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Ugh pls stop making seasons. I don't want this to become the norm for kdramas...

I'm really not sure what makes you think the writers were portraying her as an angel. It's clear there is no angel at all in this show. Every character is grey. Everyone in this drama does things for themselves and put themselves first. It's just compared to other characters in this drama, SSR is not as evil. No one says she's some innocent perfect woman. SSR's goal is to get revenge for herself and her daughter. Obviously, she won't care about CSJ's problems and her getting abuse. She is no saint. Plus, didn't CSJ choose that marriage herself?
SSR is forgiving to OYH because OYH AT LEAST has remorse for what she did, not only because she helped her daughter before, out of kindness. What did CSJ do? She hired her daughter not, not to be nice, just because it's what she needed. Most importantly, she feels no actual remorse for anything.
You're right that she was incompetent not to have noticed her kids were getting abused, but IDK where you're getting the idea that the writers ever claimed she was a great mother. It has been reiterated several times that SSR has committed several mistakes herself (like not being a good mother to Seol A and the twins), and clearly, she got her own punishment by losing her daughter (and now probably Logan).

Don't worry, she's one of the few people who ACTUALLY feel remorse for what she did so she wants punishment too hahaha

Cried like sh*t in Episode 14. Just when you think one sad event is over, they throw in another tearjerker T_____T Literally cried for half the episode lool
Still can't help but cry just seeing those snippets of this ep!!

I'm not sure how that really justifies their characters because the point is, moving Min Seol Ah's corpse and covering the truth of the death up is illegal. Doesn't matter who killed her or how she died. You got caught, then you deserve to suffer the consequences for your poor decision. Doing illegal stuff to protect your own interests is still wrong. Not even feeling a bit bad for it is just despicable. Blaming other people for your own wrongdoings/misfortune is also horrible. People like this are the most frustrating because they never think they're wrong when they're...clearly wrong.
Yes, this drama is evidently full of grey characters. No one is completely innocent.

Yeah, they totally ruined him this season. I was sooo mad and disappointed. And I pretty much fastforwarded through all his scenes with Seo Jin. But it seems they are redeeming his character now tho. I mean, at least he was the only one that actually felt remorse for what he did. He's still done a lot of shitty things though, but I think the show is going in a positive direction with his character. (Unless they do another 180 degree turn in the next season lol)

Well, the thing with OYH is she did it because she was very drunk, so I think the main point is she had no idea what she was doing. Obviously, she had very dark thoughts inside her which pushed her to do it, but she's genuinely not an evil person so I think Soo Ryeon and Logan are aware of that. I wouldn't say "everyone just moved on" because only like two people knew that she killed someone and one of them is 'dead' lol
Logan is helping her also because they have a mutual enemy. More than avenging Min Seol Ah right away, he is more desperate to take down the people who killed Soo Ryeon (as he likes her) and OYH is one of the only people who can help him do that. I wouldn't say she's painted as a "victim" in this season, but she's more just fighting against people who are even more evil. She did say she only wants to get revenge and will eventually pay for her sins after that (which she does). She and Logan also see getting revenge for Soo Ryeon as a way to make up for what she did.

Jesus christ, I feel like I dislike Jenny's mom, Min Hyuk's parents, Jenny and Min Hyuk the most after watching the finale... lmao. I mean they are clearly not as twisted as the others, but it's probably the fact that I've accepted people like Joo Dan Tae and Seo Jin are twisted and supposed to be villains... Whereas Ma Ri, Gyu Jin and his wife were pretty useless side characters who are literally just full of themselves and have no regard for other people, whatsoever. Gyu Jin and his wife especially have not had much character development.

But seriously, it is just so ridiculous that after all the things that have happened, witnessing a bunch of deaths and murders RIGHT under their nose, they all still feeel NO REMORSE for the things they did. Like helloooo? You did something ILLEGAL. Never mind taking the initiative to own up to it, but if you get caught, ACCEPT the consequences. It totally pissed me off that they were still trying to lie and say they didn't do it. And Jenny and Min Hyuk were even more ridiculous. Like really? Blaming and bullying the poor girl who almost died for your parents' wrongdoings? Do these people not understand why the law exists? Jenny and Jenny's mother are such a disappointment since it seemed like their characters were turning over a new leaf. Yet, whoopdeedooooo, they are becoming totally disgusting characters again. ESPECIALLY disappointed in Jenny. I loved seeing Jenny and Rona becoming good friends, but now, that's all ruined.

I AM glad that Yoon Chul's character seems to be going in a positive direction, though he has done a lot of horrible things this season. I still sincerely hope Yoon Chul, Yoon Hee, and Rona can be one happy family by the end of Season 3. I actually am still a bit skeptical whether Rona is really Yoon Chul's child. I feel like there's still a possibility that Yoon Hee only told him this to make him suffer.

Also hope to see Rona, Seok Hoon and Seok Kyung be best friends in the next season loool. Now that Rona has lost Jenny as a friend, she needs more love!!! I just want to see good things happen to them in the next season, especially for Rona and Seok Hoon's romance!!!

