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this is the onyl ep i havent rewatched. i forgot about this part. holy shit theyre so wonderful. remember when he asked her to stop :( AUGH

there's some things i've noticed about discussions on here which can make it very un-user friendly (but i am glad that it isn't censored, sincerely, bc that would make it worse)
- people cannot handle disagreements or discord and if it comes up you're overreacting for replying like a normal adult OR a fascist
- long comment on discussion board = bad. i guess MDL locks the scrolling ability. and so long comment not working bc my brain?
- if you do not agree on a well-loved show and say one thing off people freak out, but if a well loved show has a second season out and you want to talk about the merits (and downfalls!) of comparison when people bring it up then that is gatekeeping (source: google.com)
- discussion = constant agreement, no differentiating feelings, no new ideas to introduce (did i mention long comment = bad or a script which. therefore to moderate commenting on how long a comment is bc it's too long with nothing to say about the comment adds to conversation! too long also = stupid automatically—so don't read it or skim)
- discussion only good if you jump through the hoops of all of these (which one can't manage so at one point or another you are bound to piss someone off)
- people who think they are nice and flexible are really not at all

maybe i should treat this like youtube comments now lmao but ty for the ppl that interact and talk and share good ideas ^__^

you do not know what gatekeeping is. also you're wrong the mistake is this convo have a great day sweetie and god bless you!

bc i have some learning problems and adhd it takes me a while to absorb which gives me anxiety as an artist. i have to rewatch a lot and sometimes get transcriptts bc the information doesn't go to my brain well all the time. so i end up seeing it a lot and having more info on hand (which people seem to really be rude about on here) i've seen s1 a lot bc i couldn't understand so much of it and i now rewatch s2 eps a lot and i take notes (lmao) it's so fresh in my mind that the connections seem obvious the third time around. i personally think a lot of why some of us like it is cos we enjoy the dialogue too ! the intricacy is really great so i'm glad you can say what we are thinking in a short manner lol. everyone has their own thing goin' on in fos2

go watch s1!! also she is very talented, charming, and hot lmao

have you seen ep 5-6? what did u think~

what's up with your scrolling ability?

i express myself this way not on purpose but bc that's just the way i am. it's really disheartening to see responses like this because i earnestly discuss things and i don't want to be told people don't want to read all of it when they DON'T HAVE TO. what one can do is scroll by. but maybe, just maybe, people can try and understand that some of us may interact with others in ways that seem odd because of something that makes me different from you. a huge part of this is my adhd and learning disability. i wish even this reply can be short but it's very tough for me to engage and be concise which is why i type so much. jesus christ it's actually so rude. you could have asked. on top of that: there is no rule in which things can't be long. i quickly cross all the time.

you also have to understand most platforms dont have that option so that's why i forgot. i don't have to do that rn, there are no spoilers in my comment, and i hope people can see how shitty it feels to hear this. this actually bugs me. you're invalidating everything i'm saying because it's too visually displeasing. fucking scroll

i'm not a kid so don't patronize me thank you,

you don't know what gatekeeping is, clearly, and there is nothing terrifying about the supposed thing i'm doing. disagreement = / = being a fascist.

it's fine to have opinions in fact it is great. this discussion is based on them. but because we are disagreeing, which is fine, i choose to bring my opinion on your mistakes in your presentation. and YOU replied to ME so my response not being what you want when i bring it up is not my problem. you say something, i respond in kind. that's life. if they wanted the same thing twice then watch s1 twice then if you don't understand what im saying lmao

that's not what a gatekeeper is. gatekeeping is about controlling access and it's a social phenomenon. these are all semantics. you present these things as if they are facts but that's my point. the evidence is there.

i don't care what people do or how they interpret however if ur the "hugest fan of the show" it absolutely does not make any sense if you know nothing about the background. maybe it's bc i'm an "artist" but information retrieval is as huge part of understanding. i wouldnt say im the hugest fan at all as i know tiny bits and pieces. so i'm positive people know more than me. also it is very common for drama fans to know even the simplest things. so no i am not gatekeeping and also, even from your definition, that's not really true.

