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the worst part is how difficult it is to get a role as a gay/bi/etc person who is open and how easy it is to make money off of the idea of it. vooomit

ty 4 the info. i honestly just look peripherally at these things and i have a lot (A LOOOOOOOOT) of problems w/ BL and asian dramas. i kinda wish there were more radical women tryna get stuff out there. but anyways, even after hearing for like one second that krist has this issue i was like wow nah. never rewatched parts of sotus or anything.

it's all frickin' cringe tbh. they're actors and they or their managers decided to do something that can skyrocket someone into popularity in these countries (which is a problem in itself--the fetishizing, getting $ off of young girls/women, the problems that itself perpetuates) and you can't take the responsibility? you're uncomfortable but you MAKE MONEY off of the literal nature of the show you were on? it may be full of pressure and everything but it is benefitting you and if you couldn't handle it--when it was done ON PURPOSE--then you shouldn't have done it.

it's less about the anger towards the pressure that fandoms can put on people, that's real i am positive, but the responsibility lies within themselves and their management for knowing this and profiting off of it. and in turn you can either be honest about the pressure but not insulting or you can do it while letting people know that it may not be you and this is your job and they are doing 'xyz' as their job.

OR you can just give into it and chill. we need to ask more from fandoms but lbr the people marketing this know what they're doing. so yea it's an insult to everyone frankly and it's so funny to me that making money off of this "IDEA" is totally fine but never ever ever ever associate the real "IDEA" with me. give me a break.

also if we have a problem with this (and i do in general) then we need to talk about what it means to commodify this and capitalism etc and i know that's Too Deep but i'm js.

hopefully it won't be as gross and misogynist but it probably will be so my hopes are....

im so sorry i didnt see this. look out for it!!

ondemandkorea! i pay for it but they have a trial sub...if you want i can screencap or [try and] screen record that part for you tho just let me know

last ep! you see the landlady before she gets killed by moon jo/jong woo and she says "i took this poor kid who killed his parents in"

totally! i mean it's clear he has ptsd. but that's the tricky part of it. imo jong woo isn't capable of doing what the cult did (for various reasons) and his episode would then coincide with trauma and that effectively creates a gap between him and the real murderers. he killed out of safety (which one could argue, but i think he did and idc that they died lol) while the others have this psychological problem that was fostered throughout the years. so i'm like as a viewer i understand that for him it was constant trauma and pressure and his mind cannot function anymore..which means you can get help. the others were beyond help. so at the end why the hell does nobody still help him?

good explanation! ty!

...but how does this alter ego work....anyways he went crazy our poor jong woo lmao

the diff between jong woo and them is that he literally went crazy. moon jo killed his parents and the rest of them were either socio or psychopaths so it's inherent to them and fostered through a cycle of trauma. his was "made" but he is different because of his ability to feel so strongly which is also why this switch is dubious too

the 19+ rating is apt. even tho it's blurred if they come out with the DVD...phew. but it was pretttyyyyyy gory

strange writing and shoddy police work lol

i get what ur saying but i'm wondering about the mechanics of that dissociation. i knew he was going to kill...he had to or he would be killed. but considering the discrepancies how far did he go and also what was the measure in which moon jo convinced him. because he's not been stable the whole time and has been gaslit and driven insane there's a lot of forgiveness we can give to the writing but it still doesn't mesh with jong woo the whole series to the end with having the bracelet put on. it's like it was a switch.

in the timeline: they kill chang ho first then he sees ji eun then he gets the bracelet put on from then til the end what happened? where is moon jo? was ji eun hallucinating cos she was also in sm pain? it just doesnt add up. and because of that i'm like there's all these questions we have about the reality.

also jong woo's core personality is directly against everyone at the gosiwon. he doesn't believe people are /this/ bad and pure rage, even though it's dangerous, does not a psychopath make. like at what point did he snap and then how did he do all that stuff in turn? i shouldn't dissect it this much because your answer is the most plausible but i feel like there's so much room to ponder philosophically

good catch!!! didnt think of that hahhahah

thanks for the reply! was it as open to interpretation as this was? (i think i answer my own question here....)

i guess my complaint would be about the 'similar' part of them is that jongwoo doesn't become jongwoo anymore, he becomes moon jo...through intense gaslighting and the show is so quick with it, there's almost no time to breathe. i know the teeth bracelet symbolizes something. so i'm sad that jong woo's essence is basically gone, stamped out, and that's it..

yes! and there's that riff on 'les fleurs' from the ending (US)

edgar wright--you're right! i didnt even think of that! there's also a humor in horror (that i think is necessary) and wright does that well too

all that matters is that u enjoyed it!

the ep is titled 'gaslighting' which is basically leading someone to believe something that is true, factual, but not affirming it. so "i saw you kill this person" but the person says "no that was you" and...i think that's pretty indicative of what happened at the end and the series.

there are many diff interpretations tbh cos idk if i think this one is, but i dont think anything is factual

did moon jo plant in his mind he did all these things? because he has this fight....and people are DYING but he's doing it or...? how did he get to influence jong woo to murder all those people (which tbh makes me imagine that a) the bracelet makes u insane and b) he /was/ gaslighted into it...which he was but was it even him???) i think that.......we wont know? i guess. but im glad all those bitches got got. i don't think jong woo is a character that went crazy tbh i think everyone around him was and he was trying to survive so the overarching point between him and moon jo seems bizarre

these dramatic cinema series thouggh really push the mental limits. i loved trap for this reason tbh so i don't mind what happened. i just think it's unclear and so far that's 2 for 2 of insanity but no clarity (which is FINE bc it really does make for cinematic tv)

so i think that the ending can be interpreted many ways. overall i liked the drama and didn't mind the plot points but now i'm kind of at sea with what it all means...

btw--show obviously really admires 'us' and 'midsommar' and if u have seen those movies...i think it might be a bit clearer

gets better and better. i think it's a fun, well-paced horror. it would probably be more palatable as a movie since it has that pacing in its episodic form (the highs, the dip in storytelling, the lows, the highs again) but i always view horror through a different lens. and most of all horror should be fun in a sick way

i dont think jongwoo will be a killer. partly because it's in his nature and we see the contrast between him and moon jo. but he is being driven CRAZY and by now he's just terrified. like he's over jae-ho, now he's like all of us are about to get GOT.


can't wait for the finale. he sees his army bro which is the opening of first ep scene. rly rly rly dont want him to take over in teh cult (idt he will) because it seems as if there's no point in the cult really just trauma manifesting through evil..