Today's episode...i didn't understand ..so did he(the guy Young Woo was defending)like..did he take advantage…
it's not that easy to answer honestly but it isn't a good situation at the very least and will be something she carries with her for a long time possibly forever. the stress of the case, her mom, their situation.
Ofc, like the rest of you, I dislike Young Woo’s mom. But Korea is still living in 1950s when it comes to children…
exactly. and needing consent of another to even get an abortion (then needing to be married) luckily that changed in 2020. it regressed in the US like two months ago. trash. but she was asked to do something ridiculous and she complied so i'm not sure why there's so much hate for her literally making a choice about her body and being begged to not make that choice. fucked up
I think the thing that bothered me most about the case in Ep 10 was that there was a persistent underlying implication…
i think a big part of it was to show the limits of the law in general. this is never going to be wholly good or wholly bad but every case is different too and it's up to all of us to evaluate the type of society we want. one where coercion is commonplace and thus makes it hard for us to understand agency or one where we don't have to worry about it because assault, coercion, manipulation would be gone with ableism gone. that kinda thing. obviously something was wrong here but it also happened so what now? but i don't think that's the stance the show takes itself but to illuminate. consent isn't all encompassing
people be calling junho bland and and then there's me who loves him A LOT and thinks he is one of the greatest…
he's fun people just tend to think that a man not constantly being a piece of garbage means he's passive or has no character growth or whatever. like we aren't tired of the same archetype of someone not actively trying to be a decent person and partner particularly in this instance. i suspect the other part of that belief is thinking their rship is shallow bc of her autism. alas
We can't really determine if Hye Young has the capacity to consent because she was asked questions in a super…
there's this talk of consent as if it's all-encompassing when it's much more complex since we all have very limited agency in sense of our environments. so at the very least it was problematic and concerning. actress did a great job
exact fucking same thoughts. she told him she wanted nothing to do with her and the. people aren't judging her…
Sorry I’m confused; what do you mean he doesn’t assume he would have gotten the job by only knowing someone else? If he did know someone he could have potentially. Unless you mean WYW in which case my only point is she had next to no opportunity—though WYW didn’t ask for this and literally told her father she would have wanted to deal with it herself so like you say this is /not/ her fault—and someone gave that to her out of probable malice/political maneuvers. He definitely has shown prejudice towards her previously. He asks why CSY would care about WYW if she always wins after being judgemental in the elevator without bothering to understand that it isn’t a competition. He laughs at her, he rolls his eyes at her, he is simply not nice to her.
In fact, it’s been building up to how we got to this point. That’s the point of this storyline! It’s not overt ableism but it’s covert. Him even bringing up the absence thing behind her back. He absolutely is being ableist.
I understand it is difficult but I also understand that she put in the letter—which you are allowed to do even if it is unprofessional with not giving 2 weeks—and it was deliberately not processed. Why? Because they need her. He (MW) is going against her because he believes that her autism gives her special privileges. No.
This isn’t existing in some vacuum where her autism has nothing to do with the so-called nepotism he eschews. If he had an understanding of the structures that make these things up—if he truly gave a shit—he would attack the system that allows WYW to be used as a pawn. He would understand that the rat race is created by the structures/systems/state and not one autistic woman he works with. But he’s unhappy so he has to make WYW and their colleagues unhappy to. Again, the point of showing him and his characters previous actions to lead up to the current one is his inferiority complex tied to all those reasons. You really think that he wouldn’t be doing this were she not an autistic woman? In fact, this wouldn’t happen to anyone but her and that’s /also/ the point.
I would have handled this not this way because I’m not a jerk. I’m not insecure about the work I do, I understand everyone is different, I understand we live in a world that purposefully tamps people down and diminishes their spirit based on arbitrary categorizations and hierarchies. A world that makes it impossible to truly live in the category of ‘Human’ for many of us. I’m not sure what you are trying to get at here with the comment. I attended to all of the potential circumstances but so what? We are assuming he is in a tough financial situation but WYW is /also/ in a tough financial situation.
