Kate

I feel like I express my thoughts well in my review with this line:

"I was intrigued by the interesting beginning, and not smart enough to leave when I saw the first red flags warning me, this leads to nothing good. One could say I’m Na Bi, and this show was Jae Eon - leaving me angry, annoyed, frustrated and exhausted."

If I knew it will end like this, I would probably not watch it.

Didn't know you know all the producers and directors who ever created censored adaptation dramas, since you know all of their motivations so well.

I'm not gonna say it's not about money too. It's not like Korea started to film BLs now only for the lgbt support and representation. They saw how popular and big the markets is, so they jump on it. Thai BLs are not there for representation either, when they adapt mostly awfully written stories made by straight cis women and not the ones written by actually gay creators. The whole BL industry is first about money, and then if lucky about representation.

Also, can we stop acting as if these producers and directors just taken the works and did with it what they wanted? The writer sold the writer for it to be made into adaptation. Want to drag someone, drag the writer too. They knew this drama will be censored and they were fine with it. Shows how the creator of these BL stories do not care about representation either (at least in your view, since you think they are all disgrace, but the authors agreed to make it happen for money).

Okay, while agree The Untamed is not BL, you are being EXTREMELY unfair. Censored adaptation is the only form of gay romance Chinese people can get in mainstream media. Directors and producers are doing their best to convey as much of the original work as they can, hence they often have more than one version of the show ready, in case the first will not pass the censorship. They come up with clever ways to drop Easter eggs from the novels into the shows, that audience will catch on, but censorship will not.

Good for you and for me to be able to (I assume for you) live in a countries that do not have censorship of media like that. But for China it's either trying their best to convey the romance in censored show, or getting nothing.

I dropped dramas 8 minutes in episode 1 in the past 🙃

I'm so sorry Jin Young, but the acting in the beginning of episode 4 was just truly bad 🤣

They did not know Li Zilong had someone learn how to make them, hence they thought the number of them was limited to the ones that were already made. They did not know he could make new ones with the materials.

People dislike her outside of her relationship with Sol, coz she is busybody that acts first and thinks second.
Also not everyone who questions their sexuality acts the way she does, being possessive and unfair to the person they claim to like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We can appreciate the representation and still dislike the character itself.

While I also am not the biggest fan of them as a pair since I dislike Jiwan, it's completely not true Sol broke up with anyone coz of Jiwan, as she was not in a relationship with anyone in the first place. The coffee guy tried to flirt with Sol, but she never saw him as a romantic interest.

Sol had a crush for Jiwan for a long time, and she was never forced to question anything.

Yeah, not that she literally told DH she does not want to get back with JE in episode 8 🙃 At the end of the day he told her when she was leaving to Seoul in episode 8, that if she tells him that there will never be chance of them getting together, he will give up. But she didn't. All she has to do is say "this will never happen". But she doesn't.

Had the same thought about the umbrella.
I love how Do Hyuk brought her umbrella to make sure she will not get wet, while Jae Eon was the reason she did at the end. I think it perfectly represents their priorities. Do Hyun thinking about Na Bi, Jae Eon thinking about himself. That said, Na Bi should have checked the weather on the net and bring umbrella herself, so it still could, in a metaphorical way, show how she is not independent and relies on and is influenced by the guys.

it's nothing new. In Chinese shows except from voting online etc. there are ways to support your contestants that are either only available to Chinese people, or extremely hard to do for foreigners. Each country will favor voters from their own country, coz these people will be the core audience for the group. Even if they will debut with song having 3 versions in all 3 languages, the shows, variety shows etc, will take most place in Korea, so it's fair for them to have more say on who is in the group.

They see more than we see (since they cut a lot of footage to fit 1.30h episode). My friend guessed all the fake places from season 2 too, with less info than Jessi gets (since she is there on set and sees more).

There is LITERALLY no logical reason for the staff to cheat and give Jessi any info (as you claimed in comments below).

well it's copyright not patent if anything, coz you need to register for the patent, and the company can do it only after he gives the program. So he could have negotiate before the even brought it for testing to the company.

I think how the company has the right to the program is an important detail, and unless they explain everything the employees create belongs to the company, the only explanation is Ban Seok did not use his brain and now he is screwed.

As for the workplace and copyright laws in Korea: "A work created by an employee during the course of performing the employee’s duties will be deemed a work-made-for-hire" from this it says that it affects the products that were made at work (while performing employee's duties) hence his small home project could not be own by default by the employer.

Unless the contract case, but then we also see Han Soo create and program his own shit, and he is not written as a character who would be like "oh yes, just take all of my shit away".

I love the show, but it does annoy me how vague they were about the detecting program and how much right to it Ban Seok has and why so little, when it's such an important part of the plot at the moment...

It was not at first, And that's my problem, him just giving it to the company puts him in a "I'm an idiot" box. He should have at least try to get something out of it. There was literally ZERO reasons from him to trust the company that they will not create problems from him, as the company from the start was not trustworthy and he was screwed so many times. I just do not understand why he did not even try to play the cards he had, and he just gave up on them.

I'm a bit annoyed that they did not explain who holds the rights for the detecting errors program. Coz if Ban Seok just gave up the rights without getting anything from it, he is an idiot on a whole new level. But if they officially did not transfer the right, Hanmyung Electronics legally cannot use it without his approval. So he could be like: Okay, I will leave, but I'm taking that program with me and you can't use it.

It is his private intellectual property that was developed by him at home, using his own materials etc. And had nothing to do with his current job. I would love for them to explain better on what grounds Hanmyung Electronics can basically steal it and fire Ban Seok.

Well, he was not really just any normal commoner. He would be killed anyone, since he was involved in the silver conspiracy, he was an imposter who pretended to be Wang Zhi to gain political power and money and steal the silver from the royal family 🤣

I'm just here alone, sailing on Wang Zhi and Tang Fan ship 🙃

His acting is not that good. I don't buy excusing it as "character type". Seen many socially awkward and indifferent characters, with better line delivery. For me it's the placement of the pauses in his lines, sounds not that natural.

That said, I started to like his awkward acting. While it's not believable, I find it cute 🤣

Okay, yeah, I checked just now, and he took it right after, my bad. Even with that - he committed the same crime twice, but acted as if it was one time mistake for the sake of the father, which it was not.

And that's my problem with him - he kept questioning why Dong Man treats him the way he does as if it's unfair, when he knew himself he stole twice, and the 2nd time cannot be even slightly justified compared to the first amount.

And I get him not coming forward with "oh yeah btw I stole the money 2 times". But he should not not act as if questioning his morality and his right to be a police officer is out of the line, coz it was a one time mistake.

He did it after he got caught, it was obvious he is not suppose to do it again, and he was let go only because it was his first offence, done for the sake of dad's health.

Also, 19 is not a child. Teenager sure, but at that age stealing is nothing something one has to wander if it's bad or good. Especially since he was confronted and caught by the police. His age cannot be an excuse here. ESPECIALLY since he applied to police university. (edit: yeah I just checked, he stile both time one after another, still... he committed the crime twice, but acted as if it was unfair to be harsh on him "coz it was one time mistake for the dad").

For me it was obnoxious, coz he acted like a victim, when he was the one who committed the crime. He questioned Dong Man's attitude towards him, being aware the attitude is justified, coz he in fact commit the same crime twice. Realistically speaking, Sun Ho should not be in police university.

So for me they are both obnoxious. One acts like a victim of the situation as if he is unjustifiably judged and punished, when he knows it's not true. The other acts self-rightious and is not willing to admit he might be wrong, being driven by his emotions.