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He has a key, in one of the previous episodes, where Gun is talking with Fai and that other friend of him (forgotten the name) about Yotha. And Yotha just barges into the room, he says something like I have the key because Gun had forgotten it.

Agreed but also Yotha had to raise himself, he lived with his dad and older brother, no mother to learn things like communication, or healthy ways to apologize, making up after fights, reconnect, communicate, etc.

Tell me you didn’t understand the character Yotha without telling me. And that’s alright, but you need to understand that some things aren’t logical when it comes to trauma.

Yotha was traumatized by seeing his mother, all that hurt, anger and memories was/were brought back to the surface by seeing her. There is a very good reason he didn’t want to see her. Think of it as seeing your abuser all of a sudden somewhere unannounced! Because she gave no heads-up that she was coming, that’s a ambushing Yotha didn’t expect. Also it could very well be crossing Yotha’s boundaries he has towards his mother.

After that meeting with his mother Yotha wanted to be alone and alone in his trauma/misery, for him that means the bar. He didn’t count on Wa being there, he just showed up. Also it was Wa who pulled him in for the hug, it’s been Wa who before would protect him and be his “world”. And normally Yotha walks away from Klao, when Klao gets in one of those moods (seen in the past episodes), he’s not one to get aggressive with him, just mocking. But you clearly see him lose control and punched Klao back, that is probably the straw that broke the camel’s back, to an already emotional exhausting night. Not to mention that Yotha was very vulnerable, we so far haven’t seen him cry ever, at that moment everything just came pouring out.

Also Yotha falling out towards Gun was a trauma response, at that moment he could not do what Gun asked him. It probably felt like he was being controlled or that things were demanded of him. Even if Gun ment it well, at that moment, with how Yotha felt, it was too much. Sometimes you just need to leave the person alone, Yotha is also not used to being cared for, he’s been there for himself and knows himself best.

Its not mommy issues but trauma, that not something you just talk about easily. You do not see Gun talking about his trauma, for the same exact reasons!

Thank you for that extra information, though I had read your reaction, which is directly under mine ;). I do feel kind of sad that they added the kiss. Even though I really get and understand it, even sympathize with Yotha, it just creates so much problems. And I get that Wa tries to help, but sometimes seeing your ex being all helpful only makes it worse.

Btw were did you read the book? I think I need to read it after the series.

So I’m going to speak for the devil here, seeing as so many people already are writing of Yotha for what he did. I’m in no way condoning his kiss between him and Warich, it’s how things get messy but I do get it. I for one think it’s Yotha his way to confirm that there is nothing going on with him and Warit anymore because he “doesn’t feel anything anymore”. A way to end the messy toxic relationship they had.

Yotha so far has been running away from love, he is badly traumatized, by what is still not clear. Where other people try and talk things out, he has troubles with that, he can’t communicate, he knows he is wrong but just cannot express it. He has a hard time saying sorry, seen clearly by this latest episode. Probably the only relationship he had has been with Warich and I can’t see that one being healthy. He’s been living with his dad and older brother, from what I have seen from Newton I don’t think he would be such a great example for his brother. An all male house, no mother to talk to or learn how to communicate.

Also for the record Yotha does not know that Gun saw the kiss, because Gun has not said anything about it. Yotha thinks that the way Gun is now behaving is because of the fight on the street.

Also Yotha falling out at Gun is a typical trauma response, he was traumatized by his mother’s visit. Gun asking him not to go felt probably like somebody trying to control him, when he needs to fend and lose that anger. It typical that during these trauma reliving moments to snap at people closed to you.

The same way he’s been doing these “rituals” at the bar, it’s a way to cope, to find a sort of revenge in all of that trauma. It’s also not easy to let go of unhealthy coping mechanisms. The beatings that he gets from those angry ex boyfriends is just an afterthought, maybe he even thinks he deserves them. He’s not afraid of dying, usually that means he’s become somewhat numb to life. He’s being reckless because he doesn’t care. I do think that maybe seeing Gun being angry, upset, frightened will get through to him. Also Fai his harsh words were necessary, but hopefully will switch on the light, that he does need to change.