I’m unclear why Min Woo gets sympathy for taking out his anger on a girl he believes to be inferior to him, unclear why his position is understandable and the supposed default for people. The point is to evaluate your prejudices and the actions you take against others by an inherent belief that we, as able-bodied and [for the most part] neurotypical people, get to point fingers when we don’t get our way or when things are “unfair”. But what’s truly unfair? She can’t even get a foot in the door. He’s allowed to be shady and know someone’s a liar on the stand but she dares exist? Come on!
We can discuss the minutiae and details, pretend that he is coming from some tortured place that should engender some sort of sympathy, pretend this is a normal human response instead of looking at the true reasons we feel that way but it doesn’t erase the strain he is putting on fuckin’ everybody with his behavior. Nepotism isn’t his motivator. He is being an asshole full-stop. The conclusion that you are jumping to is the individual responses to WYW’s existence. That her life may look different and for her to get certain things some people make choices for her and to her detriment. What is she getting away with? Why are we looking at this like it’s a normal thing to be this bent out of shape over a made up competition for work? Why are we acting like this is not the only place she could even get into and it wasn’t even his choice. Why can’t his weak heart feel good in knowing he could get hired pretty easily himself? He has work experience and is good at his job. So why? What is the point in all this? Why not fuck up the foundations that lead to this shit? We know, as adults, that she does not get special positive treatment. She has a thing called “negative rights” instead of positive ones; where her right to be a human can be revoked at any moment by the state. Her right to privacy, to her decisions, to life and that trickles down into her real life.
His reasons and misguided anger—at worst malicious—are what makes things suck. Because his actions are trying to actively harm and make a hostile work environment that literally no one else is doing. The fact that he gives a shit and it’s obviously hurting his job and relationships means that he is the problem.
Let's not pretend these are the same things and same situations. Let's not pretend they are on an equal playing field and let's not pretend that context doesn't matter. That's the whole point of the show.
exact fucking same thoughts. she told him she wanted nothing to do with her and the. people aren't judging her…
i think that only works if you think that min woo doesn't have a massive advantage by being a man with no disability. he is attractive, he is competent and intelligent himself, and WYW is also disadvantaged by class. it's no comparison and it need not be about who has it worse anyway. these are all just shades that affect someone's life. clearly min woo is competent and can do his job; these are about the moral implications of his decisions and his persistence frankly.
and if the world cannot even give WYW, a genius (IQ is a complete social construct that itself is ableist—no judgement on your part i'm just saying) and an 'eiditic' memory (this is an exaggeration on the show's part; it's not totally proven to be exact but obviously she has extreme book smarts and is good at capture memory), a chance then what can it give to her? and /that's/ the realistic part—had this not random chance have happened she would have struggled completely. no matter what i think about su-mi's choice (that it was hers to make) WYW also had an absence of a mother. and min woospeaking to her would work because they are both adults or so he says and doesn't believe she is.
he himself believes that she would not have gotten that job without knowing someone—and he very well may be right. but, again, now what? he's angry because she got a chance and she was better than him. this isn't totally an analog but it's like with affirmative action and the assumption that we [black people, i am one] get into school /just/ because of our race and if that was it (which it is not) the anger that it elicits from other people when the students end up being better than them. let's say WYW was just as good as the rest of them; then she would be dispensable. but she has to literally be extraordinary to have this job and to be accepted. she is the exception and not the rule so i cannot help but reject the equivocation because it is simply not the same. in the eyes of society and the way it is structured based on so many factors.
and, on top of that, he has a job. he has the SAME job and his job is not in any danger because WYW exists! it doesn't matter if it's intentional malice nor do i assume any like moral objection to his insecurity but it is what it is: pathetic, insecure, and gross. he is ableist and he will have to deal with that. because what is the endgame here?