and yes it's different because it's a DIFFERENT SEASON OF THE SHOW!!! but it is still a mystery/thriller. this isn't a serial like law and order. you can say you don't like it, you don't like the direction, maybe one didnt' even like s1 but it doesn't negate the fact that it is still manifesting as promoted. my point is that you said people are shocked because it's different...ok but to be shocked at the direction? and i'm sorry but no way one didn't keep up a little if they loved it!

if you don't like it thats fine then say so but i think the disappointment factor being so attached to s1 (so this is a replica basically) sets yourself up for failure. the pivot was discussed, the press releases are there ("it is very different but still Stranger") the summary completely tells you that. however the tone and themes are the same; whether it succeeds or not will be the answer we need to the question however that is different then expectations one set up in their mind with no flexibility or care to inrepret something new. and yes that is up to the viewer

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NOOOOOO!!

i am a writer with adhd after all u__u dont make fun of me!!!!!

it's a 50k worded essay because i felt like it. u good?

edit: if it's 2 long 4 u 2 read get over it and dont bother me lol i meant to put this behind spoiler tag cos of length and i talk a lot but now im not going 2!! jeez. SCROLL if you don't want ot see it all. it's pretty rude to reply to someone about the length of a comment when we are allowed to input. and it makes me feel pretty fucking bad bc i have learning disabilities and adhd that make me express myself this way because it is all i know how to do. you make people feel pretty stupid for trying to form intelligent conversations but having too many words. i'm sorry if my thinking isn't swift enough for you

i have so many notes and thoughts on this show and it just impresses me. i'm not sure if i feel as much of a connection to s2 because where i am in life but i have to use my brain more that's for sure. with my beliefs and what i know about US history and some global history here and there, this show is really an expression of just how much the state cannot exist. someone on the writing team has to be a fan of abolition because there's no option of one or the other which i think is an amazing, if unintentional, highlight.

i think even domestically it is complicated to understand. though i am going to do more research. the fact that post-occuption, WWII and then 1945 US imperialism is the reason things are the way they are, plus the 1987 student protest assassinations, absolute people suppression, and obvious red scare and propaganda issues (which the show is full of since s1 about how influential propaganda is) really lights my fire again to fight for what i think is right.

i'm not totally gung ho about the business shit but i love LYJ's storyline because s1 gave us this trophy wife who wasn't a trophy wife but a woman who had a person that believed in her. when byung hyun is insulting her and clear of lasting grudges....that scene made an impact. "do you want to go back to the time where you just stood there?" basically although lcj never thought of her that way. and she is more than capable. this time around the women are further in the forefront—even though they were always and are always hand in hand with the core of the show and the message—and that's what makes the struggle powerful.

the enjoyment of this show, for me, has been the weaving off the mystery with the writing and what they want to convey. no one is pure under capitalism but there's no ethical living under being rich and being part of the state apparatus. while people try their hardest to be better they are a part of it (hence complicity.) i doubt the show is advocating to eradicate or defund but it shows just how much "reform" has failed.

i think hsm and hyj have always stood for the "people" ie broader public instead of two people who are cops (all "law" part of "order" = cop to me idc. prison guards, prosecutors, cops. i'll either say that or "the state") but frankly that's why they have to be disposed. the show will never come to that conclusion because this is a delusion anti-capitalist girl's dream but it comes close and definitely definitely puts everything into a perpsective. we're not supposed to take sides we're just supposed to root for our characters (imo)

the dialogue is important. the boredom is necessary. it resonates because there's so much to think about. s1 is also integral to s2, without s1 there is no story for s2. there's the repetitiveness and growth of conversations, the trauma lingering, the relationships, and the world and the way its people have survived and fight within the good and bad. it's just so much shit to talk about honestly and s1 is everpresent in s2. lcj made this happen and who he became and what he did, how he shaped hsm, how he loved his wife, how he cared for his juniors, how he brought hsm and hyj together, how he's one of the best antiheroes of all time and how we see choi bit and tae ha is because of s1 and lcj's presence.

