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wait i know that we agree i just totally lost my train of thought and got your words mixed up (dyslexia sorry) so i know you're not condoning who he is lol.
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not really because columbus isn't a hero. no 2 ways of looking at it. and those history books exist now. american history isn't taught well at all and even global history isn't taught well if it would be either. all books are going to be pretty edited by our state (as in governments) so that's why it's up to teachers to do that work. but the solution would be to teach children from the beginning the truth. as a black american who has literally read about slavery not being that bad and had to pretend to do some sort of slave simulation in my all black middle school that is way more traumatic than children having their stupid hero ripped away. it's crazy how i can look back and have those experiences and i'm so young. but i think OP kind of meant that they could understand SK's public for it just the words being a bit clumsy. satire can work if it's by people who are doing their due diligence and actually know how to punch up.

but mostly i wanted to reply bc i love that you said you had to do more research. unlike most people who could give less of a shit. if you do, what you find will be hurtful. comparable to what you outlined. not in its details and exactly but it's the flagrant and flippant denial. this time in the form of trying to ignore what the government did to its people. learning about SK more as i moved out of kpop and its history has really helped me so much with my historical understanding and to be more progressive. it makes us realize the potential we all have and to put all the mistakes we could see in a kdrama into context and see what is our cultural bias, what should be criticized, and what we can learn from the people who are trying to say something/push back against a force or whatever. the comments here really seem to think these people are just idiots and wouldn't say what you did, "i don't know enough here, i can kind of understand it though, and i will have to research" as simple as that man.....sigh :(

in my country there's this really famous movie where a black german falls in love with a nazi and it totally ignores the backdrop of the pesky holocaust and pesky death and forced labor and racial issues. they were like ugh whatever, you know? cause who cares! nothing is sacred anymore. and cancel culture didn't get to it in time thank god! it was a terrible movie, with shit history, bad acting, and stupid things to say but at least we all didn't see it, amirite?

also in my country once our president's wife said "slavery wasn't that bad" and she continued to be rich and famous and useless and stuff ... her husband did go on to sow some of the worst policies for black people and continue the #uncanceled legacy of his predecessor who hid papers about how many people my country was killing in vietnam but. but. thank god the internet didn't exist back then, right? i mean she'd be totally canceled!!!! and then there wouldn't be ANY movies or ANYTHING made about how AWESOME and altruistic they are!!!!!!

about a week ago some dude with a youtube show started mocking black people on air for millions of peopl eto see so they could fall down the alt-right pipeline and he's being mocked but ugh after he harrassed that gay guy and called him the f word a bunch of times on his show for millions of people to see he just wouldnt go away! hopefully cancel culture won't get to him THIS time. because nothing WOULD be safe. it's not as if there's generations of things that are disgusting and reprehensible being made and accepted. it's not as if that's normal. noooo no no it's the people who want nothing to exist at all. and that's why the royal family got canceled has no money and the people hate them....oh wait...

for people who would easily say "stop asian hate" you seem to have 0 understanding of it. i am a black-american but since i have actual curiosity and depth, consume korean media, like humanity, and i want to know about the way that we relate to the world, i pay attention and actually listen to words they say. i will give you a probably bastardized version of history (i never said i was a major sory yall but there's so many things u can pick up by LEARNING about the things u stare at for hours in a day goddamn) and if, by the end of this, you can't seem to understand then i will just assume you have 0 brain cells.

1. peasant revolution fails, donghak members murdered
2. japanese occupation officially soon thereafter
3. japan becomes largest non-western imperial force, is now on the axis
4. WWII - america takes a billion years to join the war because we're disgusting and suck, then we start interning japanese people here, then we bomb japan. however, allyship and influence etc becomes more pronounced. i assume this is where US-SK alliances rise; both heavily interested in militarization.
5. 1950, summer of terror
5.5 / ongoing; things that are majorly affecting the globe and specifically SK: korean war cold war vietnam war. small operation for the iraq war (disgusting, i know!)
6. protests happening all over the globe because of military invasions, coups, and dictatorships. protesting imperialism and control....
7. gwangju uprising....2k people tortured, raped, killed.
8. now - an imperfect place allied with imperfect places (US) , one that just like here relies on capital and complacence. life

so after all that you're saying that korean citizens should be okay with having a show that absolves their government of all responsibility? that literally lies and implicates North Korea instead of THEIR GOVERNMENT? it was their government colluding for their gain to control the people. and people are actually using their voices for this massive collective important good. another user likened it to the holocaust denial and they are correct in which it is NOT. ALLOWED. in countries in the EU, okay?

