Did you watch the third ep ? It's explained here WHY it's a bad thing to do what Heo do ... And this scene's making…
i did, i have written a lot on it elsewhere and i cant even express it here. right now im confused honestly. i dont think the writing has been clear enough at all. hahaha
i am really confused about this drama's message. because they're not explicit about capital interests on the parts…
idk if i'm explaining this right...i dont care about the different visions, it's clear which stance these writers want to take and clear that making banks too big to fail and wealth is an EXACT correlation between poverty and societal issues but like...in which way does heo fuck it up? ebsides with prof chae, bc he pushed him. i dont personally think he tried to kill him i do think...IDK WHAT I THINK idk im just confused. lol
i am really confused about this drama's message. because they're not explicit about capital interests on the parts of the korean people (US triggered/caused IMF / asia econ crisis), capitalism, and power. what does heo jae really believe? we shouldn't bail out banks, but what is he restructuring? and what lengths does prof chae think he will go to? and most importantly WHY...like...obviously capital interest but there's not enough information even on the capitalist side...
heo jae's thoughts are obviously a social society in which we want, so prof chae's opposition, even being a capitalist, just makes no sense. there's not enough detail rn, i'm guessing heo is a type to think on the way to freedom u need authoritarianism? but that's not what i'm getting? anyway im gonna watch the next episode. the content should be a bit clearer not just vague ideas of what is wrong with our society
i don't think the economic talk was enough LOL because then we'd have a clearer idea. it's a simple concept, regulating banks or to not regulate banks basically. but we dont know who the pain players in who wants power are
also heo jae, yi hyun, hye joon are all right so......
honestly this show is hilarious...i'm only on ep 2 but WOW LOL
jung ryeo won sure has a knack for picking characters that can be incredibly insufferable and hugely selfish at times... not as bad as witch's court thank god. but an arc that's satisfying is taking quite a while with this writing (good acting in ep 6 tho)
that being said in ep 6, first of all i like that the woman said she did it on purpose. because that is okay and that is suffering. and also i like how prosecutor cha gets to see how unfair it is to berate your mother for the very things she failed to do.
it's so hard to be understanding to someone who is being abused, even with a trauma that hurts you too. and it makes sense why she's pissed, and the mother was being neglectful, and that's a side effect and a problem in itself, but she was so mad at her and the grandmother. they ask, "how could you let this happen to yourself?"
but then how could you let it happen to her? do you see how unfair that is? it's good to show because that was something that really upset me along the way. we're complex of course but as a prosecutor, daughter, human you couldn't think farther than your nose? but then she's in a state of arrested development. anyway hope they keep this character growth goin'
(also the labor case... just reckless but whatever.)
all of this being said....if prosecutor lee was my husband? LMAO. yea, nah. no matter how annoying people are, men can never help it by coming out on top of the selfish cake.
for someone who really uhhhh dislikes capitalism (me) how much does it focus on that aspect do you think (if you…
as an aside: special labor inspector jo is one of my favorite shows now. i am an artist (LOL) but i do some organizing and that show REALLY inspired me to think more and pushed me towards intersectional work understanding industry/capital as what we must attack (not class reductionist models tho.)
what i like/appreciate so much about these satirical korean dramas is the clear historical importance of the labor movement in SK (let's pretend i am not focusing on the clear gender and sexual minority problems within that.)
because so many countries were changing so rapidly due to Things and Stuff (LOL) their movements (if not stamped out by the greater imperialist powers) are much more recent. SK labor movement coming out of the 70s makes it much more fresh as opposed to the complete obliteration in the US of many types of solidarity, and how crushed post like...40s labor was crushed which caused such significant problems within our inequality models.
so it's like, they have this movement, even with a world that's trying to crush everything, they are working from. it's in a specific way within a more homogenous country, and the roots are so much more fresh! the idea of class at least is much more apparent in dramas which is a HUGE advantage to the stance a writer (ostensibly) wants to take if they so choose.
for someone who really uhhhh dislikes capitalism (me) how much does it focus on that aspect do you think (if you…
thank you comrade! i am sober now haha..
i loved SKY castle but i'm not sure if i would watch it again because of that. i think what drew me to it was how i felt close to the children because my parents were so controlling but my life (thank god since it’s the antithesis of what i believe) was very different, we weren’t filthy rich, and knew about an actual world. it would have been interesting if the US “college scandal” had been cracked around that time.
i guess i saw it (SKY castle) more as a parable than a problem. but, as you said, the status games and lies of the rich is actually disinteresting many times and the voyeur or being in their shoes makes it harder to have a solid arc that shows the true evils of what this has done. not only that but, essentially, they didn’t have to give up power. the dichotomy wasn’t pushed far enough and it would have been much more interesting to see it from a more morally antagonistic angle.
