CKT_DramaFan

2-3 more days depending on where you’re at in the world. Join the rest of us in the sweet Red Sleeve torture.

She didn’t have an excuse to bring her back until they needed to set up the staff for the new concubine. Also, at the new concubine’s palace, she wasn’t directly in front of San but still in the periphery so his mom made it where he was bound to run into her to kind of force them to face their feelings (my guess).

As for Hwabin, I kind of draw a slight parallel to Doek-Ro’s personality. Just watching their first meeting, she had the guts to stare straight at the King (against decorum since she wasn’t official yet). I also find her to be the typical nobleman’s spoiled daughter who thinks she can get away with anything. Like Doek-Ro, she assumes all nobility think like her which is that servants don’t matter, even if it’s one sent by a Royal elder. For someone like Hwabin, everyone’s fondness for Doek-Im would just make her more jealous. She had the nerve to lie straight to the King’s face about Doek-Im’s whereabouts.

A picture she took of him at the pres-con 😂

Yeah. Just about all the sageuks I’ve watched it’s about balancing the factions. They’re so powerful because of marrying their daughters into the Royal Family and it’s a status quo they try to keep, leading to harem fights and infertile Queens/concubines or royal children dying young. I really don’t think it’s a coincidence that they had multiple back to back generations of Queens truly being infertile.

I can see why Wolhye said it’s hard for someone like her to survive palace life. Being liked by everyone, she’s marked by Hwabin as a target as soon as she returned 😞.

I always found it funny that those who opposed Yi-San’s ascending the throne used the excuse that they didn’t want a crazy criminal ‘s son to be King but then turn around and try to replace him with his brother who shares the same crazy criminal father. 😂 Surprising since he the son of the Crown Princess Consort while the others were sons of concubines (former maids). Not a great cover-up for not wanting him to be King because he had differing political views and can’t be turned into a puppet.

https://youtu.be/Ji9xmqok-MY Seeing her in the crying scene as a child, she does remind me of Kim YooJung. Her features from childhood until now haven’t excepted she’s matured beautifully. Just realized in her career she’s been Yi-SAN’s immediate family twice now (as his baby sister when she was like 4/5 yo, and now as his wife) and a Court Lady apprentice twice.

It’s even better subbed. 🤣😂

https://youtu.be/BQt_tC9JPcw
😂 It’s crazy how a mis-translation can get out of hand. She said the ratings will go to 19% not the scene would have been rated 19+ 🤦🏻‍♀️ Umm…it’s a sageuk on public TV not OCN.

But her reasons are sound…if she can’t have it properly, she doesn’t want it. If in the next life he is still King (cause he likes being King), ignore her because she doesn’t want to live through the same life again. Imagine going life after life not being able to publicly called your children by their name and they can’t call you mother. If he wasn’t King, that’ll be different because she can then have it properly.

😂🤣

My perspective: The two rejections didn’t really have anything to do with it since he was used to that because no matter the rejections she’s his handmaiden who will always be by his side so he thought. He was angry that she didn’t trust him about the rescue of the Court Ladies and also put herself in danger. She was angry he kept her in the dark that he already knew but was giving Doek-Ro a chance to confess but that meant continued suffering of the Court Ladies. He was also upset because he was forced to act on his plans earlier because Doek-Im interfered. This is the point where their relationship was tested by their competing priorities. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place. For her, it’s her friend’s life versus the man she loves and for him it’s being King versus being the man who loves her. They both said things out of anger that they didn’t mean. He thought she’d beg him to stay, she did as he commanded and left. That, along with her angry words, made him think that maybe he was wrong about her feelings. Also, he realized that his behavior was starting to be irrational whenever she was in danger and he realizes he’ll have to make decisions as King that will hurt her. Remember that this King likes to have everything under his control. With her at his sister’s, he knows she’s safe and he’s able to control himself. I thought it was interesting about his conversation with his mom, he can’t control her and he can’t control his emotions around her.

😂🤣 I knew they couldn’t hold their composure during that drunk painting scene 🤣

So she indirectly admits her love without saying it. “If I didn’t want to, I would have run away at all cost” was her answer before the “If I can’t obtain it properly” line?

From what I read, people who watched the old version and read the novel said that Junho’s Yi-San is like the middle ground. Lee Seo-Jin’s version was good but too nice and novel version was a**hole like you said 😂🤣. In the old version, Doek-Ro’s character killed a bunch of merchants, made up stuff to frame them, interrogated Doek-Im, betrayed him and conspired with his enemy, and tried to kill the Queen but his punishment was still exile.

What Ponca said. 😊 Queen is the mother of the country and cannot be left vacant long.

Crossing my fingers the blu-ray happens. I’ve seen multiple postings on Twitter about both blu-ray and photo book..

Ep13, She started distancing herself because she realized how much her words can potentially influence the King’s decisions. Remember that he talks to her, confides in her. She told him to root out all the traitors but that would mean he’d have to kill them all, one of them ended up being his younger half-brother. She feels it’s suffocating because you have to watch what you say, unlike before, there’s consequences. The consequence, the King is racked with guilt for killing his brother.
It’s not really promoted as much but there are many accounts of strong females who resist the norms throughout Asian history in different classes of society. Plus, their relationship had developed to a point where they were sometimes straight forward with each other.
But we all have different perspectives and no one is right or wrong since everyone views things through different lenses. It’s nice to be able to have these conversations.

Towards end of ep13 when he’s confronting his mom about Doek-Ro going through her to meet the Queen Dowager regarding concubine selection (Doek-Ro cheated the system so the selection process was just a formality). He said they already chose his Queen and concubine, you should be happy since the concubine is from her clan.

https://twitter.com/todorokigoo/status/1468232295933005829?s=21 This is her at the Baeksang Awards a couple of years ago. She’s beautiful no matter how they want to judge.