south koreans are not some fucking people without education or understanding of the world. people are weird and can go overboard. if the reason for exorcist's cancellation was the foods and it wasnt a big deal then man idk what to say. but i also know if i cared that fucking much i'd go and research it. i am assuming those aren't comparable though. so if a company buckles under pressure over something stupid that is their problem, not the citizens.

watch 60 day survivor if you dont feel like using your brain and researching and say, i dont know, caring about the people you want to watch. it's how i learned about summer of terror. it isnt perfect but it calls out how dangerous what SK did was, obsession with imperialism and with the US government to blame NK, social issues, covering some labor stuff which is IMPERATIVE TO ALL THEIR MOVEMENTS BTW and a critique on the reliance of the US.

afucking especially if ur gonna say stop asian hate then you should learn a little goddamn something because where we are now is directly related to how they got to get away with murdering 2k students. people ar enot okay with being harmed and every country is capable of speaking up and out against it. there's radicals everywhere and when people in the public pick something like this up? yea we should support it. just because you don't know anything about movements or shit like...theat doesnt mean it isnt there. christ. to deny it means it happens again. that we can keep asking questions on its validity, so we can continue the status quo. to deny it means we continue on this trajectory where south koreans feel unsafe domestically and abroad. got it? parasite wasnt made for ur brains to excuse this shit move on from being a koreaboo please for the love of god

(yes im angry bc it is UPSETTING. there's so much pain that you don't care to explore or sympathize with? jesus. do you know how connected we all are? is it just becaue you're thinking about your pleasure individually? do you know what that history looks like and how psychotic and sad it is that we are literally to this day continuing it? and you're gonna be like, "makes sense to lie." there's so much propaganda in kdramas but it's clear there could not be a single nuanced conversation about it. but shame on you for ignoring the massive pain. this is millions of people's lives.)

for some reason a user replied to me then blocked me. but for scout atticus who intentially misused the word fascism, they are not fascist for asking for this after this is outlined. unless you were joking, that is misinformation and a lie.

they dont like that their government is glorifying and ignoring the fact that....their government murdered its own people. i think that might be it. i'm not sure if you read it but very clearly up there it says 200 german-koreans were murdered because they were thought to be north koreans. and to put this fucking plainly for ALL of you the german koreans fled from the third goddamn reich. and oh boy surprise a lot of this has to do with america (HEAVILY) so what are you talking about? seriously you know absolutely nothing about their history or culture if you type this and find it acceptable. i'm sorry this is full of anger but you absolutely cannot say this isn't a big deal. if something like this tried to be on in other countries we sure as fucking would have a fit. it's not only korea's history either but globally. i can't even understand how it has to be explained to people in the comments the absolute horrors of all this and how interconnected it is. and how much america and SK fucked up with the red scare as well. how are you all so confident to write about this?

i need you to understand what fascism means before you use the word. like.....lmao

it seems a lot of you do not understand what you're talking about in these comments. and by seems i mean you don't. and it's disgusting for you to not
https://apjjf.org/-Charles-J.-Hanley/2827/article.html

if you care so much about what you see and the cultures around it then you need to understand this is unacceptable. i don't know what happened with the exorcist show but this is not the fucking same. grow up.

edit: the sheer lack of knowledge or even logical conclusions btw. do you think these movements and protesters would even support corporations like this? like the kids they are trying to write about? they'd think this is a fucking farce. or at least many would if they weren't killed. they were fighting for their right to live and demanding their government change and HELP them (labor! is! so! important! in! sk! history! morons!) so no there is no infinite well of money for people to just make their own things. are YOU rich? god.

god i am so fucking sad rn. i dont think ppl understand how much this means

i'm so late and idek if you will see this but i am interested! well actually a question is it more focused on the relationship of bromance with regards to PRC, soft (or hard) power, and our rship to it? sounds interesting!

yea but a lot of ppl r actually struggling. it doesnt matta! these internet detectives need 2 chill. i am an artist and i LUV pirating ill beg ppl to pirate everything i do <333

He has improved dramatically

It is not your fault and ppl r going through sfm ignore shit like that it is so rude and condescending holy fuck like fuck u for wanting to enjoy this lol there’s 24 eps of subs if u don’t have em

