, but he really should have told Seeiw that he was doomed to die, just like his mom, but I guess he's no saint - no surprise there.

Someone must have picked Earth for this role because of his limitless tear ducts, and this last episode required like a bath-tub full of tears. Thank god they picked the right boy for this. I'm sure this level of melodrama was necessary because that father and his smoking were just out of control.

STOP SHOUTING SO MUCH!!!! PEAT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO CRY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEY WROTE HIM IN THE NOVEL, BUT I'M GLAD YOU ENJOYED IT.

This is very insightful. I wrote a long review advocating for therapy, but I agree with everyone that what Mame did was perfectly acceptable. You could go in that direction - with just love from Prapai being the answer. A longer drama showing Sky's road to recovery would have been better, but that's my only complaint. They did a fantastic job here, and Prapai had always been very sensitive to Sky, even crying for him when he can't. If there was a lover that could heal trauma like this, Prapai would definitely be the one.

This is like watching something on Nickelodeon. It's so juvenile, and the BL element is submerged under a really uninspired het drama of the most tepid Victorian kind. Don't even dream of any hot scenes here whether of man, woman, beast or vegetable. At least in bromances they show some skin. I'm just watching this for mysterious reasons, and sometimes I can't stop myself when I get started. At least it has a plot even if it could have been written by an 8 year old - sometimes that's enough when there are cute boys involved.

Yes, absolutely. This is exactly what I feel. I don't know how everyone is a professional clinician on this board, but I'm enjoying their histrionics.

I agree with you. She's shown some development. In TharnType, Tharn couldn't be less sensitive to Type's childhood trauma compared to how Prapai deals with Sky. I would prefer that Sky see a doctor or therapist but it is in the realm of the plausible that he doesn't need one. PTSD is not the same as major depressive disorder as many assume on here. It is not biological and some people have the capacity to get over it. Everyone's mind is different. Sky does have a supportive family and he wasn't born with a mental illness so he could overcome the trauma in a natural way without meds or intensive psychotherapy. I just intuitively feel he needs some help outside his boyfriend, but that is just how I read him, but none of us can see into the mind of this fictional character who was given far too episodes for us to really understand.

In the book he was raped a second time, so they really toned it down. I think the effect, even toned down, was to have him re-experience his worst nightmare. I don't think it was all just meant for drama, though. Prapai does console him in a very effective way, and the trauma of rape is partially addressed.

Yes, everyone is different. Sky might have PTSD but he might have recovered enough on his own. He doesn't have clinical depression. Some people are resilient. It's impossible to say, and Mame has actually kept this in the realm of the plausible, but I would have preferred therapy for Sky. His character did seem to be broken, but it could just be acting out, like a cry for attention without necessarily being real, stark depression.

That was just incredibly moving, and I was just balling for a lot of this. I have to say the emotional impact of the Sky, Prapai segment has to be the most intense of any BL I've ever watched, and I don't care what anyone says, it's a true wonder in the BL world - I'm not going to say masterpiece because that word has lost all meaning. The caveat to that is Sky needs a doctor - the total deconstruction of his chracter by Gun is just too severe for him to be fixed by just a sensitive lover. Prapai would definitely play an integral role in his recovery, but it's just not enough. Sky just revisited his worst nightmare, like a person revisiting a serial killer that they barely escaped from, and it would just be mind-bending. That scene was meant to maximize the drama [call it melodrama if you want], but its consequence should have been that Sky should have been wrecked for months. A few hugs, and some lovey-dovey talk shouldn't have turned that around. Impossible.

Nonetheless, I loved it and couldn't feel better about the end of this series - for the most part. I just wanted 6 more episodes, and to see them hunt down and kill Gun and chop him up into little pieces. That actor really played the villain perfectly. I really got total psycho vibes from him, and felt like I was watching a horror movie with him around. Not only did he track Sky down but he was intent on crushing his spirit completely with his insidious mind games, telling Sky that Prapai had willingly given him up, and that he was as trashy and as insensitive as Gun. This segment was really hard to watch when your intent in a BL is to watch fluffy romance, but it really worked. When Prapai saves him, the release is tremendous and they built that tension up for something that felt like hours.

Everyone was wonderful in this part, including Rain and Phayu. I just wish there had been more time devoted to this because it was really so serious, and required so much more time to handle Sky's sensitive condition, but they did wonderfully for the little time they had to work with.

I think you have to pay something when the condition is extremely expensive. They have universal healthcare but there are long wait times and poor equipment. She looks like she went to a nice private facility which would be very expensive and includes a lot of out of pocket costs. She also still needs to support three kids going to college and none of that is free.

Every segment of War of Y has been excellent and it's difficult for me to choose which one I like best. The Y-Idol segment started really dark with someone that seemed like such a snake, but he metamorphosed into a decent person. I think Peak was always pretty good but acted like Bew so he could be successful, but he let go of his conniving ways so he could get over his guilt. It's really more of a Hollywood ending because most people would never go back and would remain corrupted. Nonetheless, it's possible, and they made it plausible enough because Kla, his future lover, wanted him to be that way and Peak was raised pretty well by his mother. I think this segment had a lot of drama, and a lot of realism just like the previous episodes. You could always learn from this, unlike any of the bubblegum BL's we normally watch, and even if the messages are obvious, it's good seeing those same preachy, simple ethics in a context that is much more believable so the message hits home in a more effective way.

