I mean, have you seen Japanese pink films? I want to see what you think about Bad Buddy Butt and The Ultimate…
gay people are treated like fun, 2D characters in these. rape, sexual assault, abuse…it's all there, used as plot devices and character development, never acknowledged as things that are wrong. the fetishizers really like it. a lot of the time, the two male leads barely kiss and have terrible chemistry—but the requirement is good looking actors that have a power imbalance and have some awkward sexual tension. that's enough for the sexual fantasies. they don't even need for it to be porn. i'd also like to point out that there are millions of movies about straight people being flawed, normal humans falling in love and living their lives. these films aren't fetishized! and neither are the ones used for for sexual entertainment like fifty shades of gray. they're seen as completely normal/sexy. but queer people dont have many movies/dramas like these. the bl industry is huge and would've been great for normalizing queer people in media—but instead they use their budgets for crazy, fetishizing straight women to live out their fantasies of their male co- workers/classmates being in a relationship via a tv drama. there's also common harassment for straight men to assault lesbian women on the street and force them to kiss. it doesn't have to be porn. gay people get fetishized however, whenever. so i absolutely hate this drama for playing into fans' desires. it's very sad, and i'm very tired :(
I mean, have you seen Japanese pink films? I want to see what you think about Bad Buddy Butt and The Ultimate…
hello! please make sure you know about the bl industry before saying things like this. i know you meant no harm, but the comparisons you made make absolutely no sense. let me explain. first, i’d like to say that this isn't porn. this is nothing close to fifty shades of gray. it's not marketed as something sexy, but rather as a coming of age drama based off a thai belief that people born on a specific day of the week have certain personality traits. most bls are marketed like this. if they were marketed as porn, the bl-obsessed fans would never watch them because it would be seen as disgusting and shameless. if these same dramas happened with straight people, the fans would not watch them because they only want to see boys with other boys! so it’s not the same thing, as you said. the important part is that they are gay. that leads me to bl fan culture. bl industry fans are known to fetishize gay men—that’s what i meant about the whole fantasizing thing. they call themselves fujoshis, which are women that like watching bl. that term started out pretty neutral, but now it's come to mean that you obsess over bl, say things like "i want to be gay omg," and "gay couples are cuter than straight couples." weird things to say, right? the bl industry fans are NOTORIOUS for it. as a result, most producer teams behind bls use badly written scripts and mediocre actors because the fans will watch it anyway as long as the actors are handsome and there is some sexual tension between them. they do it to make money, so they give the fans what they want, resulting in a poor representation of queer people. so here, you see that this isn’t simple sexual entertainment like fifty shades of gray, or a poignant people about gay men having a sexually charged encounter. it’s a set up for fujoshis to see cute boys kissing each other and fetishize them. that’s how the bl industry is. there is often rape, sexual assault, abuse, unbalanced power dynamics, homophobia, transphobia, etc because this is what the fans like to see. rape and other sexual assault is “romantic” if the aggressive male lead is using it to “punish” the softer male lead for hugging or even just talking to another guy. the fans call them husband and wife because they love heteronormativity. male leads often say, “i’m not gay because i’m not into men…but i do love (insert male love interest’s name) which is incredibly toxic and just feeds into these homophobic fans’ fantasies about straight men falling in love with each other and kissing. there’s always a fujoshi character that forces the male characters together because she “likes seeing gay couples together.” these are only few of the tropes used in bls ad nauseam. it’s really tiring! these aren’t films/dramas about realistic, flawed gay people. even producer teams acknowledge that bls aren’t even technically about boys that love boys, as it technically is supposed to be—it’s just turned into straight boys kissing each other. coming out, bullying, getting disowned is never properly talked about in these dramas because their sexuality isn’t talked about. what matters is that two boys like each other and want to kiss each other and that’s “hot.” fans also ship the actors together, who are forced to act like a couple and do fan service on stage at meet and greets (like playing sexual games with each other and kissing each other. and get this…most of the actors are straight. if the fans see them with a girlfriend, they are cancelled! it’s also known that bl actors often get harassed and sexually abused behind the scenes…their images are controlled by their company so fans can see the “pure” boys they want to see and continue to fantasize about them being together. are you starting to see why bls like these are so problematic? they’re only there for the fans!)
The drama is based on a bl novel. But since it is China, I assume they will go with the friendship route or bromance…
really? wow...thank you for letting me know. i think i would've gotten too invested had you not told me. the reason queer people don't get the representation they deserve is because of people like them :(
Thank you!! I am so happy people are being truthful about this show. It's been so frustrating to see people praise…
exactly! and tbh, as a queer person myself, it just makes me feel so useless that my sexuality is used for pure entertainment. they're not taking these diverse characters seriously, as if thinking that even if the plot is terrible, fans will still like the show as long as there is some sexual tension. is this how the producers see us? reduced down to a marketing scheme.
I don't know how I feel about this series...while I know that it is very typical for BL drama series like this…
Since this is a rom-com, it's going to be pretty lighthearted, and the romance isn't very serious since the series just started and they're focusing on building up the characters' personality through humor. personally, i like it! but don't worry, i'm sure it'll be awesome as the plot progresses :)
The name of this series should be "fan service". Period.
it's basically homophobic, at this point. i hate how BLs are just an excuse to make male actors get intimate with one another. They throw in a terrible plot, add some lighting, and then somehow the delusional fangirls screaming. this is not the kind of representation queer people deserve in media.
