Exactly, breakup with her is his happy ending. I don't know what kind of hocus pocus writers would have to do…
He's not happy. He loves her and understands how hard it must be for her. Life with a deaf is not easy, especially for a person like her. She wants to share and talk about all she sees, hears, thinks, all her feelings, etc. With a man like Jin Woo which is not only deaf but very introverted, who expresses himself only through his paintings, it's difficult to wait and be patient and ask and ask and ask... And never be sure she gets an answer.
Remember he didn't say anything to her about what she heard about the fire, the other painter, not even about Seo Kyung and how their relationship was and ended and why he was in that container for 7 years. She had to put togheter 1+1 every time. And Seo Kyung added to her insecurities, because she is a sadist and a very good manipulator. In the moment he wanted to talk about some things, she refused to listen. I don't know, maybe she riched a limit that moment? She only needed a little more patience to listen what he had to say. But there is also his mistake, his wish to explain it came a little too late. She felt that he doesn't love her, not even respect her, maybe?
The problem is that Jin Woo lives in his quiet world, without any idea about many things. I am not sure he even knows what happened in the fire, why and how it started. Why the other painter hates him, nobody explained him anything. He has a very stormy inner life, he is capable of very strong feelings but what he let outside is very little. I would be frustrated with a man who cannot open himself, there are wide areas inside him which will never be explored by his partner, he seals them. The life with a person like Jin Woo is not easy.
I think she only came into this relationship out of curiosity and infatuation. And that is why when things get…
The writer did a great job. She is how she is and the writer was spot on. Nobody is perfect and nobody lives under a glass bell. If you want only butterflies, rainbows and pink flowers then you watch the wrong series.
Stop using the term toxic in this way. It's normal human behaviour. It's messy. Toxic implies manipulative, de-humanising…
She drowned in self pityness, going down very quickly into a spiral of self inflicted feelings. He turned on the radio and she refused to listen to it if he couldn't enjoy the music. In a way it's to be appreciated her way of looking at a relationship, her wish to do things together, to speak, to laugh, to listen to music together, etc. But she knew from the 1st second that with him all these are impossible. Take it or leave it. She took it, made him involved and then left it. I think of it as selfishness. And weak, she didn't fight enough to go through the barriers between them. The way she chose to tell him her feelings is not different of Seo Kyung's when she broke up with him 20 years ago. It's like the 5 stages of mourning, she mixed up all: denial, anger, depression, negotiation. The last 5th is acceptance. I love Jin Woo's character, he wanted all or nothing. Keeping him for days just waiting for a word from her, looking all day at the phone being afraid he will miss her message. At his age it's embarassing. The best decision to break up. Let's see if...
Why do you think that it's better to throw something away than fix it?
Agree with you 100%. I think exactly the same :) But I still hope she will realise that's the wrong way she's taking the whole situation. I used the word "epiphany" in another comment, I hope she will "wake up" from this stupid "trance" she's now, she's now walking and behaving like a zombie. And then repair the thing instead of throw it away. He loves her very much and would do everything for her, including let her go if he believes she's better without him. It would be really sad.
are you kidding me? He's very handsome and is doing great as Cha Jinwoo. not everything's about looks, "most promising…
Most of people are very shallow these days. Are mostly interested in looks and the inner part is not that important to them. Most of celebrities are dating or marry young, beautiful models or non-celebrity described like "very beautiful". Trophy wives or girlfriends. When they walk on the red carpet they should look perfect. The extremely toxic "perfect culture". The same standards are valid also for men, it's not easier for them either. They have to have perfect body, perfect skin, perfect hair, perfect outfit, perfect girlfriend, bla bla. It's the fans' fault, they expect perfection all the time. If they would meet their idols right after they come out the bed in the morning, they wouldn't be able to recognise them. They make celebrities' life so hard and they pretend they love them. They love an image and that's all.
The writers are correctthe Honeymoon Phase 0-6 months is followed by Uncertainty Stage. +6mosAnyone whose had…
Not all relationships go after those rules. I've been married for 21 years now and never had those "phases". Love is not complicated actually. Love him/her or not. It becomes complicated only if you make it that.
Nah, Jung Woo is doing fine, we don't need to look into visuals if the story is good, and it's not only abt the…
Some people have an obsession with the visuals. Greatest actors in the world are actually not handsome. A young actor cannot impersonate Jin Woo, this character has a history, a certain age, etc. He must be somewhere in his late 40s and they dream of an actor under 30 years and only one with a 6-pack :)) Ridiculous.