it was so nice to hear his voice in episode 1. one because the cast and crew clearly love each other and thank god and 2 because he is there. also idgaf ep 1 was amazing too cos i love ep 1 of s1 but to keep us tuned in over a burned rope? lmao i'm calling this another GOAT for meeeeeeee

the show extremely givs so much information idk if it's good or bad or if i like it or not but i also dont know shit abt shit. i know more now bc of s*cial*sm but. i remember it took me 5 tries to understand the arms story in s1. i know this one is gonna take a long time and a lot more readings.

someone on DB linked parts of this and i'm reading it. if you can access through a school website or your pub library and have time and want to learn more, give it a try! https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1756061618301782?via%3Dihub ( Dae-Hyun Choe, “Prosecutors’ role and their relationship with the police in South Korea: In a comparative perspective,” International Journal of Law, Crime and Justice 55 (2018), 88-96)

it's amazing and people aren't paying attn enough and/or dont remember or not focusing. i don't even want it to feel like before but practically evrything is tied to season one in an incredibly devestating and traumatizing way. the admiration that people have for hyj and hsm, kang won chul and hsm's relationship as it stands and evolving, how hsm's circle is widened

and the conversation with kang won chul is a call back to the conversation he had with hyj about sdj in s1 .... "i guess i am like them" when underestimating or dismissing sdj bc of his schooling and the way he comes off. obviously less intelligent than hsm but cunning and smart in a completely different way a lot of it being his personality.

this time he contemplated in the same manner, but it was more emotional, and it was "i never had connections" whichhhhhh is also sth they mention constantly due to the nature of the prosecution

LCJ's ghost is littered everywhere in the episodes. the way in which LYJ is treated, why we understand sungmoon daily's significance, the repetitiveness of the stance of being ousted for doing what's right (great example sdj mentioning "sounds like someone" "are you the third?")

hyj's nature coming out but also her frustration being stronger. this time with people she doesn't know (and my faaav choi bit "would you do something if i was implicated?" "i wouldn't do anything...


because you're choi bit who would mess with you"

and most importantly the amplification of women in this world which is what made me appreciate stranger so fucking much. i loved the first season but up until ep 6 it wasn't slow but there's an onslaught of information. but the pacing is great and this show is a POLITICAL thriller so this season being heavy on the politics brings it up even more. i don't think being bored in the beginning episodes were exactly an issue but the way in which things are set up. idk i knew i had to keep going for some reason then by ep 6 of s1 when lcj becomes chief and thye have that standoff THAT was the emotional punch to propel even with the two deaths. could go on FOREVERRRRR even if its' boring as fuck and we get a million more strange episodes i would devour it cos there's just so fucking much to say (life was boring as fuck and not written great i can admit now lmao)

but you don't have the knowledge catocat lmao

yes they did because that's exactly how they advertised it. if they're big fans than they would keep up with it like a lot of us have. not saying you have to like it or anything or that being a more casual watcher, loving the first season but not following the writer and actors etc, means you're less than.

but it had been 3 years since the last one and the summary has been out for what? months? half a year? it is EXACTLY what is going on in the show. so that doesn't make sense. if this isn't what people expected when this was the storyline presented and in the summaries and talks of the show they said over and over again this is more political and focused on this issue than that is certainly a perception problem. lack of attention? that makes no sense lol


also there's TONS of similarities between this season and the last one. i can write a whole essay on it lol but that's completely untrue especially bc of the nature of last season and the same actors (which is a good thing and means the actors loved doing it!)

it doesn't matter really how other people feel and it's cool to discuss. i'm glad lots of people love it. i do, too, but even if you don't like it there's a lack of paying attention then or recalling last season. also nothing is supposed to happen twice. the only reason i can say this with certainty is that i have seen s1 a trillion times. the callbacks and pacing, unraveling, the threads, etc are so tied to s1 it's just the nature of what's happening. and because this is a heavy political topic that goes back to post occupation, WWII, imperialism, korean war, the split of ROK bla bla there's a loooot bth international and even domestic fans have to sit through. this show has always required a certain patience.

i guess that's kind of what i dislike about people acting like the first season was something it wasn't and then not giving s2 room to breathe by ep 4.