Good thing that I didn't listen to all the negative comments here. This is indeed a good series. I am watching…
to be honest, if no new BL series come out in thailand, i probably wouldn't complain about that. i'll be just fine watching lgbt shows from other countries where queer characters are used as more than just fanservice :) the film/drama industry is tough. if they make a bad drama and then only air it for two hours on their channel, they probably will not make a profit. you can appreciate it all you want, but that won't pay for all their production costs, unfortunately :( and i don't even mean this in a rude way, it's just the truth. this drama, overall, has not been well received by its audience.
First of all i want to say that i have enjoyed this series so far.Every couple seems to have only 2 epsidodes…
hi, yes i agree, representation is great! but i just wanted to let you know that saying "gays" is offensive since it reduces gay people down to there sexuality and dehumanizes them. saying "gay people" works though, like i just did! :))
the producers of this show had some nerve to call it a BL...this is just fanservice. wow, don't you just love it when queer people get reduced down to the cute objects of fans' sexual fantasies?
It's just fan service la... Don't expect good stories lol. You're gonna love it if you're watching for the sake…
"If you're into story, acting, production, this might not be a series for you." aka everything that makes up a show TT is this what BL has come to?? you're right, so far it's just been fan service, but why the hell did they have to waste a whole budget when they could've put the money towards an actual, good show and then done a bunch of fan service at a concert or something?? yikes...
The drama is based on a bl novel. But since it is China, I assume they will go with the friendship route or bromance…
yes, and there's nothing wrong with that, but keep in mind by saying that you like the censored adaptations of BL novels better than the novels themselves, you're supporting queer erasure and supporting the homophobic censorship laws in china. i get that you don't like romance, and i'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but saying that you don't want it to be "actual BL" is harmful because the LGBT community barely gets any representation in media. The only reason this show is a bromance is because of homophobia. We want it to be a BL so we can help normalize all sexualities and support young people of the LGBT community with people like them on tv. There are other bromance shows in china that are not censored adaptations. You could watch those.
i'd also like to point out that there are millions of movies about straight people being flawed, normal humans falling in love and living their lives. these films aren't fetishized! and neither are the ones used for for sexual entertainment like fifty shades of gray. they're seen as completely normal/sexy. but queer people dont have many movies/dramas like these. the bl industry is huge and would've been great for normalizing queer people in media—but instead they use their budgets for crazy, fetishizing straight women to live out their fantasies of their male co- workers/classmates being in a relationship via a tv drama. there's also common harassment for straight men to assault lesbian women on the street and force them to kiss. it doesn't have to be porn. gay people get fetishized however, whenever. so i absolutely hate this drama for playing into fans' desires. it's very sad, and i'm very tired :(
first, i’d like to say that this isn't porn. this is nothing close to fifty shades of gray. it's not marketed as something sexy, but rather as a coming of age drama based off a thai belief that people born on a specific day of the week have certain personality traits.
most bls are marketed like this. if they were marketed as porn, the bl-obsessed fans would never watch them because it would be seen as disgusting and shameless. if these same dramas happened with straight people, the fans would not watch them because they only want to see boys with other boys! so it’s not the same thing, as you said. the important part is that they are gay. that leads me to bl fan culture. bl industry fans are known to fetishize gay men—that’s what i meant about the whole fantasizing thing. they call themselves fujoshis, which are women that like watching bl. that term started out pretty neutral, but now it's come to mean that you obsess over bl, say things like "i want to be gay omg," and "gay couples are cuter than straight couples." weird things to say, right? the bl industry fans are NOTORIOUS for it. as a result, most producer teams behind bls use badly written scripts and mediocre actors because the fans will watch it anyway as long as the actors are handsome and there is some sexual tension between them. they do it to make money, so they give the fans what they want, resulting in a poor representation of queer people. so here, you see that this isn’t simple sexual entertainment like fifty shades of gray, or a poignant people about gay men having a sexually charged encounter. it’s a set up for fujoshis to see cute boys kissing each other and fetishize them. that’s how the bl industry is. there is often rape, sexual assault, abuse, unbalanced power dynamics, homophobia, transphobia, etc because this is what the fans like to see. rape and other sexual assault is “romantic” if the aggressive male lead is using it to “punish” the softer male lead for hugging or even just talking to another guy. the fans call them husband and wife because they love heteronormativity. male leads often say, “i’m not gay because i’m not into men…but i do love (insert male love interest’s name) which is incredibly toxic and just feeds into these homophobic fans’ fantasies about straight men falling in love with each other and kissing. there’s always a fujoshi character that forces the male characters together because she “likes seeing gay couples together.” these are only few of the tropes used in bls ad nauseam. it’s really tiring! these aren’t films/dramas about realistic, flawed gay people. even producer teams acknowledge that bls aren’t even technically about boys that love boys, as it technically is supposed to be—it’s just turned into straight boys kissing each other. coming out, bullying, getting disowned is never properly talked about in these dramas because their sexuality isn’t talked about. what matters is that two boys like each other and want to kiss each other and that’s “hot.” fans also ship the actors together, who are forced to act like a couple and do fan service on stage at meet and greets (like playing sexual games with each other and kissing each other. and get this…most of the actors are straight. if the fans see them with a girlfriend, they are cancelled! it’s also known that bl actors often get harassed and sexually abused behind the scenes…their images are controlled by their company so fans can see the “pure” boys they want to see and continue to fantasize about them being together. are you starting to see why bls like these are so problematic? they’re only there for the fans!)
the film/drama industry is tough. if they make a bad drama and then only air it for two hours on their channel, they probably will not make a profit. you can appreciate it all you want, but that won't pay for all their production costs, unfortunately :( and i don't even mean this in a rude way, it's just the truth. this drama, overall, has not been well received by its audience.