The writers are correctthe Honeymoon Phase 0-6 months is followed by Uncertainty Stage. +6mosAnyone whose had…
If she loves Jin Woo as she says, she shouldn't collapse after the first bump on the road. She has some bite in her, she told Seo Kyung "I understand your curator-artist thing but Jin Woo has also me" (she marked her own territory setting some boundries to Seo Kyung) and I thought that is over, she finally starts to have some reason, to carry herself like a normal person for her age ... but no. That was the 1st positive fact and I gave some points in her favour. But it was like a proof of pride and that's it.
The 2nd fact in her favour is that she's going far lengths to find Jin Woo's roots. And when she found them she helps him to make peace with them. It's a great achievement for Jin Woo, the healing of a deep wound. I don't think they will break up. I still hope that she will have a kind of epiphany :)) And will start to act normal again.
Moeun annoys me big time right now. At their age it's laughable to arrive in this kind of situation and behave…
I don't expect her to be in the "honeymoon phase". I expect her at +30 years old to be realistic and think better. She was able to talk and be ferm in her position about being together with Jin Woo to everybody, her parents and brother and friend. I admired her for that, for her strength, but now she is getting cold feet. A mature and intelligent woman should always try to see what is behind appearances. She saw Seo Kyung going into Jin Woo's house and started to have doubts. Why? Because she didn't ask him about Seo Kyung, didn't know his feelings for her. When he wanted to explain she refused to listen, she preferred to go for days in her own head, being depressed and starting to have regrets. If you don't know what happened it's simple: ask. And you get answers. No answers is also an aswer...
No, to blow things out of proportion is not common. Not when she chose to be with a man with a troubled past and with a special situation - those she knew from the start. Think about him now: she said "I love you, I want to be with you" and she now makes steps back. What will he feel and think? He was rejected all his life: by his mother, by his school comrades, by Seo Kyung, by neighbours, by almost all people around him. And what would he think looking at her now? Is that a "common" way from her - you think? She "chased" him, she made him to open,to tear down his walls brick by brick, to show her his weak sides - and now what is she doing? Yes, mature people should be able to communicate, even if it's painful. That's a proof of being mature.
Am I the only one who doubts Seo Kyung's claim of hearing Jinwoo talk in his sleep? I mean, in the Japanese version,…
No, I have the same doubts. She is just a sadist ;) She's jealous and I expect some crap from her regarding that watch, too. She hurt so many people in the past just because she didn't say what really happened with that fire. I think that "stalker" was not just a stranger to her. The real reason for her leaving was the consequences of that fire, she wanted to get lost. Maybe I have too much imagination :) But Jin Woo and Do Hoon still have issues after so many years. And because of her behaviour, Moeun pays the price now, Jin Woo became the way he is, so closed and cautious because of what Seo Kyung did to him in the past.
If you love somebody you don't expect anything in return. "I love you, you must love me back. And just as much…
You're right. I wrote some comments last week, you can find them on the other pages somewhere down. I was saying at that moment that it could be a sign of consideration and respect for Moeun if Jin Woo would sit with her and explain the complication with Seo Kyung (because he knows perfectly that she's not a mentally balanced person and the 2 women work at the same place and see eachother every day), his past, where the burn mark on his shoulder is coming from, etc. Moeun had to put alone 1+1 together and I think she misunderstood some things. The past it's past and nothing to do with Moeun, but not when it bursts like Seo Kyung in the present and goes over limits. His fault is that he didn't push her back and show her place. He was very undecided with Seo Kyung. But Moeun has also a fault because she didn't ask and refused to listen when he wanted to explain. The result is not good.
If you love somebody you don't expect anything in return. "I love you, you must love me back. And just as much…
You misunderstood my comment. When I said that when you love somebody you don't expect anything in return I was referring to your comment. You said that she always was the first to show love, to confess, etc. Yes, it's true, but that doesn't mean that he should react or give back the same way. It's her choice to be like that. She needs the love of a man she doesn't know how he lived before she met him. She could ask. But she didn't. She could tell him that she's not the biological daughter of her mother and she's the result of an adultery, but she didn't. And that's something extremelly important for her, because all her life she had issues with that. They both have secrets.
What MoEun is feeling is understandable and it has nothing to do with age, it's all about the dynamic of their…
If you love somebody you don't expect anything in return. "I love you, you must love me back. And just as much as I love you." It's wrong. If she decided to go on this relationship in this way, no questions, no explanations - then have no expectations. Love is not "give me to give you back". You can't be like that with a man having a special life, a special past and some special difficulties. And she knew that from the first moment. If you hear something and you don't understand the circumstances then ask. She avoided to talk to him, only took some things she thought she saw and heard and misunderstood them. And even after he tried to explain her what was about, she didn't want to talk about it. He tried to stop her and she refused to stay for a talk. And it is about the age, she behaves like a teenager. Is what she's doing now. She's not a victim but she behaves like one. Nothing that happened was an offence to her, she just happened to see and hear some things without any connection directly to her. If she asked Jin Woo about those things, he would have explained her. If she decided to visit Jin Woo that rainy evening (she was a coward) she knew the truth now. "I love you but I don't trust you" - it's teenage level. She should know better.
