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same about the rewatch. by 3rd rewatch i could rly understand the nuances and language. if i just atched it once i wouldnt feel the way i do.

feel the same as you!

i binged s1 up to ep 12 and then had to wait for the end. i remember where i was and what i was doing when i finished the series (WORKING lmaooooo.)

i remember, at the time, thinking about it waaay different than i do rn but still being floored. the ending i loved but on my rewatch (and subsequent 8 more) is when i Got It. i think the 3rd time i rewatched is when i realized it's a masterpiece for me.

you bring up a really good point and beforehand in the comments i would say that s1 was VERY slow and sort of unsatisfying if you were watching it as airing. by the time i got to the major point with eun soo i was like wow i feel bad for people watching this live!!!!

it's the little things. i didn't know the second ssn was pre-produced too? that's really good actually bc they can think of the script and that's why i think s1 achieved so much bc they got to write it beforehand and that gets tons of kinks out.

anyway i like your optimism! i believe in your belief and i believe in them!!!!

same with US tv. i only watch kdramas if it's tv (or cartoons and comedy shows in the US lol.) films are much better worldwide. kdramas take me to an interesting place and you find stuff like this. or maybe we just want a different worldview idk.

i truly hope so. all the big Moments in the show have been GREAT though like i'll remember the hanging scene, the watch scene, when the detectives came into the room. that kinda stuff. hopefully you are liking it!

right??? a whole three years in a fictional world and the people behind this fictional world. tax evasion would be even more disgusting in context of 2020. and police brutality (both domestically with what happened to a south asian immigrant in SK and globally), and prosecutorial and class privilege and subsequently imperial force. which had to influence the crew and cast regardless if they are as intelligent as we think they are. frankly it would be so insulting to expect a halt. also

we never really got an exactly cheery show considering the happy ending of s1 was uhhhhhh what it was. death and despair is all around them which they keep hammering home (you either die or go along with the bullshit.) the trauma and tragedy of LCJ just hangs in the air and it never goes away and it shouldn't. the stagnation is the corruption not them or the process. how could they possibly NOT be traumatized....

begs the question....what would have satisfied others (again not in a rude way though IK you know that it's just some people here are soooo...)

edited to add: s1 has to be picked over with a fine toothed comb if you're like me (silly and never present) or the type of people who pay attn and Get It immediately and pontificate~a= si ibe can feel that impact. luckily my flighty ass has a huge foundation to go on from s1 and without s1 i could never appreciate this show the way it is deserved. but i would love to hear from a person who starts with s2 (and who likes s2) and see what they say. i almost wish we didn't know about s1 so we could judge it separately but hey. we are only human!

whomstd've could have possibly done it i have like 50860840860486086 theories lmao

i'm not the liar ;)

i idef agree here. the differences in interpretation i think and what it means to us. but also having seen s1 so close to s2 was a super good idea.

aint no one fighting but u

i absolutely did not lol. give me proof and i'll believe you lmao but you don't have any...so that's a lie. goodbye!

nah he just replays them in his head cos hes #smart (not one of my fav parts of the show tbh)

no i dont lmao i didnt reply to you when you said "i respectfully disagree" bc you disagree with me and it's fine. i presented a counter-argument and you stated, "i do not agree." ergo, no response.

a debate isn't an end to a discussion with no further discussion. there's no winner and im not trying to win anything. ...

don't pathologize me replying to discussions on a forum that are out there. i haven't been rude out of nowhere (except a particular user who is a ridiculous harasser.) was i rude? no. my observations are observations. dissent is fine and i am interested in why people do so but if i feel as if there is an explanation or counterargument i will say so. but feel how you feel homie.

now this is so true. i hope the ending is !!!!

the beauty of s1 was the cloud and the presence of someone who was so confusing. when we came back to rewatch it we could appreciate who he was and what he was doing. they're just done in two totally diff ways. we got answers to some things in s2. we got answer to the major question in s1 which was the minister and his bribery case but overall the question for moo sung's death and kim ga young was a confusing mess because of culpability, reasoning, and the prosecution's involvement. in the end we get the satisfaction of knowing what it all meant and who did what and why. this season is just a different set up. i hope the ending is just as impactful in an interesting way. by s1 the progress made by ep 12 was taken back bc of eun soo and what happened to her as well. everything was confusing and then BOOM the latter eps. impactful stuff. it's just too quick to see it all as one. but i think many of us have intimate knowledge w/ s1 lol

im guessing another part is just negligence (remember he was looking up accidents on the bridge and keeps going "'a car accident can happen") i don't think it will be as much of an emotional blow like s1 but i hope it will be a blow regardless

we didnt know anything until ep 13 lol without ep 14 (15?) there is no way we would have understood that conclusion and that is an extreme positive for s1

this was the first thing i remember LJH in (i saw city hunter but didnt remember him) then i saw designated survivor. i hated him and yon se ah in this the first time around. then i realized that their mode of acting for them was perfect and that i just didn't mesh with the execution. but i realized for LJH and SDJ especially (i warmed up to yoon se ah and her acting technique and i love it) the fakeness that comes across as so annoying and fake is well done as he filters in between fake/real self as sdj. i didint' appreciate it and i think it shows way more in s2 because of his fall from grace.

also to note that oh ju seon is taking over for gwang su's posiiton. they are trying to fight paying back fines for tax evasion (they say they have no $) and basically frauding when an audit comes. there's also the question of the car accidents and the sturdiness of the bridge. to be clear though there's two parts of hanjo—lee young jae's share and her half-brother and father's share.

too true. ...

"People are too durable, that's their main trouble. They can do too much to themselves, they last too long." forceful complexity is "our world is not wholly a matter of inference. There are things that we know without asking the opinion of men of science. If you are too hot or too cold, you can be perfectly aware of this fact without asking the physicist what heat and cold consist of. … We may give the name ‘data’ to all the things of which we are aware without inference. " the fake information of the police is also detrimental because no one is safe the cheap tricks ar ea direct opposition to our human nature feelings of "believe the premises because we can see that their consequences are true, instead of believing the consequences because we know the premises to be true. But the inferring of premises from consequences is the essence of induction; thus the method in investigating the principles of mathematics is really an inductive method, and is substantially the same as the method of discovering general laws in any other science. " thank you sm for ur insight

it's nonsensical but you would understand if you read crime and punishment and betrand russel in it they say "those who do not understand show understanding in the misunderstanding" and "a superhero is not real, only a human" (right approach from writer) and our participation as victims is the point of the show while we watch them get paid and nothign in return

i think the space given gives it more gravitas. and di am happy because they are their own people together or alone, you know? but also we see all these other aspects that are fascinating. lee chang jun is one of my favorite characters of ALL time, without him the show would have been so unimportant. the characters in their world make their rship and the way they operate fascinating. idk. i love it too. it is extremely immersive and gripping. i am sure you are not the odd one out. there's always an expectation with a precedent. i've always considered FoS one of the best shows ever tho and i think it deserves a 10 (as far as 10s can go lmao there's no such thing as perfect) but it never got that here either. anyway, you're def not alone.