i'll have to re-think it! i also couldn’t see anyone talking about the patriarchal shade in this (attempt) at capitalist critique and the recycling of that behavior. like the show is so heavily about men and their roles in families like women. not just motherhood but th demands, pressure, abuses they put women through and how women are pushed to the edge (this is one thing i think they handled semi-well but i rarely saw discussion of it.)
i don't think i will watch a single drama now that doesn't make it clear what the goal is if it is to be a social commentary and it focuses on the rich and their issues.
so in Black Dog SHJ’s character reinforces that that the way to be happy and be a Real Person: do well, get rich, show others that you are capable to enact the same system that put you at odds…funny
oddly enough this was a critique of Parasite, though it’s clearly a different medium and i find that piece of work incredible, the idea of a “failed revolution” that the end is always capitalism wins. i definitely don’t take that away from the work as a piece, but the reception shows that a bit.
he is SUCH a good actor….idk if you liked stranger but it’s one of my fav shows (i watch it a lot , bc i think the writer had some very very specific things to say about men and it’s all about patriarchal terror in life and the state bla bla) but he was SUCH A FRICKIN JERK IN LIFE. i honestly…cant LMAO. i was soooooo mad at him. the show has such heavy players (minus one person) and i wish i coulda stuck with it. i think it was also just a bore, i can handle some poor sociopolitical expression if the acting is so so solid which i think a huge chunk of it was. seeing all these people on screen made me so happy because i feel like it was an ode to actually caring about the craft of acting. IDK
this is so long, my b!
love hearing ur thoughts!!! hope ur having a good day
Shipping notes after watching episode 9:Can we talk about this drama toying with our expectations of a romance…
i spoiled myself on the marriage stuff...so...maybe they wrote that b4 and then added it in? i cant deal with infidelity~*~ but maybe there is also a TWIST. not gonna read the rest of ur comment bc im only on ep 4...im a mess...it's just so fun i wanna hear what other ppl say LOL
for someone who really uhhhh dislikes capitalism (me) how much does it focus on that aspect do you think (if you…
thank you SO much for this reply. i loved everything you said and i've been drinking and know nothing about this show so i can't add much but it's greatly appreciated.
i stopped life like ep 4, even tho i love CSW and the writer for that exact reason. health privatization...i might check this out!
when i first heard about this drama, i was kind of excited...but disappointed it would be focused on a private school. i distinctly remember someone on here talking about SKY castle and how they wish it would have gone farther in terms of the extreme difference between the rich and the poor and just how much their (rich) power exploits the disadvantaged. i wish more dramas would take this stance, or really antagonize the structure especially since the labor movement is so important to korean history (notwithstanding all the issues in between that, i know), because it's so much personal as it is political.
there have been a couple dramas i think that have done a good job (surprisingly, the ensemble not as outwardly political ones) but, as you said perfectly, we want to see "it's unjust and unsustainable to treat workers like this." i love what you said, it reminds me there are so many different minds watching these shows, and many that have the same worries that i do!
i really appreciate this reply and your comments :)
I mean her pretending To he smart is actually smart she played the game very well but her past got to her and…
wow this is such a late reply my b. i dont think she was pretending in that way i guess. i think i meant (well i hope i did lol) that she thinks her decisions are clever and they're just not yet the writing indicates that we should think this woman to be some cunning genius. nothing benefits her which is so stupid because everything is about her ever. or idk, it's clear the drama tried to have a commentary on gender. i just thought the execution was so poor. there's a way to write extremely unlikeable women that you want to stay with...she wasnt one of them to me
I love this drama so far. It's so well made and mature in terms of directing, acting, writing. I'd say it's the…
for someone who really uhhhh dislikes capitalism (me) how much does it focus on that aspect do you think (if you dont mind me asking?) i want a show that attacks a system rather than kind of fostering that behavior, the kids focus thing worries me a bit but that can be handled in a decent manner if written well...
really like the labor aspect of it! thank you for your comment, helps out users like me lmao
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i want to keep on with this drama but the editing...good lord...
heo jae's thoughts are obviously a social society in which we want, so prof chae's opposition, even being a capitalist, just makes no sense. there's not enough detail rn, i'm guessing heo is a type to think on the way to freedom u need authoritarianism? but that's not what i'm getting? anyway im gonna watch the next episode. the content should be a bit clearer not just vague ideas of what is wrong with our society
i don't think the economic talk was enough LOL because then we'd have a clearer idea. it's a simple concept, regulating banks or to not regulate banks basically. but we dont know who the pain players in who wants power are
also heo jae, yi hyun, hye joon are all right so......
that being said in ep 6, first of all i like that the woman said she did it on purpose. because that is okay and that is suffering. and also i like how prosecutor cha gets to see how unfair it is to berate your mother for the very things she failed to do.