Sometimes his character is extremely unlikeable and not in a good way. I find in c novels there’s a really weird sense of right and wrong where they want to show these grey areas as equal but ZZS is growing from the start while WKX stays in revenge mode. A lot of it is my preference but the whole point is redemption, family, moving on and WKX is literally incapable. As much as ZCL misgudged, he, unlike WKX, is a child. I actually spoiled myself for the book and when I found out about it I didn’t want to read the book bc I hate the idea of no character growth but then I remembered even if I don’t find it totally satisfactory a book of this kind (Mxtx heaven’s official) there’s a progression and understanding and we get to see that the god of the underworld is tolerable and loving in an imperfect and weird way.

Like someone else said it is zzs journey and it is so intriguing that way and if wkx axctually listened to him. That being said the chemistry gland funness do a lot but I do rly be frustrated

Source?

It isn’t wrong to obtain sry files. I did the same. Thank you for sharing this and helping people out and not being a narc. Jesus Chris the self righteousness

No one shared illegal links

are there no subs for 25-28? just wondering if i'm not missing srts.

enjoying the show

if you cant do the free 3 month sub and if i find something i will share it. there are places you can watch that have at least up to 16 just google it (assuming you haven't.) oh another thing go on subscene and you can get the subs. get the raws of the episodes (again, google, and they are abundant!) and use a program like VLC or something where you can stream the raw in the video program from the raw's source and input the subs for the raw video into your program's subtitle track. there are subs up to ep 24. looks like this kinda has to be that last result since i can't find anything else and i'm too lazy to torrent.

here's a long-ass comment i wrote to someone else on db but c/p:


i think the writers backed themselves into a corner here. your comment got cut off and hopefully you can finish the thought later (if you so choose.) i agree with everything you said!

i see some issues in the way the story is received now that it’s ended.

1. interpreting this as a gay story in the literal sense
2. discarding SO YONG’s self and her womanhood which is integral to the story / discarding anyones womanhood and/or precarious situations (IE being poor, being a gisaeng, etc)
3. gender confusion in the end

my issue in the plainest terms is that, in the original, we get a happy ending in the most clear cut sense. SY goes to the present, BH stays in the past. i say they could have gone further and just made them have souls projected or some shit with SoBong mix in the past, and SY alive as BH in the present (however she sees fit to live this life.) this is interesting because so yong is living as a man in SK. a man who (pre accident and post accident is a hero) had money, was a cis man in 2021 SK, worked at the blue house, and, like all men, didnt have the respecting woman juice bug.

it would be cool to see how SY could have lived in the present as a cis man (on the outside.) how she would choose to live going forward is up to her; would she keep her appearance? would she have ease as BH the way BH did for her? could they still have the ideas of the mind and know themselves in the body? since, essentially, So Bong is that idea. and this is all philosophical too like literally ONTOLOGY! the show delves into philosophers and thinkers so it could have done this from a philsophical standpoint (and hello! they seem to be on a kick these days post-stranger like sisyphus?!??! but you know…lol)

i wont regurgitate what you said beause you’re absolutely correct (IMO~~ not that it matters) bc the show is all about autonomy and ownerhsip and living HAPPILY especially for the people who do not get to determine that life. that is largely to say the women in this story, the women of joseon. sidenote: i do not know as much about korea and its sociopolitical history as i would like but like all movements, the labor movement (what would evovle from the peasant rev) is very very very masculine and not open to genfder and sexual minorities worldwide. isnt it interesting that such a heavy movement (starting from donghak in the show) is so so female centered? the whole show is an estrogen fest in the best way ?

so for people to miss that all of that IS so yong is sad. because sobong is so yong. and so yong is so bong just like bonghwan is. they chose each other. them kissing each other is a mark of a transfer of souls or some kindred spirits or something. it’s alarming that people miss the point of how crucial this selfish man going into this desperate woman’s body is. how her suicide was to save her mind but still our interpretation is that a man saved her and took over for her. as if bong hwan wasnt hugely flawed which is why he worked for so yong because she couldnt have the chance to discover that on her own because of her place. gee wouldnt it be interesting if we took away that, maybe, women have a right to exist? that maybe bong hwan was majorly flawed, narcissistic, disrespectful to WOMEN and that his life turns upside down and he learns what its like to have NOTHING for yourself. to be a woman who is told she is nothing because of her existence, because of men, because of money and power. and for BH to truly be shocked at how horrifically she was treated.

