edit: i literally wrote one thing and critiqued it. you cannot be that upset over me stating an opinion on this tv show. the show and fan reception surrounding it and what troubles me is directly apparent in the replies to me. i got a message from someone genuinely asking for me to clarify and i did so gladly. i hope the information helps them.
please grow up and stop replying to me telling me why you think rape is okay. thanks.
it's very clear from a lot of the comments and lack of nuance in discussion just how much people value their enjoyment and comfort over others. bl is a genre that's rife with issues, disgusting sexual autonomy politics, and misogyny. it is geared towards young girls/women. i think we've all seen some really bad shit, read some awful stuff, even played into toxic fantasy. that's life BUT it's imperative that even if someone enjoys the show and entertainment, they understand that absolutely nothing about non-consent is romantic, that we are indoctrinated into beliefs that directly hurt us, and that there's a big problem in critique being shown as silencing others. a "don't like don't watch" policy is irrelevant when questioning the content. that's the very nature of critique and artistic critique--art is NEVER in a vacuum or apolitical. so there's that.
the writers both of the novel, of this show, of other shows absolutely failed on that front. it's ok to admit that. in fact, it's better than jumping through hoops to explain it away or play this issue down and spread terrible attitudes and misinformation.
i hope every time someone has an incredibly uninformed and frankly unintelligent thing to add about what they "think" (not thinking at all) about consent, someone who stumbles trough can see other messages. messages, perhaps, like mine, or from people who watch the show and can use their brains, knowledge, and experience to point out the very obvious problems this stirs. i've seen a bit of the show when i was super bored...it's not great but what bl rly is. luckily i'm at a point in my life where i can understand what these things mean, where i understand how women are hurt, the consequences of the things we see, sexualizing gay[ness] men whilst phallic-ly coding things keeping it in some bizarre gender binary, and toxic fantasy. and how i wish it would change.
but the users who don't want to use google should stop lying. twisting the truth. whoever isn't sure: consent on every level is imperative to your wellbeing. you deserve to be happy and people, particularly men to women, and those who indulgle, particularly women who write men in rships straight or otherwise, need to be CLEAR about how unacceptable it is...which oftentimes they aren't. that's what makes the "allure" acceptable. but it's not a parable or a complex romance, it's just bullshit.
it's 2019 okay. if you don't understand these simple concepts google. GOOGLE. learn about consent and media, your body, the problems with bl, literally anything. do not buy into this egregious idea that speaking out and calling things out when they need to be is bad or takes enjoyment from others. they're lying.
luckily i have fingers and a brain so i can reiterate that with some other gracious comrades
I'm not taking sides, as I am an observer of their relationship (although it is a 'fictional' one). The series…
no it's all bad. if you have the wherewithall and gall to force yourself on someone be aware of the consequences. also that's disgusting. no matter how you write it a romance based on this that isn't a parable is automatically in the realm of ridicule. now, one may enjoy it, i have bigger things to worry about, but there's no such thing as ethical rape in romance. considering how common it is in BL it's not treated as a topic to inspect. it's just disgusting, misogynist, and homophobic. hopefully people that read comments like these have the understanding to seek out other words.
i cannot get this answered anywhere but how big is the age gap between the second couple? i mean it's probably unacceptable to me either way which is why i will avoid this but i was really looking forward to it...anyway, still wanna know
coco chanel is not the person to quote. and the best thing we can do is stop supporting it. it's the only viable action. and we all have to be ready for this challenge. and the structure must change. it's capitalism through and through (oversimplifying via words, but let's just say that encapsulates the misogyny racism that flounders.) it's asking people to be aware and more open, asking fans to combat these ideas, and asking these people to do so as well. and mostly it's messing up a structure.
i never really knew sulli and i wasn't super interested, maybe found her young and annoying, but she should have had the time and space to do so. to live beyond 25 and feel out her interests. growing up in this environment, being groomed by older men, being hurt constantly, and having people fail her...