Now I kind of liked how Fai was there for Gun but I didn’t like how easily he accepted Gun wanting to change rooms, I would have advised him to think about it, talk it out with Yotha instead of running away from all of it. The same way I don’t like that the friends didn’t give Yotha the chance to talk it out with Gun. They were friends, (maybe it was more but again it was not talked about), in my opinion you try at least to talk it out. Yes Gun accepted the kiss from Yotha but the thing is Gun doesn’t seem like a guy who is angry at someone for very long. I also wouldn’t be suprised if they talked things out during the walk down the beach, which we hopefully see in the next episode.

The person I kind of have more problems with is Warich, who constantly tries to get closer and stays close to Yotha. if it’s from a few episodes back when Yotha comes into the club wearing his student uniform, him trying to find out what Gun knows about Yotha, to him being all nice, touchy and huggy when Yotha is down. Him saying he was Yotha his whole world for a while and he will be that for as long as there isn’t another person in Yotha his life who can become his new world. But if he had paid attention to Yotha and Gun he would know that there already was somebody else, and has stepped back.

Also he was the one who accepted the kiss from Yotha, he didn’t push him away. Even though I think both Warich and Klao are toxic, especially together, Klao didn’t deserve that. Like the dude is already so insecure about himself and then sees his partner constantly being close to the ex.
And not try to have any distance between them, especially when he already talked about how it makes him feel seeing all of that.

I don’t say that Warich needs to go no contact with Yotha but stepping away and creating some distance isn’t a bad thing. Certainly with the way Warich is saying some of these things to Yotha and about Yotha, I can imagine it is triggering Klao insecurities.

Saying I can’t give you what you need isn’t clearly, that’s vague. What is that Fuji cant give him? A family? Sex? Kids? Marriage? Intimacy? Sleeping together in one bed? Being taken care of? Money? I do not know if Fuji explained it further because they don’t show me that, so i have to go on with what I am being shown. So in my opinion based on what the series showed me so far, I don’t think Sei knew what the terms were and what he was agreeing to. But we can agree to disagree about that.

I do agree with you that Both Sei and Hagi could have communicated their wants and needs to their partners. I also agree that they could have an open relationship, but I think neither partner would agree to it. I think Fuji is way to possessive for it, he gets jealous if Sei only mentioned he is emailing with a coworker. And Shino (gf) seems to give the pretends to the outside world that everything is fine between them. Being in a open relationship, means she has to acknowledge that there is something not fine between them.

It seems like Shino (the gf) is only affectionate when there are other people around (the arms around the neck) or if she has needs (the hug before she went to work in the previous episode). Anytime Hagi initiated contact she barely tolates it or finds whimsical excuses for her to leave.

Saying I can’t give you what you need isn’t clearly, that’s vague. What is that Fuji cant give him? A family? Sex? Kids? Marriage? Intimacy? Sleeping together in one bed? Being taken care of? Money? We do not know if Fuji explained it further because they don’t show us that, so we have to go on what we are being shown.

You found their rejection gentle? I could only find them cruel.

So somewhere above this thread I posted a review similar to my reaction to you. In which I added some things. I said - after the part where Fuji said “i can’t give you what you need” - I’m sorry but that’s not how you communicate that, because it’s vague as hell. You explain to said person what exactly you can’t give, so that expectations can be amended, expressed or met. Also if Fuji had explained it clearly, Sei probably wouldn’t even have asked sex of Fuji because he knew how he felt/thought about it. I do agree Sei also could have asked or communicated, maybe I’m wrong but it seems like Fuji proposed said deal sometime after Sei his parents died, maybe he wasn’t in the right mindset.

I do agree with you that it is weird for Fuji to act all controlling, possessive and jealous around Sei. Fuji is already isolating and controlling Sei so much and making Sei depended on him, in that way I definitely see the abuse of which you are speaking. Deliberately denying a person sexually without giving him any sort of outlet is also abusive and controlling.

If and that is a big if because we do not know enough about Fuji, if he is asexual, its fine to be in a sexless relationship, if your partner also agreed and feels the same. If not you’ll always have somebody whose needs aren’t met, which will lead to frustration. An outlet could be to open up the relationship, with “rules and boundaries”, but seeing how possessive Fuji is about Sei, I do not see that happening.