it's so hard to be understanding to someone who is being abused, even with a trauma that hurts you too. and it makes sense why she's pissed, and the mother was being neglectful, and that's a side effect and a problem in itself, but she was so mad at her and the grandmother. they ask, "how could you let this happen to yourself?"
but then how could you let it happen to her? do you see how unfair that is? it's good to show because that was something that really upset me along the way. we're complex of course but as a prosecutor, daughter, human you couldn't think farther than your nose? but then she's in a state of arrested development. anyway hope they keep this character growth goin'
(also the labor case... just reckless but whatever.)
all of this being said....if prosecutor lee was my husband? LMAO. yea, nah. no matter how annoying people are, men can never help it by coming out on top of the selfish cake.
what i like/appreciate so much about these satirical korean dramas is the clear historical importance of the labor movement in SK (let's pretend i am not focusing on the clear gender and sexual minority problems within that.)
because so many countries were changing so rapidly due to Things and Stuff (LOL) their movements (if not stamped out by the greater imperialist powers) are much more recent. SK labor movement coming out of the 70s makes it much more fresh as opposed to the complete obliteration in the US of many types of solidarity, and how crushed post like...40s labor was crushed which caused such significant problems within our inequality models.
so it's like, they have this movement, even with a world that's trying to crush everything, they are working from. it's in a specific way within a more homogenous country, and the roots are so much more fresh! the idea of class at least is much more apparent in dramas which is a HUGE advantage to the stance a writer (ostensibly) wants to take if they so choose.
i loved SKY castle but i'm not sure if i would watch it again because of that. i think what drew me to it was how i felt close to the children because my parents were so controlling but my life (thank god since it’s the antithesis of what i believe) was very different, we weren’t filthy rich, and knew about an actual world. it would have been interesting if the US “college scandal” had been cracked around that time.
i guess i saw it (SKY castle) more as a parable than a problem. but, as you said, the status games and lies of the rich is actually disinteresting many times and the voyeur or being in their shoes makes it harder to have a solid arc that shows the true evils of what this has done. not only that but, essentially, they didn’t have to give up power. the dichotomy wasn’t pushed far enough and it would have been much more interesting to see it from a more morally antagonistic angle.
i'll have to re-think it! i also couldn’t see anyone talking about the patriarchal shade in this (attempt) at capitalist critique and the recycling of that behavior. like the show is so heavily about men and their roles in families like women. not just motherhood but th demands, pressure, abuses they put women through and how women are pushed to the edge (this is one thing i think they handled semi-well but i rarely saw discussion of it.)
i don't think i will watch a single drama now that doesn't make it clear what the goal is if it is to be a social commentary and it focuses on the rich and their issues.
so in Black Dog SHJ’s character reinforces that that the way to be happy and be a Real Person: do well, get rich, show others that you are capable to enact the same system that put you at odds…funny
oddly enough this was a critique of Parasite, though it’s clearly a different medium and i find that piece of work incredible, the idea of a “failed revolution” that the end is always capitalism wins. i definitely don’t take that away from the work as a piece, but the reception shows that a bit.
he is SUCH a good actor….idk if you liked stranger but it’s one of my fav shows (i watch it a lot , bc i think the writer had some very very specific things to say about men and it’s all about patriarchal terror in life and the state bla bla) but he was SUCH A FRICKIN JERK IN LIFE. i honestly…cant LMAO. i was soooooo mad at him. the show has such heavy players (minus one person) and i wish i coulda stuck with it. i think it was also just a bore, i can handle some poor sociopolitical expression if the acting is so so solid which i think a huge chunk of it was. seeing all these people on screen made me so happy because i feel like it was an ode to actually caring about the craft of acting. IDK
this is so long, my b!
love hearing ur thoughts!!! hope ur having a good day
i stopped life like ep 4, even tho i love CSW and the writer for that exact reason. health privatization...i might check this out!
when i first heard about this drama, i was kind of excited...but disappointed it would be focused on a private school. i distinctly remember someone on here talking about SKY castle and how they wish it would have gone farther in terms of the extreme difference between the rich and the poor and just how much their (rich) power exploits the disadvantaged. i wish more dramas would take this stance, or really antagonize the structure especially since the labor movement is so important to korean history (notwithstanding all the issues in between that, i know), because it's so much personal as it is political.
there have been a couple dramas i think that have done a good job (surprisingly, the ensemble not as outwardly political ones) but, as you said perfectly, we want to see "it's unjust and unsustainable to treat workers like this." i love what you said, it reminds me there are so many different minds watching these shows, and many that have the same worries that i do!
i really appreciate this reply and your comments :)
really like the labor aspect of it! thank you for your comment, helps out users like me lmao