i was (am) a huge jonghyun fan; he's one of my favorite musicians. i have one of his album arts tattooed on me. i wish he was here. i wish he wasn't failed. i wish a lot of people were alive.
it's a conversation that keeps happening everywhere, but particularly within this realm of korean celebrity (and people due to high suicide rates and all of these matter. the mere idea of celebrity is useless) but, on top of that, is the MAJOR repercussions of using people for capital. it exploits them and continues this power imbalanced steeped in patriarchy and emotional austerity. that labor will pay off to happiness.
anyway its too much to type, but also remember her life in totality was more than just the companies. it's also getting people help when they need it and listening. this is preventable and yet it keeps happening, why?
Honestly.. to think of something so weird and beside the sensitive matter being discussed...
that was because they wanted to use their rising sun flag--by "they" it's a (substantial) sect of people that see it as patriotic. rising sun flags represent imperialism, ethnic cleansing, rape, murder. it's akin to the confederate flags. if we could remove power, we would. but people still believe in this BS. the way we preserve history and stop this stuff is by teaching people empathy, giving them knowledge, and not erasing it from the books. it also means respecting what these things mean to people.
Please keep in mind that kisskh has users from all around the world. Out of the ~195 countries in the world,…
it's fine, you didn't know and it's understandable. really it was the title that kinda shocked me since people troll with these kind of usernames. it's not an indictment on you.
Please keep in mind that kisskh has users from all around the world. Out of the ~195 countries in the world,…
tbh it's pretty jarring and insensitive so as an admin it would be nice if the title wasn't that. not everyone is american, but there are a lot of black people who know this very well. me included, and it was offputting to see. i kinda thought the post would be a joke. it would just be nice if there was a maybe a change in title, i understand that's op's username.
Did we NEED remakes of these? A) GMMTV would be better focusing on their shows that are actually interesting like…
ty 4 the info. i honestly just look peripherally at these things and i have a lot (A LOOOOOOOOT) of problems w/ BL and asian dramas. i kinda wish there were more radical women tryna get stuff out there. but anyways, even after hearing for like one second that krist has this issue i was like wow nah. never rewatched parts of sotus or anything.
it's all frickin' cringe tbh. they're actors and they or their managers decided to do something that can skyrocket someone into popularity in these countries (which is a problem in itself--the fetishizing, getting $ off of young girls/women, the problems that itself perpetuates) and you can't take the responsibility? you're uncomfortable but you MAKE MONEY off of the literal nature of the show you were on? it may be full of pressure and everything but it is benefitting you and if you couldn't handle it--when it was done ON PURPOSE--then you shouldn't have done it.
it's less about the anger towards the pressure that fandoms can put on people, that's real i am positive, but the responsibility lies within themselves and their management for knowing this and profiting off of it. and in turn you can either be honest about the pressure but not insulting or you can do it while letting people know that it may not be you and this is your job and they are doing 'xyz' as their job.
OR you can just give into it and chill. we need to ask more from fandoms but lbr the people marketing this know what they're doing. so yea it's an insult to everyone frankly and it's so funny to me that making money off of this "IDEA" is totally fine but never ever ever ever associate the real "IDEA" with me. give me a break.
also if we have a problem with this (and i do in general) then we need to talk about what it means to commodify this and capitalism etc and i know that's Too Deep but i'm js.