For the relationship part you could say they are in a relationship because they agreed to it, though they act more like roommates (more like Sei is Fuji dirty little secret, because I do not see them meet each other outside of the apartment). If it’s a romantic relationship I question because so far I haven’t seen anything romantic happen between them. Fuji does try to take care of Sei in his way, they seem to be friends before.

I wouldn’t be suprised that after his parents died he is/was traumatized and has/had survivors guilt. He probably was very vulnerable, felt like a burden, scared to be alone, and here is his friend who wants to take care of him, stay with him “forever”. That must have sounded like a good deal. But I think overtime that guilt and trauma started to eat at him, combined with constantly being rejected. Only getting support the way Fuji could give instead of sometimes a hug or a hand to hold, might also made things worse, words can only do so much. But I’m speculating and putting my own experiences in those speculations.

I found both partners quite cruel in this episode.

With Shino (gf) pretending to be intimate/touchy with Hagi when they are around the friends, pretending everything is alright. The arms around the neck, felt the same way, the hug (also initiated by her) felt in ep 1. That she only did it for herself, the hug was because of her needs. Same as the arms around the neck, it felt like she needed to look good in front of the friends. I question why she had the door open while she was showering, was it just another way to antagonize Hagi? Was her hope to have Hagi come on to her once more, so she could reject him?

And in today’s episode Fuji practically flees from Sei - the moment Sei mentioned wanting to have sex - which is such a cruel rejection!

Fuji can’t even explain it properly when he proposes his “business” deal to Sei, he disguises it with “I can’t give you what you might need”. I’m sorry, but that is not how you communicate that, because it is vague as hell. You explain to said person what exactly you can’t give so that expectations can be amended, expressed or met.

I don’t understand why people tend to act so prudish when it comes to talking about sex. It is normal to want to talk about your wants and needs. It should be just as normal to say hey I don’t feel it lately, or hey it’s been a while, what’s going on.

As for Fuji, yeah maybe he is Asexual or maybe he has trauma, but that is no reason to be that cruel to his partner. To the point that Sei is blaming himself and consequently thinks he is the problem. If Fuji had actually talked about it and explained things cleaely, Sei wouldn’t be questioning himself. Sei probably wouldn’t even have asked sex of Fuji.

I found both partners quite cruel in this episode.

With Shino (gf) pretending to be intimate/touchy with Hagi when they are around the friends, pretending everything is alright. The arms around the neck, felt the same way, the hug (also initiated by her) felt in ep 1.
That she only did it for herself, the hug was because of her needs. Same as the arms around the neck, it felt like she needed to look good in front of the friends. I question why she had the door open while she was showering, was it just another way to antagonize Hagi? Was her hope to have Hagi come on to her once more, so she could reject him?

And Fuji can’t even explain it properly when he proses his “business” deal to Sei, he disguises it with “I can’t give you what you might need”. And he practically flees from Sei the moment he mentioned it, which is such a cruel rejection!

I don’t understand why people tend to act so prudish when it comes to talking about sex. It is normal to want to talk about your wants and needs. It should be just as normal to say hey I don’t feel it lately, or hey it’s been a while, what’s going on.

As for Fuji, yeah maybe he is Asexual or maybe he has trauma, but that is no reason to be that cruel to his partner. To the point that Sei is blaming himself and consequently thinks he is the problem. If Fuji had actually talked about it and cleared things up, Sei wouldn’t be questioning himself.

I have to agree with you that both partners seem to be somewhat abusive towards their partners. Maybe not intentionally from Fuji his side but it is there.

Right?! And he’s not giving that lecture to Pepper who is actually dating, who is going against the whole idols can’t date thing. I would have believed it was Thame his protection if he talked to Pepper the same way.

This feels more like a guy who is jealous and wants to create discord between Thame and Po. I’m not looking forward to next week, I agree with you that it feels like he’s setting up Po for something. I feel more and more that Jun is just ignoring the hints that are being given by him people. The amount of uncomfortableness from Po is palpable, Jun should have noticed it by now. The fact that he was constantly flirting with the GF of pepper (forgot the name), I can’t imagine she didn’t say something to him about it.