Personally I donot think Tae soo mi is evil. I would have understood her being called evil if she had abandoned…
exact fucking same thoughts. she told him she wanted nothing to do with her and the. people aren't judging her for her being a shifty lawyer but for her daring to make a choice. it came back to bite him in the ass but she LET HIM KNOW. for some reason it's valiant that her father "gave up his career" when he begged her, a woman who isn't married which is a problem for a medical abortion on top of NEEDING YOUR HUSBAND'S CONSENT TO GET IT, to be a fucking incubator and he would raise her. i feel like the show talks about agency and choice and this ep (ep 10) is about sex, consent, and disability so what is the disconnect for viewers? (i can guess)
i don't think at the end scene we're supposed to totally look at her as evil and i'm glad because this is not the reason why she is. it really pisses me off that people miss the mark. he fucking begged her and she fucking did it and i'm not even sure if she ever had a damn choice. that's fucked up and it's shit like this that puts people like woo young woo in harm's way too.
anyways agreed wholeheartedly esp with what you said about not understanding WYW's sitch she IS different and she's also a great lawyer. now what? but how many people have gotten jobs for the same reason. in fact, choi su-yeon was basically primed for this. so it's misdirected imo; he can't stand that someone, a woman with autism, could dare to be better and can't see it as anything but special treatment because otherwise what is his "deficit" for supposedly failing (when no one has expressed this) to consistently think the way she does. i think the absence part is also not her fault since she made an impulsive (and not great) decision but her boss refused to process it. sewwwww. he also already has this job so it makes extra no sense. if she gets fired that would be a lawsuit waiting to happen, doesn't he know that?
"Kim Yu Ri is a lawyer who has a beautiful appearance but is not hesitant to show her fiery personality when witnessing…
a strong girl = acting like whatever heteromasculine idea they can come up with but hotter (in the minds of the writer) cos she's a woman . just as annoying, vacuous, thoughtless and empty but change the gender and make it more empty bc girls amirite
2 
In fact, it’s been building up to how we got to this point. That’s the point of this storyline! It’s not overt ableism but it’s covert. Him even bringing up the absence thing behind her back. He absolutely is being ableist.
I understand it is difficult but I also understand that she put in the letter—which you are allowed to do even if it is unprofessional with not giving 2 weeks—and it was deliberately not processed. Why? Because they need her. He (MW) is going against her because he believes that her autism gives her special privileges. No.
This isn’t existing in some vacuum where her autism has nothing to do with the so-called nepotism he eschews. If he had an understanding of the structures that make these things up—if he truly gave a shit—he would attack the system that allows WYW to be used as a pawn. He would understand that the rat race is created by the structures/systems/state and not one autistic woman he works with. But he’s unhappy so he has to make WYW and their colleagues unhappy to. Again, the point of showing him and his characters previous actions to lead up to the current one is his inferiority complex tied to all those reasons. You really think that he wouldn’t be doing this were she not an autistic woman? In fact, this wouldn’t happen to anyone but her and that’s /also/ the point.
I would have handled this not this way because I’m not a jerk. I’m not insecure about the work I do, I understand everyone is different, I understand we live in a world that purposefully tamps people down and diminishes their spirit based on arbitrary categorizations and hierarchies. A world that makes it impossible to truly live in the category of ‘Human’ for many of us. I’m not sure what you are trying to get at here with the comment. I attended to all of the potential circumstances but so what? We are assuming he is in a tough financial situation but WYW is /also/ in a tough financial situation.
I’m unclear why Min Woo gets sympathy for taking out his anger on a girl he believes to be inferior to him, unclear why his position is understandable and the supposed default for people. The point is to evaluate your prejudices and the actions you take against others by an inherent belief that we, as able-bodied and [for the most part] neurotypical people, get to point fingers when we don’t get our way or when things are “unfair”. But what’s truly unfair? She can’t even get a foot in the door. He’s allowed to be shady and know someone’s a liar on the stand but she dares exist? Come on!
