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I totally agree it became so tropey! It lost me completely at Truck-Khan.

I think I'm getting more from this drama than you, but I may very likely be filling in the gaps with my own 'stuff'. I totally respect your point of view!

Sure she manipulates him, but to protect her child. I'm for that! Plus he is well aware of what's happening. It's definitely equal between them IMO

😄 yep! Nicely wry (I totally missed it sorry)

I'm really sorry but I don't understand what you're asking 😬

'Host/Hostess' bars are a also a big thing in Korea. Though it doesn't look like this drama is going to be played as 'seedily' as they are generally depicted in K-dramaland

And a K-drama mother who sees her adult children as separate from herself and able to make their own life choices! It's like a revelation! 😆

I can't express how much I love characters like Baek Eo Jin. He reminds me a bit of Park Dong-Hoon of 'My Ahjussi' and Dong Shik of 'Misaeng'. They are characters who just embody a sense of justice for all, and see the good in even the worst people. I feel like those who fundamentally pursue a just and kind life, are a rarity in K-dramaland. (Perhaps Soo-Yeon of Extraordinary Attorney Woo as well)
I'm watching this drama, purely because this character exists.

So agree! It is gold!

If you scroll further down the comments, there's a link to SK's reaction to this episode...being TOO feminist and crossing the line. You might be asking too much of the writer, who is already receiving massive backlash for being a "short-haired feminist"😬

This is my first drama where I think the OST is absolutely terrible. I like the songs themselves, but they are, across the whole show, so jarring and mismatched to the plot. I do wonder if I'd have found the show all-around better, if the tone was better set and supported by the score.

Episode 8 is awesome! A complete shift of tone. I implore all of you who dropped after 7; COME BACK! A few minor resolutions and a slight shift in direction, I think makes it a bit more satisfying and less, pure frustration.

I agree! Hence my point about it not really being fluffy. So many sexist stereotypes in this. But I keep watching, in hope they all evolve 😬🙏 or there's a satisfying resolution (on ep 15 atm).

Well said!

I totally agree with you that he is unrealistic. To be blunt, I find her single father and her boss Myung Seok, to be unicorns too. But I like that! I like a bit of romantic fantasy in my romance. I hate seeing women end up in romantic relationships with awful men, and vice versa (see: narcissistic chaebol heir trope, ad-nauseum, in dramaland) I also think humans are pretty simple, and when we SEE something it becomes real. Here's hoping SEEing this makes it become more real.

I am really enjoying this drama. It's an easy watch despite the undertones being far less fluffy than the reviews would have you believe.
BUT : The Lin Yan Ran character is such an annoying stereotype that exists in so many C-dramas. I can honestly say I have never met a young woman IRL who persists so far, despite constant negative feedback, the way these characters do. Why is it such a THING in C-dramaland? Can anyone tell me?

I absolutely agree with you! Plus, Min Woo, to me, is very similar to the 'middle aged white male' stereotype - scared to death of losing their privilege, so go on the attack.

I agree! What an awesome watchlist!

My favourite comment on the list..."The writer herself has short hair..." (This definitely puts a different slant on Kang Tae Oh's recent interview comment that he liked women with short hair - Soompi Aug 5, 2022)
At first I found these comments laughable, but then I started to feel sick. I can't decide whether it's worse where I live, where people generally keep these widely held views to themselves, for fear of being called out; or in SK where being a vocal and overt misogynist is totally acceptable. Even worse, I'm not covinced all of those comments were written by men.

This definitely is coming across as a tribute to the Gothic Novel to me...remote estate, house of secrets, locked off rooms, creepy housekeeper, menacing woodsman/groundskeeper or in this case, chief of security, with unclear loyalties, faceless servants. And Woo Shin directly states he feels like he's entered a 19th century household. The characters can appear a bit cartoonish, but I think this is why.
Trying not to have too many expectations 😬