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good luck on your road to higher ed

https://www.google.com/search?q=strawman+dilemma

due to some odd hurt feelings i must edit my post because some people have had a hard time understanding the very simple concepts i have written out. sexual assault (google definition), force, coercion (google) is not romantic (google.)

if one tries to silence critique of it, another someone must wonder why this person would do that! if it's just entertainment then critique of content is also just entertainment. it shouldnt matter! but this makes people angry. don't know why.
anyway. presumably, a normal, non-threatening human sees content that is largely considered to be detrimental and regressive in portrayal if it is romantic. i have faith in people, but if this eludes you...google.

because a character is terribly odious does that mean that he should be raped? does that mean that the character enjoyed the rape? that characters in general enjoy this? no, no it does not. some users would lead you to believe so. but it doesn't.

as a woman (google) i just wanted to point out why criticism of anything that is public and controversial, no matter how common it is to you, (loving seeing a guy force his tongue in2 another guy's mouth) is ok. i urge me, us, you, everyone to watch and explore. you even learn with garbage content and writing. but a lot of our enjoyment will come to romance and, if you are being honest, of course the parameters of this "romance" would startle you. and it is within reason to have people point out that those parameters are unacceptable.

rape is not something that can be glossed over, it is not romantic to partner with your rapist. oversimplifying an incredibly complex set of factors and power dynamics is insulting. this is a very real critique of the actual content and writing and also social implications.

media can be criticized. people can watch whatever they want but for viewers, young ones, people starting their journey into being radzoomers it's imperative to keep an open eye! and don't let what you see become normal even if it's media! detect the bullshit. if you choose to enjoy this show just know what it is you are watching. keep an open eye and be aware. and do not listen to people who type things like "he liked it." ever. if it isnt preceded with "rape is bad. he liked it when he beat his rapist's ass"

wanted to be the one few commenters that explain this and say this since the arguments presented are ridiculous. because one day people are going to look back at these posts and if they have any sense of self, they'll realize these were terrible things to say. terrible things to apologize for. and also it was really embarrassing that i had to clarify something quite simple...that was clarified above.

u dont know what misogyny is do u

The same is true of other polemicists in the same vein, whom Burgis calls the “logicbros.” These guys erroneously charge their opponents with various fallacies as a kind of antagonistic score keeping and are all too quick to accuse those they disagree with of ad hominems, appeals to authority and so on, without really engaging their positions in good faith or being attentive to the actual nature of these (often informal) fallacies. Burgis also develops a rather funny critique of far-right icon Stefan Molyneux, who consistently dismisses left-wing positions by claiming that x is not an argument. As Burgis points out, the claim that x is not an argument is itself not an argument but an assertion, which is problematic, especially given that Molyneux often struggles when trying to critique his opponents’ positions in any detail and seems reticent to actually debate them.


have a nice night

btw im having my limo driver drop me off at the airport and then im catching a flight to thailand (im a judge there) and banning all bl forever

because you have nothing to say you're digressing from the point. we either stay on topic or we don't. since you can't, we wont. also you're very good at making a case for my (?insulting lmao) post. i'm assuming your approach is "definitely dont stick to the topic, have no clue what youre talking about, purposefully misinterpret and mischaracterize the user, and use words wrong because you don't know what they mean."

it's not an argument cos there's nothing 2 argue. i stated something, u didnt get it, move on good luck on your way to social fluency

also i may exaggerate my intelligence but it sure is gracious. you're correct.

btw if you weren't the amazing detective you were you would have realized i invoke my EXPERIENCES in life, what i have taken time to learn and absorb, and thankfully through age comes more experience. knowing more about my right to exist, about history, about art and context. imagine that.

i can give you multiple examples of disgusting rape apologia and break down why i think it's irresponsible. it would be a waste of my precious time unless you paid me but one day i do so hope someone can, too, google and put together a document with links on books and papers to help you, all of you.

so that when people come to this page they engage in actual discussion about the content of the show, production value of the show, value at all of the show (of which we can debate) but not absorb and see apologies for poor behavior that is irresponsible to display without interrogation.

it's just not valid to you because...you don't want it to be. you want to write paragraphs justifying why people's anger is wrong? interesting. it's wrong to lie, it's irresponsible and honestly lazy writing/production to have assault be a trope that women feed into, and it's...stupid.

- never said just this drama, i know it's all dramas
- i absolutely have a problem with porn
- i get out of it not having people stumble upon comments like yours that excuse it. that's what i get. which is why i made a seperate comment. aren't we under the "don't like don't read" clause you seem to enjoy?