I don't judge Mo Eun for feeling however she feels, I validate her feelings LOL but... Girl, you stressed me out…
Moeun annoys me big time right now. At their age it's laughable to arrive in this kind of situation and behave like that. What annoys me is that kind of attitude "We'll speak another time". Why another time? Here and now, make it-or-break it. Why going for days like a zombie?
His fault is he didn't open himself to explain his past. The 2 women are working in the same place, he knew how pushy Seo Kyung is. Sooner or later impossible not to happen some misunderstandings like "the rainy evening". It was easily avoided if he told firmly and clearly Seo Kyung that she is past and he has nothing left for her and let him alone. And Moeun should understand that he has a past, all people over 30 have somebody in their past. If she loves him, she has to accept him with his past. It's part of him and cannot be changed. Not his fault for Seo Kyung's obsession. She looks like struck by lightning, even if he explained what happened. What more can he do now? I think it's stupid. And now I expect that a lot of people come with their own opinions. Her brother, her friend, her parents, Johan of course. All kinds of influence from all directions, she is confused enough and everybody has to tell own thoughts. No good outcome.
She's perfect for that part in the way she is. It's not about beauty. Those clothes and that hair define her,…
I think she wants more to make great books because she loves them. Some women are simply not interested in spending their time sitting a half day on a chair at hairdresser or shopping clothes and shoes for hours. In a world where the outward appearance is so important, some people appreciate more the inward. For them is more important to know and find new things using their own head, than to look great and just fill the space like a beautifully dressed dummy.
Remember he didn't say anything to her about what she heard about the fire, the other painter, not even about Seo Kyung and how their relationship was and ended and why he was in that container for 7 years. She had to put togheter 1+1 every time. And Seo Kyung added to her insecurities, because she is a sadist and a very good manipulator. In the moment he wanted to talk about some things, she refused to listen. I don't know, maybe she riched a limit that moment? She only needed a little more patience to listen what he had to say. But there is also his mistake, his wish to explain it came a little too late. She felt that he doesn't love her, not even respect her, maybe?
The problem is that Jin Woo lives in his quiet world, without any idea about many things. I am not sure he even knows what happened in the fire, why and how it started. Why the other painter hates him, nobody explained him anything. He has a very stormy inner life, he is capable of very strong feelings but what he let outside is very little. I would be frustrated with a man who cannot open himself, there are wide areas inside him which will never be explored by his partner, he seals them.
The life with a person like Jin Woo is not easy.
He turned on the radio and she refused to listen to it if he couldn't enjoy the music. In a way it's to be appreciated her way of looking at a relationship, her wish to do things together, to speak, to laugh, to listen to music together, etc. But she knew from the 1st second that with him all these are impossible. Take it or leave it. She took it, made him involved and then left it. I think of it as selfishness. And weak, she didn't fight enough to go through the barriers between them. The way she chose to tell him her feelings is not different of Seo Kyung's when she broke up with him 20 years ago.
It's like the 5 stages of mourning, she mixed up all: denial, anger, depression, negotiation. The last 5th is acceptance.
I love Jin Woo's character, he wanted all or nothing. Keeping him for days just waiting for a word from her, looking all day at the phone being afraid he will miss her message. At his age it's embarassing. The best decision to break up.
Let's see if...
But I still hope she will realise that's the wrong way she's taking the whole situation. I used the word "epiphany" in another comment, I hope she will "wake up" from this stupid "trance" she's now, she's now walking and behaving like a zombie.
And then repair the thing instead of throw it away. He loves her very much and would do everything for her, including let her go if he believes she's better without him. It would be really sad.
The same standards are valid also for men, it's not easier for them either. They have to have perfect body, perfect skin, perfect hair, perfect outfit, perfect girlfriend, bla bla.
It's the fans' fault, they expect perfection all the time. If they would meet their idols right after they come out the bed in the morning, they wouldn't be able to recognise them. They make celebrities' life so hard and they pretend they love them. They love an image and that's all.
A young actor cannot impersonate Jin Woo, this character has a history, a certain age, etc. He must be somewhere in his late 40s and they dream of an actor under 30 years and only one with a 6-pack :)) Ridiculous.
The 2nd fact in her favour is that she's going far lengths to find Jin Woo's roots. And when she found them she helps him to make peace with them. It's a great achievement for Jin Woo, the healing of a deep wound.