We can discuss the minutiae and details, pretend that he is coming from some tortured place that should engender some sort of sympathy, pretend this is a normal human response instead of looking at the true reasons we feel that way but it doesn’t erase the strain he is putting on fuckin’ everybody with his behavior. Nepotism isn’t his motivator. He is being an asshole full-stop. The conclusion that you are jumping to is the individual responses to WYW’s existence. That her life may look different and for her to get certain things some people make choices for her and to her detriment. What is she getting away with? Why are we looking at this like it’s a normal thing to be this bent out of shape over a made up competition for work? Why are we acting like this is not the only place she could even get into and it wasn’t even his choice. Why can’t his weak heart feel good in knowing he could get hired pretty easily himself? He has work experience and is good at his job. So why? What is the point in all this? Why not fuck up the foundations that lead to this shit? We know, as adults, that she does not get special positive treatment. She has a thing called “negative rights” instead of positive ones; where her right to be a human can be revoked at any moment by the state. Her right to privacy, to her decisions, to life and that trickles down into her real life.
His reasons and misguided anger—at worst malicious—are what makes things suck. Because his actions are trying to actively harm and make a hostile work environment that literally no one else is doing. The fact that he gives a shit and it’s obviously hurting his job and relationships means that he is the problem.
Let's not pretend these are the same things and same situations. Let's not pretend they are on an equal playing field and let's not pretend that context doesn't matter. That's the whole point of the show.
and if the world cannot even give WYW, a genius (IQ is a complete social construct that itself is ableist—no judgement on your part i'm just saying) and an 'eiditic' memory (this is an exaggeration on the show's part; it's not totally proven to be exact but obviously she has extreme book smarts and is good at capture memory), a chance then what can it give to her? and /that's/ the realistic part—had this not random chance have happened she would have struggled completely. no matter what i think about su-mi's choice (that it was hers to make) WYW also had an absence of a mother. and min woospeaking to her would work because they are both adults or so he says and doesn't believe she is.
he himself believes that she would not have gotten that job without knowing someone—and he very well may be right. but, again, now what? he's angry because she got a chance and she was better than him. this isn't totally an analog but it's like with affirmative action and the assumption that we [black people, i am one] get into school /just/ because of our race and if that was it (which it is not) the anger that it elicits from other people when the students end up being better than them. let's say WYW was just as good as the rest of them; then she would be dispensable. but she has to literally be extraordinary to have this job and to be accepted. she is the exception and not the rule so i cannot help but reject the equivocation because it is simply not the same. in the eyes of society and the way it is structured based on so many factors.
and, on top of that, he has a job. he has the SAME job and his job is not in any danger because WYW exists! it doesn't matter if it's intentional malice nor do i assume any like moral objection to his insecurity but it is what it is: pathetic, insecure, and gross. he is ableist and he will have to deal with that. because what is the endgame here?
i don't think at the end scene we're supposed to totally look at her as evil and i'm glad because this is not the reason why she is. it really pisses me off that people miss the mark. he fucking begged her and she fucking did it and i'm not even sure if she ever had a damn choice. that's fucked up and it's shit like this that puts people like woo young woo in harm's way too.
anyways agreed wholeheartedly esp with what you said about not understanding WYW's sitch she IS different and she's also a great lawyer. now what? but how many people have gotten jobs for the same reason. in fact, choi su-yeon was basically primed for this. so it's misdirected imo; he can't stand that someone, a woman with autism, could dare to be better and can't see it as anything but special treatment because otherwise what is his "deficit" for supposedly failing (when no one has expressed this) to consistently think the way she does. i think the absence part is also not her fault since she made an impulsive (and not great) decision but her boss refused to process it. sewwwww. he also already has this job so it makes extra no sense. if she gets fired that would be a lawsuit waiting to happen, doesn't he know that?
i don't see much wrong with that aspect but we def could be missing something. i hope OP shares what they think abt it