I wouldn’t be suprised if it turns out that he actually likes Po.

Hé is the only thing I do not really like. Leave Po and Thame alone. Saying things like this is why you and Thame don’t work, like dude that would mean it also can’t for you. I don’t like how he’s trying to come between Thame and Po, just let them be. And take a hint, Po is uncomfortable!

Agreed. Though when I heard Thame his words to Po the first thing I thought was, Jikes that’s gonna be misinterpreted. Glad Pepper said seconds later what I was thinking.

It’s because of JohanNorth their story that I’ll score this a 7,5 maybe an 8. If it was more episodes with HillTer or only them, I would’ve scored them a 5. And my lowest what I ever scored was a 6,5. I’m the end I couldn’t stand Hill or Ter anymore. Honestly even seeing Hill in episode 16 got me annoyed. That couple could have rapped their story up in 6 maybe 7 episodes. Not 13! which in ep 12 or 13 they had 34 minutes of flashbacks, which were just ridiculous!

The author said that how Santa acted out Gun, was like Gun had come straight out of the book, she wrote.

So maybe it’s just you who doesn’t like that sort of character. Or you are either still hung up on the PerthSaint ship. You can have your opinions but to say Santa can’t act, is just far reaching! And you know, if it’s gives you such ick, why keep watching? Not every show is meant for you.

Agreed to all of it. I felt like I needed to take a shower and rub my skin raw. And the way she did it out in the open but in front of the owner of the hotel and he didn’t seem to care/mind, is just brrr. Also her fixation on Sangmin who is a paying customer, a VIP no less 🤢🤮

Yeah No episode 3 was not funny, it was disgusting! What Poppy (the manager) was doing is/was sexual harassment, and the owner who just stood by and watched while she groped and sniffed was equally disturbing. Not to mention that she tried to do the same with a paying guest!

This whole episode was just so different from the first 2 episodes, where the first two episodes were funny, lighthearted and just fun to watch at, this episode was completely the opposite. And before people start about me being prudish or what so ever, I didn’t mind the nc scenes, even though they felt so random. It’s the whole mindset of a person thinking they are allowed to touch people because they are higher or older then other people. I have a problem with the fact that of it was a male manager who did that to his female younger staff, he would have been fired a long time ago, possibly even arrested for SA.

And it was clear as daylight that that hotel owner was behind Dinneaw getting fired, he comes a cross as a guy who can’t accept no for an answer and just uses money or force to get his way. I hope to god we only get one more episode in that hotel and then go back to the homestead.

I would like to see more of the 2 couples, who had barely any screen time in this episode.

Yes I was talking about the shower scene, which was just so beautiful. I have rarely if ever seen a couple smile or laugh during a sex scene. But I think that’s what made it beautiful for me, it seems very realistic. Sex isn’t always serious, it can have sparks of mischievousness, like how SP decided nope we are going showering together, I’m not waiting another moment. But I also liked the scene with ZX in the closet and SP having him in his lap, and the scene after the credits of them. They just made it seem so natural, so relaxed and fun, which is what sex can be.

I agree with your point about those comments in series that it hurt. Like are these men all just so inpatient to not take it easy and slow? About your comment where you like to see a couple be versatile, there was a recent one out of Thailand which is called, Every You, Every Me, it was a 8 episode series and during ep 6 the top said “Do you want to switch positions next time”, he says it twice during different scenes. But I do agree it would be nice to have series where the couples actually switch. It would hopefully stop some of the misconceptions bl fans seem to have.

About the inappropriate stuff, I mean I have seen enough negative reactions on Mdl. If it’s for example for unknown or the onl1y one, which in both stepbrothers are having feelings for one another. Or a k-drama called Goblin, in which a goblin falls in love with a girl who is 19 (or 29, depends on what part of the series you are watching) and the goblin is over 900 years old, there the comments where also not mild, because of the age gaps. Personally I wonder if those people can actually see the difference between fiction/fantasy and real life.