I don't think they will break up. I still hope that she will have a kind of epiphany :)) And will start to act normal again.
A mature and intelligent woman should always try to see what is behind appearances. She saw Seo Kyung going into Jin Woo's house and started to have doubts. Why? Because she didn't ask him about Seo Kyung, didn't know his feelings for her. When he wanted to explain she refused to listen, she preferred to go for days in her own head, being depressed and starting to have regrets.
If you don't know what happened it's simple: ask. And you get answers. No answers is also an aswer...
No, to blow things out of proportion is not common. Not when she chose to be with a man with a troubled past and with a special situation - those she knew from the start. Think about him now: she said "I love you, I want to be with you" and she now makes steps back. What will he feel and think? He was rejected all his life: by his mother, by his school comrades, by Seo Kyung, by neighbours, by almost all people around him. And what would he think looking at her now?
Is that a "common" way from her - you think?
She "chased" him, she made him to open,to tear down his walls brick by brick, to show her his weak sides - and now what is she doing?
Yes, mature people should be able to communicate, even if it's painful. That's a proof of being mature.
She's jealous and I expect some crap from her regarding that watch, too.
She hurt so many people in the past just because she didn't say what really happened with that fire. I think that "stalker" was not just a stranger to her. The real reason for her leaving was the consequences of that fire, she wanted to get lost.
Maybe I have too much imagination :)
But Jin Woo and Do Hoon still have issues after so many years.
And because of her behaviour, Moeun pays the price now, Jin Woo became the way he is, so closed and cautious because of what Seo Kyung did to him in the past.
I was saying at that moment that it could be a sign of consideration and respect for Moeun if Jin Woo would sit with her and explain the complication with Seo Kyung (because he knows perfectly that she's not a mentally balanced person and the 2 women work at the same place and see eachother every day), his past, where the burn mark on his shoulder is coming from, etc. Moeun had to put alone 1+1 together and I think she misunderstood some things.
The past it's past and nothing to do with Moeun, but not when it bursts like Seo Kyung in the present and goes over limits. His fault is that he didn't push her back and show her place. He was very undecided with Seo Kyung.
But Moeun has also a fault because she didn't ask and refused to listen when he wanted to explain.
The result is not good.
When I said that when you love somebody you don't expect anything in return I was referring to your comment. You said that she always was the first to show love, to confess, etc. Yes, it's true, but that doesn't mean that he should react or give back the same way. It's her choice to be like that.
She needs the love of a man she doesn't know how he lived before she met him. She could ask. But she didn't. She could tell him that she's not the biological daughter of her mother and she's the result of an adultery, but she didn't. And that's something extremelly important for her, because all her life she had issues with that.
They both have secrets.
If she decided to go on this relationship in this way, no questions, no explanations - then have no expectations. Love is not "give me to give you back". You can't be like that with a man having a special life, a special past and some special difficulties. And she knew that from the first moment.
If you hear something and you don't understand the circumstances then ask. She avoided to talk to him, only took some things she thought she saw and heard and misunderstood them. And even after he tried to explain her what was about, she didn't want to talk about it. He tried to stop her and she refused to stay for a talk.
And it is about the age, she behaves like a teenager. Is what she's doing now. She's not a victim but she behaves like one. Nothing that happened was an offence to her, she just happened to see and hear some things without any connection directly to her. If she asked Jin Woo about those things, he would have explained her. If she decided to visit Jin Woo that rainy evening (she was a coward) she knew the truth now.
"I love you but I don't trust you" - it's teenage level. She should know better.
His fault is he didn't open himself to explain his past. The 2 women are working in the same place, he knew how pushy Seo Kyung is. Sooner or later impossible not to happen some misunderstandings like "the rainy evening". It was easily avoided if he told firmly and clearly Seo Kyung that she is past and he has nothing left for her and let him alone.
And Moeun should understand that he has a past, all people over 30 have somebody in their past. If she loves him, she has to accept him with his past. It's part of him and cannot be changed. Not his fault for Seo Kyung's obsession.
She looks like struck by lightning, even if he explained what happened. What more can he do now?
I think it's stupid.
And now I expect that a lot of people come with their own opinions. Her brother, her friend, her parents, Johan of course. All kinds of influence from all directions, she is confused enough and everybody has to tell own thoughts. No good outcome.
Some women are simply not interested in spending their time sitting a half day on a chair at hairdresser or shopping clothes and shoes for hours.
In a world where the outward appearance is so important, some people appreciate more the inward. For them is more important to know and find new things using their own head, than to look great and just fill the space like a beautifully dressed dummy.