As for Logan, I don't wanna bother predicting whether he's dead or not, since anything is possible in makjangs lol. Poor Soo Ryeon though.... How many deaths does she have to witness???
Really wonder what role Joo Dan Tae will play in the next season, and how he'll maybe get out of jail?? A bit disappointed that Jenny's dad is still on Joo Dan Tae's side... I initially thought he'd play a big part in taking Dan Tae down...but now I'm not so sure... Just pretty ridiculous that he's still helping some guy who's sentenced to jail for life and has lost everything. Like what good does he get out of it??? I guess he's just a cruel guy to begin with. The kids DID say he's a scary guy.

I just hope Season 3 can end on a good note, with people ACTUALLY showing remorse and getting their happiness in the end.

Hahaha yeah, it's definitely a mess!! But maybe it won't seem as a bad now since you know what happens ;)

Yes, you're right. This kind of stuff just gets tiring after a while. And the writers literally just throw anything in to make it "thrilling" with no regard to whether these actions make sense to their characters or whether it's proper character development or not. The plot twists are not surprising anyway. It's all typical makjang elements that everyone has seen before. It is indeed very tiring to watch similar crazy stuff happening again and again. And when barely any characters are likeable, it's annoying to watch after a certain point. I'm also afraid of what they're gonna do to the characters in another 13 episodes...but I hope they'll take the ridiculous makjang down a notch and just wrap things up instead of going overboard with the drama. It IS the last season after all...

yes, clearly she is. But you still can't say she did it "on purpose". Completely different from Joo Dan Tae.

Lol, let met just remind you that this is a makjang. There can be a billion fake deaths. Half the things that happen in makjangs are barely logical anyway. Also, the way the showed her suicide pretty much tells you there's gonna be more to it. Even with Rona's death, it was obvious there could be another story to it since they filmed it pretty ambiguously.

??? Yoon Hee did not really kill on purpose. She was drunk. She wouldn't have done it if she was sober. Seo Jin running away from her dying father in the rain is no worse than that.

Yeah gosh why couldn't they just have let Yoon Hee and Yoon Chul take revenge together and just let the damn ship sail?!?!!! It would have been so satisfying to watch!
I already had a bad feeling when Yoon Hee and Seo Jin RANDOMLY slept together after running into each other (like da fck), but when I saw how Yoon Hee and Yoon Chul got married and actually clearly like each other, I thought THANK GOD, maybe Yoon Chul is not stupid after all.
But then, when he paid off Rona's accompanist I was like "!!?!?!!!! Nvm, I don't ship them anymore. " But inside, I know I still kind of want Yoon Hee and Yoon Chul together T____T
It's okay if they don't cuz Yoon Chul is an absolute asshole, but Yoon Chul and Seo Jin just better not get back together. Those two neeeverrrr showed signs of loving each other at all in Season 1, and now, all of a sudden, I'm supposed to believe they have feelings for each other after all??? All cuz of this Eun Byul incident?
Just makes me roll my eyes. I can't pity these two at all. I guess I can kind of justify Yoon Chul's actions by assuming maybe he feels he can't be with Yoon Hee anymore so he should protect Eun Byul and his mother. But it still makes me gag seeing Yoon Chul and Seo Jin wailing and crying like they love each other.

They totally ruined Yoon Chul's character!! Like in the first season, he actually showed signs of being a decent person who had SOME kind of morals??? He even scolded Eun Byul for bullying Rona. But no, suddenly, he chooses the wrong way to make things up to his daughter. I honestly truly think he cared about Ro Na, but he feels bad for leaving Eun Byul and knows she's sick, so he was pressured into making the wrong decision. I can understand covering up Eun Byul's murder cuz it is a very serious and shocking incident that could lead you to make twisted decisions, but TBH, I don't think paying off the accompanist and having him even consider killing Rona really made much sense at all. The writers clearly made him do it just to twist his character up. Like why the hell would he suddenly be so easily swayed by Seo Jin's pleads? Writers, is there a need to make every single character a train wreck???? Does that really make a drama good???

IMO, the only reason why makjang dramas like this have people watching is because we like to hate people and we want to see how they'll get punished in the end. But honestly, the writing in this show is just lazy and just throws in shock factors with horrible development. All the makjang elements are so predictable (like fake deaths, people who look alike). Some things don't even make sense. (Like wtf was the point of having Ma Ri and Gyu Jin kiss each other??)

I think the only reason why I'm still watching is cuz I want to see my Rona and Seok Hoon ship. I don't think anything actually has me hooked to this show.

oh boy, a lot of things happen. Brace yourself cuz this is gonna be a messy paragraph lmao

I dunno where you’ve watched up to but Yoon Chul and Yoon Hee get married but it’s like a contract marriage cuz they wanna take revenge. But it was CLEAR they actually have feelings for each other and the show GAVE US HOPE that this ship could SAIL. But NO. Shit goes downhill instead.