"type enjoyed it" please for the love of christ i hope you're like 28 and don't go outside.
please grow up and stop replying to me telling me why you think rape is okay. thanks.
it's very clear from a lot of the comments and lack of nuance in discussion just how much people value their enjoyment and comfort over others. bl is a genre that's rife with issues, disgusting sexual autonomy politics, and misogyny. it is geared towards young girls/women. i think we've all seen some really bad shit, read some awful stuff, even played into toxic fantasy. that's life BUT it's imperative that even if someone enjoys the show and entertainment, they understand that absolutely nothing about non-consent is romantic, that we are indoctrinated into beliefs that directly hurt us, and that there's a big problem in critique being shown as silencing others. a "don't like don't watch" policy is irrelevant when questioning the content. that's the very nature of critique and artistic critique--art is NEVER in a vacuum or apolitical. so there's that.
the writers both of the novel, of this show, of other shows absolutely failed on that front. it's ok to admit that. in fact, it's better than jumping through hoops to explain it away or play this issue down and spread terrible attitudes and misinformation.
i hope every time someone has an incredibly uninformed and frankly unintelligent thing to add about what they "think" (not thinking at all) about consent, someone who stumbles trough can see other messages. messages, perhaps, like mine, or from people who watch the show and can use their brains, knowledge, and experience to point out the very obvious problems this stirs. i've seen a bit of the show when i was super bored...it's not great but what bl rly is. luckily i'm at a point in my life where i can understand what these things mean, where i understand how women are hurt, the consequences of the things we see, sexualizing gay[ness] men whilst phallic-ly coding things keeping it in some bizarre gender binary, and toxic fantasy. and how i wish it would change.
but the users who don't want to use google should stop lying. twisting the truth. whoever isn't sure: consent on every level is imperative to your wellbeing. you deserve to be happy and people, particularly men to women, and those who indulgle, particularly women who write men in rships straight or otherwise, need to be CLEAR about how unacceptable it is...which oftentimes they aren't. that's what makes the "allure" acceptable. but it's not a parable or a complex romance, it's just bullshit.
it's 2019 okay. if you don't understand these simple concepts google. GOOGLE. learn about consent and media, your body, the problems with bl, literally anything. do not buy into this egregious idea that speaking out and calling things out when they need to be is bad or takes enjoyment from others. they're lying.
luckily i have fingers and a brain so i can reiterate that with some other gracious comrades
i never really knew sulli and i wasn't super interested, maybe found her young and annoying, but she should have had the time and space to do so. to live beyond 25 and feel out her interests. growing up in this environment, being groomed by older men, being hurt constantly, and having people fail her...
i was (am) a huge jonghyun fan; he's one of my favorite musicians. i have one of his album arts tattooed on me. i wish he was here. i wish he wasn't failed. i wish a lot of people were alive.
it's a conversation that keeps happening everywhere, but particularly within this realm of korean celebrity (and people due to high suicide rates and all of these matter. the mere idea of celebrity is useless) but, on top of that, is the MAJOR repercussions of using people for capital. it exploits them and continues this power imbalanced steeped in patriarchy and emotional austerity. that labor will pay off to happiness.
anyway its too much to type, but also remember her life in totality was more than just the companies. it's also getting people help when they need it and listening. this is preventable and yet it keeps happening, why?
it's all frickin' cringe tbh. they're actors and they or their managers decided to do something that can skyrocket someone into popularity in these countries (which is a problem in itself--the fetishizing, getting $ off of young girls/women, the problems that itself perpetuates) and you can't take the responsibility? you're uncomfortable but you MAKE MONEY off of the literal nature of the show you were on? it may be full of pressure and everything but it is benefitting you and if you couldn't handle it--when it was done ON PURPOSE--then you shouldn't have done it.
it's less about the anger towards the pressure that fandoms can put on people, that's real i am positive, but the responsibility lies within themselves and their management for knowing this and profiting off of it. and in turn you can either be honest about the pressure but not insulting or you can do it while letting people know that it may not be you and this is your job and they are doing 'xyz' as their job.
OR you can just give into it and chill. we need to ask more from fandoms but lbr the people marketing this know what they're doing. so yea it's an insult to everyone frankly and it's so funny to me that making money off of this "IDEA" is totally fine but never ever ever ever associate the real "IDEA" with me. give me a break.
also if we have a problem with this (and i do in general) then we need to talk about what it means to commodify this and capitalism etc and i know that's Too Deep but i'm js.