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OK, that's your opinion. I disagree 180 degrees, especially regarding what you insist on calling rape. There is zero comparison between the two incidents you mention. They're night and day. XS wanted what happened to happen, drunk or not, and MR fought that creepy VP all the way. Anyway, XS is over it, the dad's over it, the mom's over it but you're still bent out of shape about it. You don't really get the final say about what things ARE and ARE NOT, as you keep trying to make it so. It's merely your opinion and most commenters seem to disagree with you. And yes, people sometimes choose to forgive that which others find unforgivable. The world could use a lot MORE forgiveness, especially when the forgiven has expressed remorse and apologized, as YJ did.

I can get behind agreeing to disagree. Have a nice day as well.

KUDOS to the actor portraying XS and YJ's dad. He has shown us the man's shock, struggle, stress, bargaining with himself, considering the ramifications, etc. and it's all been very believable to me. He was an asshole at times, but aren't we all when first confronted with something that goes utterly against the grain of what we thought was something foundational to our belief system? He lashed out, he did the BL parental-collapse thing, he pouted, he was cruel, but little by little the whole time he was allowing part of his heart and head to remain open to new possibilities. He wanted to find a way to keep loving his boys and he's done it and I'm proud of him.

I love the way the actor had the dad take slow, deep breaths when he was working to control his emotions and be civilized and thoughtful in expressing himself. That is something I do myself when upset and it is very useful as a tool to maintain one's equilibrium. The world would be a better place if more people took three deep breaths before they spoke.

I also love the actress and the character of the mom. A little out there in her original thinking, but I'm OK with that, such people exist. And she's been wonderful the last few eps as she has been on a journey of her own in realizing that she has enabled YJ at times in destructive behavior. She's not doing that anymore, and she has taken responsibility and apologized for it, even urging XS to take his time in forgiving. I just find her very appealing in her reasoned/calm demeanor.

I admire the actor portraying the dad. He has shown us his struggle and it's been very believable. He was an asshole at times but never stopped working, little by little, on his head and heart to find a way to keep loving and supporting his boys. Bravo.

I want them to be versatile as hell, but I want to SEE LC be 0. :P

"Give and take" is the BEST. As LC is about to find out. However, I'm slightly annoyed to see them still acting as though bottoming is a chore to be endured rather than a pleasure to be savored, and that LC is somehow "giving in" by agreeing to a versatile relationship.. But then, this is a BL, where top/bottom is an obsession so given how good the rest of this show has been, I won't sweat the "I's and the O's." :D

"that incident" is the crux of their relationship drama. It was not "thrown in" somehow by accident. It was the very center of all the hoopla that followed. That sexual interlude is SUPPOSED to be in the back of your mind when YS is in a scene. Tension. Gray areas. Emotional/psychological struggle. This is what drama is. It's funny you act like you can't use actual words to describe the hotel sex scene because it's so utterly unspeakable. lol The writers got you right where they wanted you.

And if Dad can let go of those feelings, then so can you. There are MUCH worse horrors in the world to expend energy on.

I'm not trying to be rude or a smart ass, but seriously, wouldn't this be a great cause for some deep reflection as to WHY your thinking is the way it is on this matter? They are not blood-related, the primary obstacle to STRAIGHT intra-family romances, they are ten years apart in age so did not "grow up" together, they are not hurting anyone who isn't CHOOSING to be hurt, and they are well-aware of the rarity of their feelings for each other and have given it a LOT of thought over time. This is not happening rashly. So what, exactly, is the objection? is it unusual? Yes. So are many other beautiful and lasting things. Does it require the dad to examine himself deeply? Yes. He's done that and he has chosen LOVE. I am very proud of Dad.

My thinking is that a lot of people who object to the step-brother relationship are doing so as a result of their OWN societal brain-washing and conditioning. Society and culture teaches us good things and it teaches us lots of hurtful bullshit too. It is up to us to separate what is useful from what is not and go forward from there. The world is not lacking in hate, for goodness sake, so why wouldn't we choose to support all the love we possibly can, regardless of the angle from which it comes?

Mei Fang is a great and loyal friend to all of them, but especially to MR and LC. Just as with all kinds of people, some Fujoshis are intrusive and annoying but others are supportive and respectful. So what if she, for some unknown reason be it DNA or otherwise, LOVES two guys in a loving relationship? If only all gay couples got that kind of unconditional support from those around them.

Your completely unself-aware, multiple use of the classic SJW term "problematic" is a hilariously transparent giveaway of where you are coming from in general. This show's not problematic except to a few whiners like you.

Where was it acknowledged that not every Indian person would agree? I must have missed that and would be glad to see it.

Other than that, you saying I'm on the defensive doesn't make it so.

The production company isn't going to acknowledge anything and they don't need to "do better" in any future show. That's your fantasy. In fact, from what I've read, they are handling this from the opposite direction, which I'm happy to see. They have chosen not to be swayed by complaints from the sensitive fee-fees crowd. Bravo to them.

You can't answer questions I asked, so you're going home. Great. See ya.

Well, apparently you're too simple minded to grasp the concept of giving someone or something a name with tongue-in-cheek. I never said the dude is a vampire, I implied that he LOOKS like one. Jesus. And yeah, yeah, you're much more intelligent than me and I can't grasp your deep analysis of what's going on...whatever. Don't be bothered. See ya.

I agree with you on that, I just think their relationship is poorly written and explained. I GET that there's nothing to hang onto, not arguing with you about that. You and I simply disagree on how that aspect of the story is represented. And that's fine, we can disagree.