Back down to 8.2. SHHHH, you have to be quiet - BL's aren't allowed to have good ratings. The MDL homophobes are watching 👀👀👀

The big unanswered question of this series: is the wig ever coming off? I'm dying to know when this will happen. I'm sure Champoo will be like "I love you Mean, but it's either me or the wig." Somehow, I think the wig will win.

The mom's illness is really heart-wrenching, but I just think there were several issues with the screenplay this episode. I just wonder how the kids support themselves. I don't see any of them working and they're all going through college. It seems like the mom supported them and no one seems worried about this, nor about the crushing hospital bills. Peak asking Hom for a shot at being her boyfriend is just really out of place. It's not just inappropriate, his character wouldn't have done it given how virtuous and upright he is. That scene was just a mess. Peak should have done that before they found out about the mother's illness. Why would Hom say yes to him? She should have been creeped out by him, and would be thinking something like "this guy was nothing like I thought he was." The third hand smoke causing the cancer was just silly. Just come up with another cancer, please. There are plenty of cancers that are life threatening that ramp up to stage 4 very quickly.

Other than that, I loved the emotional scenes here. The scenes with the kids crying by the bedside were great, and Proud crying next to her was just beautiful and really moved me pretty strongly. This is still a pretty solid series and the flaws this episode can easily be overlooked.

I was watching Name just saying Em's name. It's just one of the saddest things I've ever seen in any drama. You have to wonder if that's all he thinks about. The acting there was just phenomenal for me - Title really conveyed such a total level of despair. I was just really floored by this scene. I also wonder if Name is putting too heavy a burden on Em and that's why he feels he needs to distance himself. Honestly, having Name as your lover would require an intense amount of involvement beyond any normal relationship. It's certainly possible, and I'm curious how they are going to make this relationship work in this series. It's really one of the reasons I'm going to keep watching every week.

The scene with the mom is equally powerful, but I always wonder why he won't say one word to her. What trauma triggered this, because his mom really seems like a good person, and the show really started with Name at a really young age having this mutism. I don't think it's really thought through by the writer, but forgetting that, the idea of the struggle to get answers from his mom about why Em is avoiding him was just really so sad and I could see both sides. I think the mom is at her breaking point and she doesn't want to help Name get what he wants anymore, thinking she's just enabling him, but Name is being treated very poorly by Em, and she should understand that. It wasn't the time to not give in to him.

Her talk with her mom was supposed to be validating for her, and she did need it to find courage, because her situation with Name would traumatize anyone, and showed that she was such a concerned parent. She didn't want to hurt Name, but she was trying to nudge him forward. I still think it was the wrong time, but these are tough calls to make. I think the show really did a good job capturing this, even if I'm criticizing their depiction of the cause of Name's selective mutism.

This series is just a grind, and is poorly written. The story of Gun and Golf is so illogical it's nearly impossible to give any credence to it. I still don't think people can wait ten years to reveal themselves to each other - it's just unbelievable that a teenager can be that shy without it manifesting in other ways, and Gun is not that shy around anyone else. His name would have been revealed to Golf many times over whether in roll calls, or other ways. If he didn't want to meet Golf because of his acne, what's the reason now? [believe me, the acne was supposed to be the reason but they forgot all about it]. I just don't believe the premise at all. Sometimes that doesn't matter if the chemistry is there, or some other element in the relationship becomes interesting enough that we can ignore the emptiness of the main plot, but there really isn't anything. And that stare they had between each other while doing the old cliche hand touching while moving the mouse was just way too long. There's no going back from a stare like that - you might as well just kiss him passionately after that.

The story of Name if just full of a crushing sadness, but it also makes no sense. I just don't know what motivates Name, and it is just way too mysterious for me to follow it. At this point I want some idea what causes his selective mutism and why he won't speak to his mom. His selective mutism is just too extreme - he's only spoken to one person and only a single sentence to him.
Just like the shyness of Gun I think they just overshot it with the mutism. They're just doing anything that makes the audience feel as sentimental about these characters as possible, but they are wearing us all out with their excessiveness. Putting that aside, at least the mom is trying to move things forward with Name, so the story shows some development, but it's very slow. I still like the attempt they're making with this story which is unique for any BL I've seen, and highlights people with disabilities. It just needs way more time and should be a standalone series. It's way more serious than the others and really way more involved. I find it very hard going between this story and some of the others, especially Mean's.

Mean's story is impossible to follow. All I see is a wig. I can't focus.

Champ's story is touching and sweet. It's actually the best story because it makes sense and every line is believable. I don't mind that one at all, but why is it in a BL? There are some M/F relationship side stories in BL's but not sentimental family stories a la the Hallmark channel.

I just don't know what to make of all this. It's just a hodgepodge of different stories, written with different degrees of skill, interspersed with terrible music and hideous wigs. Good luck staying awake or making sense of any of it.

Concerning Pete's acting in the crying scene I'm going to respectfully disagree with a lot of people on here. I think the acting was completely fine, and you don't have to have tears streaming down your face when you are distraught. I rarely cry myself in public, and someone like Sky is putting on a facade of being stronger than he is. It's easy to make an actor cry, as others have said, and the director told him not to. Some of what Pete is feeling is just fear and you don't have to cry to portray that. Pete's acting has been fine in every scene and his crying scenes are no different. Maybe someone can wail more beautifully and artistically than Pete did in those scenes, but I'm not an expert on that, and I have my doubts anyone on here is.