this is why i go so far as to say that CJ with all versions of queen cheorin make sense. he didnt give a shit about her frailty and that is the catalyst for her realizing htat she has to rely on herslef. her suicide was her CHOICE. so what if it’s negative, unsavory, cowardly; she got to decide for once.

hwa jin’s end especially (i stopped mid ep 18!) i love. she knew she was gonna go insane and we hated her for it. but she chose HERSELF.

but this is where the writers need to explain the gender and sexuality thing comes at the fault of them and also our society~ (lol) and us as viewers. it is queerbaiting in the sense that gender is confusing or whatever and if you’re GNC or NB you (AFAIK correct me if im wrong someone) are in every sexuality. sure people may have missed that but we’re so stuck on and obsessed with BOY OR GIRL? GAY OR NOT? (i’m not saying you as a user have done this, just ing eneral) that when we fight against just going with the flow which the show does for its whole run until its final explanation hits it bits us in the ass. now the questions are: was h eboy all along? which lol

no doubt SK is conservative (and no doubt they present gender and sexuality differently as well but one thing no matter how progressive or conservative places are—and you know, most are conservative because that’s how capitalism gets us and we’re just going against the current sorry couldnt help myslef—our societal ills stay so MASCULINITY and ideas of sexuality permeate and are constant through the world. fear fo gayness, femninity, no gender, transness, whatever it is) but the questions i am asking are
– why did it have to end that way? was this planned? since the source material is different. if the writers think the trajectory makes sense, why? and if not, what would they change?
– what was their intention?

from a technical standpoint, i think the ending does not support hwat the show has shown. just in literal set up and execution. that is a minute problem though in the grand scehme of things. in terms of story, what does this mean for BH and SY and CJ? why wouldnt he notice her? but i can pretend all of that doesnt exist and handwave and pretend it is so bong and CJ (which it is, until the end.) what is so hard to have So Bong exist? what doesnt make sense about that in a fantasy? why this ending?

i’d like to know if it was fear or if they couldnt accept that ending. it’s possible and that makes it unacceptable. or did it just not make sense to them? or it owuldnt to the viewers? in which case: jesus christ who cares. the show does a good job of propelling itself but it seems the gender question is just too fucking pressing that it put itself into its own corner. which you know fair enough. it manages to sustain itself even with that blunder but it’s like why and now why does it seem that the point of all that is missing. what could they have done differently to drive this point home? and really what can we all learn from it?

as a cis person this has taught me a lot oabout gender and my thoughts. i am inclined to this type of thought naturally and admittedly i do want to be a pretentious artist dumb bitch social justice warrior ? but even with all the things i know, the things i’ve done, when it comes to radical shit i’m still learning SO MUCH. there’s so much history i dont know, so many prejudices i still habor even if i fight against htem an know theyre wrong, privileges i have. this is why media IS important (and why i hate capitalism) bc even me at 29, even me the girl involved in a solidarity union and a resurgence of the black panthers doesnt know shit, hasnt experienced shit, grew up in a shit system too with poor understanding of difference. even as i try and dismantly everything a fucking south korean drama and kurt cobain has me thinking about how absurd gender is and this is SOMETHING I KNEW. there’s so much information to take in and ways we process that information, it’s taken me years to undo the gender industrial complex, and it will continue to take me years. i am a woman and a proud one but as a cis woman i am aware of my own limitations and this world expanded it. and it makes me think harder about my status and what about femininity and womanhood in a cis lens is so important. and that blockade or erosion of that blockade via the show is something i appreciate. the show was saying go with the flow because we dont HAVE TO understand it. we dONT. it’s just gender. it means everyhting and nothing all at once. but it had to be explained so much to its own detriment when it was already saying so much of what needed ot be said. hopefully many a non cis people found it compelling (and if anyone wants to LMK what they thought of the end from any perspective but that one specifically i am interested cos yea!)

missing her < / 3 even tho im not gonna finish the three eps i have left for months bc im so depressed about it ending lmao

joseon. power. couple.

edit: btw for ppl unsure about the show it's literally a political satirical drama. it's a romcom. it's so funny. the reason so much discussion could be head is because it's heavy-hitting and insanely funny and silly at the same time. it will make you Think (as it should) but feel good. do it. do it. do it. watch it. you wanna.

it's a hilarious show. genuine comedy.