Basically Eun Byul hurts Rona, so Yoon Chul and Seo Jin think Eun Byul is a murderer. Yoon Chul protects her daughter by hiding the truth, pays someone to admit being Rona’s murderer and tries to erase her memories... He even thought of killing Rona once and for all when she was in a coma cuz Seo Jin begs him to. (Total asshole)

Seo Jin also wails and goes like SORRY YOON CHUL I LOVE YOU. COME BACK TO ME. EUN BYUL AND I NEED YOU. At first, Yoon Chul goes like, I just want to protect Eun Byul, I don't love you. I only love Yoon Hee. Then, he divorces Yoon Hee cuz he thinks he doesn’t deserve her. >.> But even then, he also claims to Seo Jin that it doesn’t mean he’s going back to her.

But then like half an ep later, Seo Jin and Yoon Chul start acting like they really care about each other. Seo Jin tries to leave Dan Tae (esp cuz she finds out all the crap Dan Tae did to bring her down plus she supposedly loves Yoon Chul now) but he has proof of Eun Byul “being a murderer” and he knows what Yoon Chul did to cover it up so he blackmails Seo Jin to go on with the marriage (cuz he wants her money / company). Seo Jin has no choice but to stay with him to protect Eun Byul and Yoon Chul.
When Yoon Chul confronts Seo Jin about going on with the marriage, Seo Jin chokes back tears and lies saying that she was just lying to him to get him to divorce Yoon Chul, and it looks like Yoon Chul actually cares that she's getting married to him like this is some sad tragic love story zzZZzzzz


What pisses me off is the fact that this show is suddenly trying to make us pity Seo Jin for being blackmailed and sacrificing herself for her daughter and for Yoon Chul like she’s being sooooo selfless. Sorry, at this point, I can’t feel sorry for Seo Jin for ANYTHING cuz she totally deserves all of this.

On Seo Jin and Dan Tae’s wedding day, Dan Tae frames Yoon Chul for being Rona’s real murderer, and Seo Jin goes like NOOOOOOO and runs to find Yoon Chul. Yoon Chul admits to everything to protect Eun Byul and again, it’s like we’re supposed to feel sorry for this couple sacrificing for each other *_* Again, sorry, I can’t feel sorry for EITHER of them.

UGH. Basically any scene of them crying and acting like they care about each other makes me roll my eyes. Can’t sit through it at all.
These two seriously better not end up together or I will strangle someone.

Totaaaallyy shipped Yoon Chul and Yoon Hee in the beginning of this season but omfg the writers just had to ruin EEVERYTHINGGGGGG.
Yoon Chul is such a fcking asshole, and the writers totally ruined his character. Won't comment about the obvious reasons of his selfish acts for his daughter, but his storyline with Seo Jin just makes me gag this season. One minute he says he loves Yoon Hee, then the next minute he acts like he totally love Seo Jin. LIkke WTF dude make up your damn mind!
And I especially hate how all of sudden the writers are trying to make it like there's some deep SAD LOVE STORY between Seo Jin and Yoon Chul after all the shit in Season 1 and like they truly love each other after all. LIKE OH PLS. From the beginning, it was obvious Seo Jin is just a possessive control freak and loves nobody but herself. All the men she's involved with is simply because she wants to claim possession over them.
Literally could not stand the sight of those two together. Had to fast forward through all their scenes.
Most of the characters have such bad character development, it's not even funny. (Same with Yoon Hee in S1) Just trying to make things a crazy train wreck on purpose. But I guess the fact that it's a train wreck makes it addicting for viewers. I stand by what I said in S1, people are really loving this because people have been away from full-on makjang dramas like this for too long

My only hope is Rona and Seok Hoon now. PLS DON'T RUIN THEM T_____T They are kids!! I think they have suffered enough. Don't ruin them in S3 plsssss

Ugh. I hate this show for ruining my ship. (see spoiler)
And I especially hate watching Seo Jin and Yoon Chul this season.

This drama is not for the weakhearted for sure and you have to have patience. But anyone who has seen hundreds of dramas of different genres probably won't find this drama that amazing. Like yes, it has plot twists, but the plot twists in this drama just make it seem like the writers threw them in there for the sake of twisting the plot up. Shock factor just for the sake of having shock factors. It's not anything unpredictable. It's just a matter of whether the writers are willing to go down the illogical route (which they obviously did)
Dramas like this really shouldn't be too long. It just starts turning into a train wreck like American shows that have a billion seasons. Even those morning makjang dramas aren't as much of a wreck as this is. I think this show tried way too hard to put in all possible makjang elements together. Making everyone unlikable to make the viewers' blood boil isn't really considered good writing. In fact, it just makes it tiring to watch, especially when pretty much only bad things happening with barely any satisfying retaliation moments. But I think people have been away from the makjang genre too long so that's why they're eating it up. People do like to watch trashy TV every once in a while lol

Don't look at ratings on duboku... Those are very unreliable. It's not even an official streaming platform and you can't tell how many people gave those ratings. You want to look at Douban if you're looking for Chinese site ratings.

wtf??? slaves??? Even a MAID is not to be called a slave??? Sheesh.
And a manager is DEFINITELY nowhere near a slave. They are more of a partnership who manages the actor's career and thinks about what jobs will help his career. They are not SLAVES who exist to run errands for him nor is the actor their owner.