- i am a filmmaker so no lol. but this is a poor comparison. you made up a claim and can't back it up. i have the right to type. i don't have power, but i want to empower my people and other's that want to listen.

i'm a community of what? i'm a woman, i'm an artist, i enjoy dramas, nothing is above critique. i absolutely have a right to say what i did. you don't understand what dogma is and you have conspiracy theories.

it behooves you to think, read, then try again. if you don't like what im saying you're gonna have to come better than that.

no i'm saying stop lying in the comments and justifying sexual assault so it can be in people's eyeballs. that's what im saying. it's pretty clear. what's also clear is that you have no idea what you're talking about.

i make perfect sense lmao

so did you read what i said

"type enjoyed it" please for the love of christ i hope you're like 28 and don't go outside.

the age of consent is irrelevant. if he's 18 and the dude is 20, fine. but i guess i cant really deal with it being nebulous.

edit: i literally wrote one thing and critiqued it. you cannot be that upset over me stating an opinion on this tv show. the show and fan reception surrounding it and what troubles me is directly apparent in the replies to me. i got a message from someone genuinely asking for me to clarify and i did so gladly. i hope the information helps them.

please grow up and stop replying to me telling me why you think rape is okay. thanks.

it's very clear from a lot of the comments and lack of nuance in discussion just how much people value their enjoyment and comfort over others. bl is a genre that's rife with issues, disgusting sexual autonomy politics, and misogyny. it is geared towards young girls/women. i think we've all seen some really bad shit, read some awful stuff, even played into toxic fantasy. that's life BUT it's imperative that even if someone enjoys the show and entertainment, they understand that absolutely nothing about non-consent is romantic, that we are indoctrinated into beliefs that directly hurt us, and that there's a big problem in critique being shown as silencing others. a "don't like don't watch" policy is irrelevant when questioning the content. that's the very nature of critique and artistic critique--art is NEVER in a vacuum or apolitical. so there's that.

the writers both of the novel, of this show, of other shows absolutely failed on that front. it's ok to admit that. in fact, it's better than jumping through hoops to explain it away or play this issue down and spread terrible attitudes and misinformation.

i hope every time someone has an incredibly uninformed and frankly unintelligent thing to add about what they "think" (not thinking at all) about consent, someone who stumbles trough can see other messages. messages, perhaps, like mine, or from people who watch the show and can use their brains, knowledge, and experience to point out the very obvious problems this stirs. i've seen a bit of the show when i was super bored...it's not great but what bl rly is. luckily i'm at a point in my life where i can understand what these things mean, where i understand how women are hurt, the consequences of the things we see, sexualizing gay[ness] men whilst phallic-ly coding things keeping it in some bizarre gender binary, and toxic fantasy. and how i wish it would change.

but the users who don't want to use google should stop lying. twisting the truth. whoever isn't sure: consent on every level is imperative to your wellbeing. you deserve to be happy and people, particularly men to women, and those who indulgle, particularly women who write men in rships straight or otherwise, need to be CLEAR about how unacceptable it is...which oftentimes they aren't. that's what makes the "allure" acceptable. but it's not a parable or a complex romance, it's just bullshit.

it's 2019 okay. if you don't understand these simple concepts google. GOOGLE. learn about consent and media, your body, the problems with bl, literally anything. do not buy into this egregious idea that speaking out and calling things out when they need to be is bad or takes enjoyment from others. they're lying.

luckily i have fingers and a brain so i can reiterate that with some other gracious comrades

dont rape apologize. seriously stop this is harmful.

no it's all bad. if you have the wherewithall and gall to force yourself on someone be aware of the consequences. also that's disgusting. no matter how you write it a romance based on this that isn't a parable is automatically in the realm of ridicule. now, one may enjoy it, i have bigger things to worry about, but there's no such thing as ethical rape in romance. considering how common it is in BL it's not treated as a topic to inspect. it's just disgusting, misogynist, and homophobic. hopefully people that read comments like these have the understanding to seek out other words.

i can't help but laugh but how big is this age gap is it like a 1-2 yr thing orrrrrrrrrrRRRR lol

i cannot get this answered anywhere but how big is the age gap between the second couple? i mean it's probably unacceptable to me either way which is why i will avoid this but i was really looking forward to it...anyway, still wanna know

nice ending buttttttttt did whatshisface die? anyway wow im sad it's over