an example of what you mentioned would be "save me" and "save me 2" because they had the same name but the only similarity was the cult nature. "save me 2" had a totally different tone, makeup, and was about deception, gentrification, and community. "save me" was strictly in a colony and based on actual cults. a lot of people didn't like that they were seen as continuous. which i get but both were amazing so ??‍♀️ a viewer's gotta pay attn lol

it def will. i almost quit the drama cos ifelt same as you. and imagine if we missed this gem??? but it was SLOW AS FUCK and confusing in the beginning. and when you go back you realize that there was so much potential you weren't aware of and that's what makes me understand or feel like this will happen here. right now we're confused and know as much as they allow. i don think people remember how difficult of a start it was! i'm glad you're rewatching!

in the first season they were nowhere near close. it took like 6 eps for them to work together then there was the wedge from s1 that was like from early eps to mid eps where the viewers and hyj couldn't trust him. i don't feel a lack of etiher tbh bc i think the other components are SO needed

kinda sad that it seems like people's expectations were for a mirror to s1 and also just in general like not as hyped just bc it's a show i love so much. i don't even want to think that the ratings drop is relevant to my enjoyment as a viewer so i will ignore that as well (because it really isn't, it just sucks.)

i have seen s1 so many times, i am a huge fan, and i have watched most of Life and i think that many people forget that s1 was not snappy at all. it was hard to piece together and at times damn near incomprehensible as a bigger picture. the reason we got invested was because around ep 8-10 things started to come together more and you had other bits and pieces put in so we could string more of a follow through in. then ep 12 changed everything. but there were times in s1 where i would COMPLETELY zone the fuck out which is why i have rewatched it so many times because the ending packed a huge insane punch that made the whole thing so much more powerful (that and the way women are incorporated in the story.)

she doesn't want it to be the same drama and it isn't (as it shouldn't be) but with her way of storytelling i can bet the same will come. i already love it right now and am questioning a lot but maybe keep that in mind if you are a fan. if you're not and you don't like it as much (or at all) that's okay too. i feel so tied to the drama but then i remember it's just a show lmao but i think part of why i get kind of upset is that it's been so hard for many to see it as its own work. things must change. it's like when a band you love is still the same band but they change their sound to mature it or explore what they love about their sound more and people aren't receptive. but then you have people who are like "wow amazing."

in terms of the story i am at a loss but i love the momentum by e4 because i really love the suicide case. one thing that does frustrate me is the nature of the drama. the police and the prosecutors are so useless and so destructive and disgusting that their fight is so much selfishness. it's so embarrassing to watch idiots argue over who can be worse than the other lmao.

with that i think that the way the story will unfold is going to be bonkers. like we're kind of out here at a loss. the whole goal is to see who will get what rights or whatever, which is what brings me back to how DUMB this fight is because theyre al such shitty institutions, but the true purpose and why/how it all started will cement. also how hanjo fits into this. i guess i need to read about prosecution and cops more but i'm not going to do that because ew but i wonder what the true main outcome will be because right now there isnt one thing we specifically point to. what does this struggle mean for the future and why now? we shall see.

also there's a clear tension between like class and connections. police academy grads, people in the field, people who aren't etc what people feel they are owed and should be allowed to do. one thing is for sure they all share pompousness in their importance.

the scene at the restaurant and introducing HSM's new teammate was great. i am going to have to rewatch their match in the boardroom! gonna rewatch ep 4 rn, i was half asleep when i clocked in. i lowkey am like choi bit and tae ha are f*cking.....and scheming...

i also am not bothered by them not being partners since s1 it took a long time for their bond to form (and much of that was based on dialogue. needed dialogue and how their mannerisms are the same.) also, there was another tension introduced. hsm really isn't either/or just being the knife just like hyj is as well. we know they believe in so many of the same things and that this case is something they both want to solve. now they have to figure out why things happened the way they did.

it's been 4 episodes so that has to be kept in mind. i also think the writing is great because i don't necessarily miss seeing hsm (or hj) because the other scenes are honestly necessary. the scene with sdj and lyj is actually heartbreaking. i love seeing her because she's a representation of what trauma was caused and is in store and this particular pain all of them faced by the systems they work for being garbage. the sungmoon daily shit is gonna slap. anyway time give it time bc no one knows wtf is happening it's all for the ride