Not clear what section you're deleting, but go for it. Yeah, that's right, it's always the one arguing against the consorious SJWs who are in the wrong, right? :D

You're projecting wildly at this point. I can feel the spittle flying from here. Yes, you keep referring to "South Asians," "Sikhs," "Indians," whatever as if each group consists of millions of people who all think and believe and react in exactly the same way. What's funny but sad is that you don't even see yourself doing it. News flash: There are 1.3 billion Indians. They are NOT a monolithic group of humans who are all exactly alike. Why is that hard to understand?

I certainly never claimed to represent ANY group except for free-thinking, open-minded audience members, whatever their race/ethnicity/national origin who just want to enjoy a fucking BL without busy-bodies like you trying to change what they're able to see while accusing them of all kinds of SJW thought-crimes. Patronizing others is YOUR thing.

Most of your comment above is bat-shit crazy, unrelated to what I wrote, flailing nonsense, so I'll just leave it at that for others to evaluate as it is. See a shrink.

You're going to stop watching FUTS aren't you? It's the only right thing to do.

Really? Seriously? You are now condescendingly, and insultingly, putting all South Asians in one basket and pretending they all think and believe exactly the same things? And that none of them have a sense of humor...like you? lol You are a satirical stereotype of an SJW, running in circles now, biting yourself in the ass. Insulting and infantilizing the very folks you claim to be defending. No one needs your help defending their fee-fees. This is about YOU and your arrogance and paternalism and making a show of it. Why can't you just admit it and write "I don't like that scene because it offends me and my delicate vision of what the world is?" Quit trying to represent other people...they don't need your help and it just makes you look stupid.

"white privilege..." LOL what's next? "problematic?" haha Gosh...what if I were...oh, I don't know...HISPANIC or something? Wouldn't that be just wild? You really do believe people's thinking is determined by their skin color and/or ethnicity, don't you? Wow, that would make you a...bigot. hmmm...THAT'S interesting.

You'll stop watching the show though...right?

Blah, blah, blah... yes, censorious Puritanical SJWs hit a nerve with me. That's pretty self-evident. You're a genius. "Called it what it is..." lol Yes, you define what is what for everyone, don't you? Who said I don't care about this, I care a lot, which why I keep refuting your bullshit. Who is this Sikh person I attacked? Oh, you mean the censorious, Puritannical, SJW Sikhs? Yes, I attacked them too. Kind of makes sense because ALL people with your instincts to control and censor and restrict free expression need to be attacked at every turn.

Don't be embarrassed on my behalf, you've got your hands full with your own self-shaming silliness. I don't think there's such a word, at least not in English, as "confuting," but maybe I'm wrong.

It's not that you don't LIKE a certain type of humor, it's that you think you dislike it for MORAL AND VIRTUOUS reasons when you're really just stimulating your secret, moist SJW parts.

You forgot to answer...you're going to stop watching this show, right?

You really have ZERO idea of how paternalistic and condescending your position is, do you? You are not Sikh and you are not Indian or South Asian, but you're crying out to defend their tender feelings because...what? The few of them who will even even be aware of this show are incapable of venting their outrage on their own behalf so you have to do it for them? What is your race, ethnicity, national origin? Are you in the grip of some kind of White/Colonial guilt thing?

It's clear from the last part of your comment above that you're not even certain what it is you are pretending to be worked up about. "South Asians' (which I'm assuming is the cultures they were making a joke of)..."lol...omg. You are a caricature of an SJW. You've gone on and on about cultural appropriation but you're not sure who's culture you're spewing pieties in defense of.

You are emphatically correct about at least one thing, as you wrote above: What you think doesn't really matter.

Is it your position that EVERY Sikh Indian everywhere, or the tiny percentage of them who have seen this scene, find it offensive? How do you know? Have you taken a survey? Or is this just about what YOU feel personally? Are you suggesting the show should censor out that scene from future airings and the one that's already up on the Internet? Because of what YOU feel? Jut forget about it and go watch something that doesn't make you squeal.

Then piss off, oh sensitive, delicate flower. And enjoy your outrage as often as you can find things to be outraged about makes no difference to me. Those dumb kids in their ridiculous Sikh garb were hilarious to anyone without a broomstick up their ass the size of the one you've got.

"Me wearing the sacred religious one while not being a high priestess of that culture would be probably be seen as offensive, disrespectful, and not okay by the people of that culture and that response is perfectly valid."

"Would probably be seen..." By whom? When? By ALL of them? At all times? Should art censor itself at every outcry of every tiny percentage of a population who probably don't even know about the thing they were supposed to be outraged about? Oh...it's YOU, YOU being outraged on their behalf, even though 99.9% of Indian Sikhs and Indians in general will never hear of this scene or this show, is that it? Because of your moral outrage or sensitivity or something?

From what I've read, many of the few Indians who HAVE seen this show think the scene was hilarious. Who speaks for THEM? Not you, certainly. What about the Indian Sikhs who actually have a sense of humor and perspective that you lack? Do they just have to fuck off?

Your SJW outrage/offended/sensitivity schtick has been outdated for about ten years already. It's been done a million times. Satire, slapstick, ethnic humor, comedy and sight gags are as old as humankind. Think about catching up.

BTW, are you going to stop watching this show and all others made by this production company? I feel that you should, if only to give your innately-programmed outrage antennae some rest. It must be exhausting working the PC first-alarm brigade all the time. Take some time off and watch the Disney Channel. HOWEVER, if you watch even a little bit closely, you will find LOTS to be outraged about there too.

All this energy expended over a ten-minute scene in a multiple-episode series. What a joke you are. But not quite as funny as the Sikh headgear and fake beards.